Did the Solorian growth change?

> > - Conversion VGAP growth into percent: 2.2704 * 5 = 11,35%
> I don't know right now.... might be even higher. I have to check the
> formulas.
AFAIK a VGAP growth of 120 is a 6% (divide by 100 and multiply by 5)
growth, that is how I got the * 5 as the 2.2704 would already be
divided by 100.

> Stupid question: Do you have 750 food in your base?
Thanks, that is actually a very good question! I add
- Food in the base : > 1000
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> And where did you find a 100 star heat star ?
I didn't. It was a Green Binary right from the start with a climate of
98, which my colonists brought up to 100 in a few turns.

Actually I see a Blue Giant with a heat of 99, too.
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Sparrow,

Solarians can not change the starheat, their colonist raise the temp of
the planet with allow them to build farm, you probably mistaken the
temp for the starheat in your growth calculation above.

BINARY GREEN 66-86
RED GIANT 70-90
BLUE GIANT 74-94

BINARY GREEN (the one you start with, and that is re-rolled) Have a max
starheat of 86.

From
http://shove-it.de/open/jochen/wiki/index.php/Category:The_Solorian_Unity

P.S.
Your probably too use to the Xtal.

Lord Lancelot
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On all map I have seen so far, the max star heat possible is 94.
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> you probably mistaken the temp for the starheat in your growth calculation above.
OMG you are right!

> Your probably too use to the Xtal.
First time I play the Sols - and I payed the Xtals in my last game. ;-O

Thanks a lot!
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> So your star heat is probably 70
Now that I understand where to look at, the star heat is indeed only
69!

> Well.... that's why you own some base chunnelers right from the start
And I used them to move from a heat 83 planet to a 69er. ;-O

That is a lesson learned.
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> Please tell me if you discover mayor differences.
I will relocate my HW asap and will compare growth with the result
calculated by shipcalc.
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Sparrow wrote:
> > Please tell me if you discover mayor differences.
> I will relocate my HW asap and will compare growth with the result
> calculated by shipcalc.

Don't forget turn 1-2-3-4

DONT chunnel your base to a good starheat planet, wait at turn 5+

drop as many 10 001 colonist on all poor starheat planets near you, to
change them to good one.

>From wiki
http://shove-it.de/open/jochen/wiki/index.php/Category:The_Solorian_Un...#Star_T
In the first 5 turns any planet with more than 10.000 solorians will
change it's star type to 'Green Binary' and roll it's star heat between
66 and 86 EVEN if it was already a 'Green Binary'.
So, 'in game', if you are in a 'green binary' you will see it's star
heat changing up and down, because the host is re-changing the star
type and re-rolling it's star heat.

The heat of the starting Green Binary drops as soon as your base has
left. It is still a green binary, but a poor one. If you stay the heat
will increase towards the max a Green Binary can have. So the choice is
to either have a few Green Binarys at the lower end or one at the high
end.

I can also confirm this, I'm curently playing the Solarians, and all
the above is true.

Lord Lancelot
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> - Growth rate: [0,20 + (Star-Heat/30)]*0,5 = 1.76 on a heat 100 planet

correct

> - Happiness 300 factor: 1.5
> - Training Ceneter factor: 1.0 (none active)
> - City factor: 1 - (7 * 0.02) = 0.86
> - Calculated VGAP growth rate: 1.76 * 1.5 * 1 * 0.86 = 2.2704
> - Conversion VGAP growth into percent: 2.2704 * 5 = 11,35%

I don't know right now.... might be even higher. I have to check the
formulas.

Stupid question: Do you have 750 food in your base?

Andreas
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> Solarians can not change the starheat, their colonist raise the temp of
> the planet with allow them to build farm, you probably mistaken the
> temp for the starheat in your growth calculation above.


Yes that's it!

Sparrow, you have to look at "heat received from star" of course...

If your homebase is on a Green Binary, which has a range from 66-86, you
get the following grow rates (values from shipcalc):
at 66: 4,6% (happy 30-99)
at 86: 9,6% (happy 30-99)

You calculated a grow rate of 7,5 for your homeworld.
So your star heat is probably 70 and your grow rate would more likely
be 7,1. (because at 71 heat you get 12% grow rate with happy >99 )

Correct ?

Well.... that's why you own some base chunnelers right from the start

Andreas
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Lord Lancelot wrote:
> The heat of the starting Green Binary drops as soon as your base has
> left. It is still a green binary, but a poor one. If you stay the heat
> will increase towards the max a Green Binary can have. So the choice is
> to either have a few Green Binarys at the lower end or one at the high
> end.
>
> I can also confirm this, I'm curently playing the Solarians, and all
> the above is true.


This particular section about it always getting better is not true. It
is just plain random every single time. There is currently nothing
that will force the star heat to get any better.

Magik
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> > Well.... that's why you own some base chunnelers right from the start
> And I used them to move from a heat 83 planet to a 69er. ;-O


Ok, so far so good.

Thinking back to your grow calculations this morning....

A planet with heat 83, 1 Mio colos, no TC, should give you a grow rate
of 13,6% (happy >99) and 140.000 new colos. This is what shipcalc says.
( Hm... should be 136.000 new colos.... looks like another rounding bug
in shipcalc)

Please tell me if you discover mayor differences.

Andreas
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>
>
> This particular section about it always getting better is not true. It
> is just plain random every single time. There is currently nothing
> that will force the star heat to get any better.
>

Green Binary T1 78
T2 67
T3 81
T4 67
T5 67 (No solarian base there)

I left via ground base chunnel at turn 3

The above was the Starheat of my HW planet.

Magik is probable right, it seem random, unlesss the starheat start
only to improve / go down at turn 3, witch could explain the sudden
drop at T4.

But this his only a theory from my part.

Lord Lancelot
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