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Blig Merk

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:29 pm
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This post is to school you psycho-schizo xflop fanbitch idiot zombies.
On one hand, you whine "DUH GHEYMZ, DUH GHEYMZ!!!" when Blu-ray is the
subject, then on the other hand you counter with some limp wrist "DUH
HD-DUD IZ DUH DATAZ ANDZ DUH SONYZ DUZN'T PWNZ DUH BLUR-RAYZ!!!". It
has always struck me how incredibly dense, stupid and ignorant the
xflop fanbitches can be.

Look, I am putting this on a separate line so even you illiterate
retards can get it: BLU-RAY IS *NOT* JUST A MOVIE FORMAT. IT IS A
GENERAL INEXPENSIVE PORTABLE HIGH DENSITY DATA FORMAT, MEANING GAMES,
MOVIES AND DATA.

Blu-ray drives are going to follow the same path as DVD. Here is the
progression, dumbed down so even you idiots should be able to
understand it. First, just like DVD, there will be fairly expensive BD-
ROM drives included with higher end PC's. Then, the BD-ROM drives will
drop rapidly in price. After that, higher end PC's will have fairly
expensive BD+R/RE drives included. From there, the price of BD+R/RE
drives will drop rapidly until, after awhile, inexpensive BD+R/RE will
be standard drives for almost every PC. This is the exact same
progression that happened for DVD and took about 5 years. About 3
years in, PC games started showing up on DVD until now, they are all
on DVD. The same is going to happen with Blu-ray. So, it is about DUH
GHEYMZ, you idiots.

And guess who owns the Blue-Violet Laser Diode and the Blu-ray
technology? Sure, Samsung and Sharp are now manufacturing Blue-Violet
Laser Diodes -- but only after licensing the technology from Sony and
Nichia. Some people remember when only Sony and Nichia manufactured
blue-violet laser diodes and it wasn't that long ago. Blu-ray becoming
the standard read/write portable high data density medium and drive
for PC's means tons of cash coming for Sony and Nichia. xflop
fanbitches am cry.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press_Archive/200404/04-0422E/

April 22, 2004

Cross License Agreement of Blue-Violet Laser Diode
related Patents for Optical Disc

Nichia Corporation (hereafter "Nichia") and Sony Corporation
(hereafter "Sony") have come to an agreement on the cross license of
Blue-Violet Laser Diode (hereafter Blue-Violet LD) related patents for
optical disc use.

In December 2002, Nichia and Sony have agreed to collaborate on the
development of Blue-Violet LD as well as building-up an environment to
share the usage of the related technologies which the 2 companies
possess, to accelerate the growing demand of Blue-Violet LD. Nichia
and Sony have also worked in collaboration on the Blue-Violet LD
development for optical disc recording/play-back use.
The cross license agreement will further strengthen the
collaboration and will enable usage of all related patents on Blue-
Violet LD, with no time limit, in the field of the optical disc
recording/playback usage. Collectively, there are approximately 800
patent applications in total filed by both companies.

Blue-Violet LD is a 405nm wavelength semiconductor laser which will
be vital for Blu-ray disc system, enabling digital recording of high-
definition (HD) contents (movies) in consumer use and professional
disc system XDCAM. It is the key device in the HD era, in various
occasions where high quality images/movies are the key in HD contents
creation in Digital HD broadcasting and recording/play-back in
consumer use.

Through the cross-license, in addition to Nichia, which is most
advanced on a world-wide basis as the Blue-Violet LD supplier, Sony
will also mass-produce and be the supplier of Blue-Violet LD, leading
to building-up a stable environment of the supply of Blue-Violet LD
for optical disc use, required for Blu-ray disc system market which is
expected increase significantly.
The convergence of technologies of both companies lead to achieving
cost-down by improving production efficiency and further enhancing the
production design/manufacturing of higher-performance/high-level-
output Blue-Violet LD.
Results of the join developments so far have already been
implemented in mass production by both companies, and mass production
shipment by Nichia and partial shipment of evaluation samples to other
companies by Sony are under process.

Both companies have agreed to continue to collaborate in technology
development, leading to enhanced performance of Blue-Violet LD and
contribution in the development of Blu-ray disc and XDCAM market.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:07 am
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:29:19 -0800 (PST), Blig Merk
<blig_murk RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>This post is to school you psycho-schizo xflop fanbitch idiot zombies.
>On one hand, you whine "DUH GHEYMZ, DUH GHEYMZ!!!" when Blu-ray is the
>subject, then on the other hand you counter with some limp wrist "DUH
>HD-DUD IZ DUH DATAZ ANDZ DUH SONYZ DUZN'T PWNZ DUH BLUR-RAYZ!!!". It
>has always struck me how incredibly dense, stupid and ignorant the
>xflop fanbitches can be.
>
>Look, I am putting this on a separate line so even you illiterate
>retards can get it: BLU-RAY IS *NOT* JUST A MOVIE FORMAT. IT IS A
>GENERAL INEXPENSIVE PORTABLE HIGH DENSITY DATA FORMAT, MEANING GAMES,
>MOVIES AND DATA.
>
>Blu-ray drives are going to follow the same path as DVD. Here is the
>progression, dumbed down so even you idiots should be able to
>understand it. First, just like DVD, there will be fairly expensive BD-
>ROM drives included with higher end PC's. Then, the BD-ROM drives will
>drop rapidly in price. After that, higher end PC's will have fairly
>expensive BD+R/RE drives included. From there, the price of BD+R/RE
>drives will drop rapidly until, after awhile, inexpensive BD+R/RE will
>be standard drives for almost every PC. This is the exact same
>progression that happened for DVD and took about 5 years. About 3
>years in, PC games started showing up on DVD until now, they are all
>on DVD. The same is going to happen with Blu-ray. So, it is about DUH
>GHEYMZ, you idiots.
>


May be not as the DVD license holder was not Sony and Sony is very
greedy. Don't look for everyone to start manufacturing BD-ROM drives
right away.





>And guess who owns the Blue-Violet Laser Diode and the Blu-ray
>technology? Sure, Samsung and Sharp are now manufacturing Blue-Violet
>Laser Diodes -- but only after licensing the technology from Sony and
>Nichia. Some people remember when only Sony and Nichia manufactured
>blue-violet laser diodes and it wasn't that long ago. Blu-ray becoming
>the standard read/write portable high data density medium and drive
>for PC's means tons of cash coming for Sony and Nichia. xflop
>fanbitches am cry.
>

You made my point "...but only after licensing the technology from
Sony and Nichia"
There will be other options for High Capacity Storage.


>http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press_Archive/200404/04-0422E/
>
>April 22, 2004
>
>Cross License Agreement of Blue-Violet Laser Diode
>related Patents for Optical Disc
>
> Nichia Corporation (hereafter "Nichia") and Sony Corporation
>(hereafter "Sony") have come to an agreement on the cross license of
>Blue-Violet Laser Diode (hereafter Blue-Violet LD) related patents for
>optical disc use.
>
> In December 2002, Nichia and Sony have agreed to collaborate on the
>development of Blue-Violet LD as well as building-up an environment to
>share the usage of the related technologies which the 2 companies
>possess, to accelerate the growing demand of Blue-Violet LD. Nichia
>and Sony have also worked in collaboration on the Blue-Violet LD
>development for optical disc recording/play-back use.
> The cross license agreement will further strengthen the
>collaboration and will enable usage of all related patents on Blue-
>Violet LD, with no time limit, in the field of the optical disc
>recording/playback usage. Collectively, there are approximately 800
>patent applications in total filed by both companies.
>
> Blue-Violet LD is a 405nm wavelength semiconductor laser which will
>be vital for Blu-ray disc system, enabling digital recording of high-
>definition (HD) contents (movies) in consumer use and professional
>disc system XDCAM. It is the key device in the HD era, in various
>occasions where high quality images/movies are the key in HD contents
>creation in Digital HD broadcasting and recording/play-back in
>consumer use.
>
> Through the cross-license, in addition to Nichia, which is most
>advanced on a world-wide basis as the Blue-Violet LD supplier, Sony
>will also mass-produce and be the supplier of Blue-Violet LD, leading
>to building-up a stable environment of the supply of Blue-Violet LD
>for optical disc use, required for Blu-ray disc system market which is
>expected increase significantly.
> The convergence of technologies of both companies lead to achieving
>cost-down by improving production efficiency and further enhancing the
>production design/manufacturing of higher-performance/high-level-
>output Blue-Violet LD.
> Results of the join developments so far have already been
>implemented in mass production by both companies, and mass production
>shipment by Nichia and partial shipment of evaluation samples to other
>companies by Sony are under process.
>
> Both companies have agreed to continue to collaborate in technology
>development, leading to enhanced performance of Blue-Violet LD and
>contribution in the development of Blu-ray disc and XDCAM market.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:14 pm
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On Feb 19, 8:29 pm, Blig Merk <blig_m... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Look, I am putting this on a separate line so even you illiterate
> retards can get it: BLU-RAY IS *NOT* JUST A MOVIE FORMAT. IT IS A
> GENERAL INEXPENSIVE PORTABLE HIGH DENSITY DATA FORMAT, MEANING GAMES,
> MOVIES AND DATA.

I'm putting this on a seperate line as well:
THE XBOX 360 AND PS3 ARE NOT PRIMARILY MOVIE PLAYERS OR DATA STORAGE
DEVICES. THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE GAME CONSOLES. THEY DO NOT REQUIRE
HIGH CAPACITY DISKS TO FUNCTION. GAMES WORK FINE ON DVD. ALSO, BLU-
RAY IS NOT "INEXPENSIVE". ITS COST WAS AND STILL IS A MAJOR REASON
THE PS3 IS SOLD AT SUCH A LOSS THUS NECESSITATING A HIGH GAME
ATTACHMENT RATE FOR SONY TO MAKE A PROFIT BUT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING
YET.

>Blu-ray becoming the standard read/write portable high data density medium and drive for PC's means tons of cash coming for Sony

Let's hope it's at least $700 million (plus interest).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:01 pm
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On Feb 20, 2:36 pm, "Calab" <mys... DeleteThis @csd.ca> wrote:
>
> Except that the PS3 was never designed to be just a game console. Sony
> themselves say that the PS3 was designed to be a media hub.

They said that primarily to justify the high price. The fact is the
PS3 cannot be a profitable product for Sony until it becomes more of a
game console and less as a movie player.

>
> Except for games that have more than 8 gig of content.

The 8 gig limitation hasn't been a problem for the 360 thus far and
isn't likely to be a major problem during the life of the 360. Plus
it's not going to be a showstopper if a few games have to ship on
multiple DVD's.

> Maybe in your world, but Sony is laughing all the way to the bank now that
> HDDVD is dead.

Again, what does HD-DVD dying have to do with the PS3 as a successful
and PROFITABLE game playing device?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:15 pm
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On Feb 20, 3:08 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan... RemoveThis @nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Sony doesn't ask WHY you buy a PS3...
>

Well maybe they should. If a person has only the intention of
watching movies Sony would much rather them go buy a stand-alone Sony
Blu-ray player instead of a PS3.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:22 pm
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On Feb 20, 3:17 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan....TakeThisOut@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
> If you buy an S300 that doesn't work, or if you buy a PS3 that does, for
> movie-watching only, and play a Sony disk on either one, why should that
> trouble their sleep any?
>

Because Sony loses more money on selling you a $400 PS3 as a movie
player than selling you the $400 S300.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:27 pm
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On Feb 20, 12:05 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac... RemoveThis @shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> So...you want us to applaud you for picking the right format?  
> Gee, you only had a 50-50 chance of getting THAT one right.
>
> --
> It's not broken.  It's...advanced.

Hmm. So I guess that would make someone an idiot for NOT getting that
one right if it was that simple.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:00 pm
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On Feb 20, 4:33 pm, "Tom" <no... RemoveThis @nothere.com> wrote:

>  But they are buying games for it Doug. If you go back just 5 months ago,
> the PS3 had only 2 games sell a million+ to that date and no other games
> over 500K. Now fast forward to now, and you have 8 game that sold a million+
> and a total of 20 games over 500K. How is this not selling games, even if
> they are cross-platform, the PS3 versions are still selling which is MAKING
> Sony money. Worldwide, the PS3 has been on par with the 360 in selling
> games, this with the fact that the 360 has a 7mil+ install base over the
> PS2. If the PS3 had the same sales totals in consoles, you wouldn't want to
> see the disparity. So tell everyone how Sony isn't selling games.

The attachment rate for the 360 is almost 4 games more than the PS3 (5
vs 8.Cool. I would assume early adopters of a console usually are avid
game buyers so the fact the PS3 has a fairly solid attachment rate
during its first year isn't that surprising. It could go down though
if a lot of people suddenly buy it mainly for a blu-ray player now
that blu-ray has won.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:29 pm
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"Tomcat" <tom_overton_1968.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 20, 3:17 pm, Derek Janssen <ejan....TakeThisOut@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
> If you buy an S300 that doesn't work, or if you buy a PS3 that does, for
> movie-watching only, and play a Sony disk on either one, why should that
> trouble their sleep any?
>

Because Sony loses more money on selling you a $400 PS3 as a movie
player than selling you the $400 S300.

===============================================

But, Sony (as well as MS) make their money on peripheral hardware and
software sales, so if they sell more PS3s, they also are going to sell both
movies and games. From a marketing standpoint, they cannot lose on this
scenario.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:05 pm
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So...you want us to applaud you for picking the right format?
Gee, you only had a 50-50 chance of getting THAT one right.

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It's not broken. It's...advanced.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:50 pm
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On Feb 20, 6:00 pm, Tomcat <tom_overton_1....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 20, 4:33 pm, "Tom" <no....DeleteThis@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > But they are buying games for it Doug. If you go back just 5 months ago,
> > the PS3 had only 2 games sell a million+ to that date and no other games
> > over 500K. Now fast forward to now, and you have 8 game that sold a million+
> > and a total of 20 games over 500K. How is this not selling games, even if
> > they are cross-platform, the PS3 versions are still selling which is MAKING
> > Sony money. Worldwide, the PS3 has been on par with the 360 in selling
> > games, this with the fact that the 360 has a 7mil+ install base over the
> > PS2. If the PS3 had the same sales totals in consoles, you wouldn't want to
> > see the disparity. So tell everyone how Sony isn't selling games.
>
> The attachment rate for the 360 is almost 4 games more than the PS3 (5
> vs 8.Cool. I would assume early adopters of a console usually are avid
> game buyers so the fact the PS3 has a fairly solid attachment rate
> during its first year isn't that surprising. It could go down though
> if a lot of people suddenly buy it mainly for a blu-ray player now
> that blu-ray has won.

Actually, the attachment rate as of now is 11.7% for the 360 and 7.2%
for the PS3, but consider that the 360 has almost 4 times the library,
so there are going to be more games sold. The rate is changing in
favor of the PS3 as time goes by when ti gets games for the system,
regardless if they are exclusives or cross-platforms.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:04 pm
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On Feb 20, 7:23 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac....TakeThisOut@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.video.dvd Tom <no....TakeThisOut@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > But, Sony (as well as MS) make their money on peripheral hardware and
> > software sales, so if they sell more PS3s, they also are going to sell both
> > movies and games. From a marketing standpoint, they cannot lose on this
> > scenario.
>
> That's only partially correct. Sony makes more money via
> licensing/royalties per game than they do per movie. I believe the
> amounts are about $20 for a $60 game, compared to $2 for a $25 movie.
> There's also the problem that "Sony" isn't a single entity. The money
> made by selling blu-ray movies doesn't go to the same department that's
> responsible for the PS3 and PS3 games.
>
> In the begining of its lifecycle, the PS3 was being sold for a net loss to
> Sony of about $200. That meant that to break even on those sales, each
> consumer would have to buy about 10 PS3 games..or 100 blu-ray movies.
> While advancements in manufacturing and whatnot have brought costs down,
> Sony is - at best - breaking even on each PS3 console sold. This doesn't
> mean that Sony needs only 1 sale of a blu-ray movie in order to declare a
> profit, however. During the development and construction of the PS3, Sony
> incurred a huge amount of debt which - so far - Sony's Computer
> Entertainment division (responsible for the PS3 and games) has not managed
> to start paying off.
>
> Sure, sales of blu-ray movies to PS3 owners who never play PS3 games could
> still manage to make the PS3 profitable, but it's going to take A LOT of
> blu-ray movies to do that.
>
> One final point. While this group may not care about the PS3 as a gaming
> machine, the game publishers DO. There continues to be many worries about
> the PS3 being able to attract enough sales to make releasing games for the
> PS3 financially viable for the publishers. If the PS3 goes down in
> history as being a great movie player, but has poor game sales, when Sony
> comes out with the PS4, publishers may decide not to risk it, and simply
> go with other gaming platforms. Obviously a game console with no games
> isn't going to sell very well... The last time that happened, it was with
> the Sega Dreamcast, which ended up being their last console. Sony may
> have won the video market with blu-ray, but they may end up losing the
> game market - maybe permanently.
>
> --
> It's not broken. It's...advanced.

You keep missing ther fact (I pointed this out in another post in thsi
thread earlier to you) that PS3 software is selling hotter now than is
the 360, so your point that it need to sell software (games) is a moot
point. You make it sound as if the PS3 isn't selling any games or will
at all. It seems that you ignore the numbers which can easily be
checked out, or you have ulterior reasons for your thinking.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:17 pm
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Tom <noway.TakeThisOut@nothere.com> wrote:
> Actually, there's two, Blue Dragon (I think 3 discs) and Lost Odyssey (4
> discs), both are exclusives.

Doug Jacobs <djacobs.TakeThisOut@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
....
>(and the fact that both are exclusive to the 360, when the Playstation 1 &
>2 totally dominated in the JRPG genre is rather baffling...)

Given that both games were published by Microsoft, I don't see why you
would be suprised.

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:36 pm
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> THE XBOX 360 AND PS3 ARE NOT PRIMARILY MOVIE PLAYERS OR DATA
> STORAGE DEVICES. THEY WERE INTENDED TO BE GAME CONSOLES.

Except that the PS3 was never designed to be just a game console. Sony
themselves say that the PS3 was designed to be a media hub.

> THEY DO NOT REQUIRE HIGH CAPACITY DISKS TO FUNCTION. GAMES
> WORK FINE ON DVD.

Except for games that have more than 8 gig of content.

> ALSO, BLU-RAY IS NOT "INEXPENSIVE". ITS COST
> WAS AND STILL IS A MAJOR REASON THE PS3 IS SOLD AT SUCH A LOSS
> THUS NECESSITATING A HIGH GAME ATTACHMENT RATE FOR SONY TO
> MAKE A PROFIT BUT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING YET.

Maybe in your world, but Sony is laughing all the way to the bank now that
HDDVD is dead.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:08 pm
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Tomcat wrote:
> On Feb 20, 2:36 pm, "Calab" <mys... DeleteThis @csd.ca> wrote:
>
>>Except that the PS3 was never designed to be just a game console. Sony
>>themselves say that the PS3 was designed to be a media hub.
>
> Again, what does HD-DVD dying have to do with the PS3 as a successful
> and PROFITABLE game playing device?

Sony doesn't ask WHY you buy a PS3...

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