Socketing Question

I'd really like to get some IAS...my socketed aldurs mace with 2 sheals
in it is really fun, 90%IAS, but has no CB. But then again, maybe with
CB from Guillaume's face, I could go back from black to the alders???

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Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
> In article <1141936552.991871.305570 DeleteThis @i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> Scott <harleedavidson DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Most of it is answered by Mickey, so I'll keep that part short...
>
> >I have a Blackhorn's face helm for my Pally, socketed by Larz. I was
> >dissapointed with only 1 socket.
> >
> >1. Can I have him add another socket to this helm in another socketing
> >quest? (If not, oh well.)
>
> No.
>
> >2. What is the best rune/jewel/gem to place in the socket?
>
> No idea, I don't bother with Blackhorn's Face on any build. It is useful
> if your prime objective is to stay alive around heavy lightning damage
> (Gloams, LI enchanted Council members, etc)
>
> >I am tweaking my Uber battle gear and want either IAS, or ED if
> >possible, for better smite speed or effectiveness.
> >
> >Current gear:
> >Hat: Blackhorn's face
>
> Um-ed Guillaume's Face.
>
> >Armor: Duress Runeword in Loricated Mail
> >Weapon: Black Runeword in Hammer
>
> Good. But for speed you'd perhaps like to put Black in something like a
> Flail, Knout or even Scourge. Hammer's aren't the fastest weapons around.
>
> >Sheild: Hoz, 1 open socket
>
> Don't have one, but valid option. A 4 PDiamonded elite Pally shield also
> works very nice. I do hope you upgraded the HoZ to an elite shield?
>
> >Weapon2: Wand w/ Life Tap charges
>
> Good choice.
>
> >Sheild2: Rare Pally Shield w/ 2 perf diamonds (+75 resist)
>
> Yeah, something with a lot of res, so I put my previous 4 PDiamonded elite
> Sacred Targe there, after I switched to a 4 PDiamonded Zakarum Shield...
>
> >Gloves: Dracs
> >Boots: Goblin Toe
>
> Good.
>
> >Rings: Manhald
>
> Errr? I'd put at least 1 Raven Frost there. Other ring is more a free
> choice, but don't underestimate the protecting-factor of a Dwarf Star. I
> would NOT bother with Manald Heals.
>
> >Ammy: Metalgrid
>
> Hmmm. Not sure that's the best, but I've never had one. My Smiter uses a
> normal magic amulet with +1 pally skills and a load (9x) of life.
>
> >BTW: What is the best rune/jewel/gem to place in the Hoz socket?
>
> PDiamond, or Um if you're rich.
>
> As for your other post, don't bother with Aldur's Weapon. A fast Black
> weapon works much much better and has CB. Or try to acquire a Heaven's
> Light: 2 open sockets for 2 Shaels, Crushing Blow and a Pally skill boost.
> This will get you to maxed Smite speed.
>
> Hope this helps.
>

Well, I wouldn't use that runeword either, I'd use either Heaven's
Light or a PB phase blade, and the build is going to have some
resiteance issues as is. I'd look for Mara's ammy and the second ring
would be one with fat resists and some life.

Mickey
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In article <1141936552.991871.305570.RemoveThis@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <harleedavidson.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

Most of it is answered by Mickey, so I'll keep that part short...

>I have a Blackhorn's face helm for my Pally, socketed by Larz. I was
>dissapointed with only 1 socket.
>
>1. Can I have him add another socket to this helm in another socketing
>quest? (If not, oh well.)

No.

>2. What is the best rune/jewel/gem to place in the socket?

No idea, I don't bother with Blackhorn's Face on any build. It is useful
if your prime objective is to stay alive around heavy lightning damage
(Gloams, LI enchanted Council members, etc)

>I am tweaking my Uber battle gear and want either IAS, or ED if
>possible, for better smite speed or effectiveness.
>
>Current gear:
>Hat: Blackhorn's face

Um-ed Guillaume's Face.

>Armor: Duress Runeword in Loricated Mail
>Weapon: Black Runeword in Hammer

Good. But for speed you'd perhaps like to put Black in something like a
Flail, Knout or even Scourge. Hammer's aren't the fastest weapons around.

>Sheild: Hoz, 1 open socket

Don't have one, but valid option. A 4 PDiamonded elite Pally shield also
works very nice. I do hope you upgraded the HoZ to an elite shield?

>Weapon2: Wand w/ Life Tap charges

Good choice.

>Sheild2: Rare Pally Shield w/ 2 perf diamonds (+75 resist)

Yeah, something with a lot of res, so I put my previous 4 PDiamonded elite
Sacred Targe there, after I switched to a 4 PDiamonded Zakarum Shield...

>Gloves: Dracs
>Boots: Goblin Toe

Good.

>Rings: Manhald

Errr? I'd put at least 1 Raven Frost there. Other ring is more a free
choice, but don't underestimate the protecting-factor of a Dwarf Star. I
would NOT bother with Manald Heals.

>Ammy: Metalgrid

Hmmm. Not sure that's the best, but I've never had one. My Smiter uses a
normal magic amulet with +1 pally skills and a load (9x) of life.

>BTW: What is the best rune/jewel/gem to place in the Hoz socket?

PDiamond, or Um if you're rich.

As for your other post, don't bother with Aldur's Weapon. A fast Black
weapon works much much better and has CB. Or try to acquire a Heaven's
Light: 2 open sockets for 2 Shaels, Crushing Blow and a Pally skill boost.
This will get you to maxed Smite speed.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Patrick.
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In article <1141945577.201659.162930.RemoveThis@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
Mickey <mickeyb.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Patrick Vervoorn wrote:

>> As for your other post, don't bother with Aldur's Weapon. A fast Black
>> weapon works much much better and has CB. Or try to acquire a Heaven's
>> Light: 2 open sockets for 2 Shaels, Crushing Blow and a Pally skill boost.
>> This will get you to maxed Smite speed.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>
>Well, I wouldn't use that runeword either, I'd use either Heaven's
>Light or a PB phase blade, and the build is going to have some

PB = ? Or did you perhaps enter the abbreviation for a Phase Blade where
you wanted to mention a runeword?

>resiteance issues as is. I'd look for Mara's ammy and the second ring
>would be one with fat resists and some life.

My trick for that extra boost to resists is to keep a Treachery armor in
the stash. Just enter Act 1 or Act 3 (any place with lots of weak
monsters) wearing Treachery, and wait for the Fade on that to trigger.
Then go back in Duress, and into UT and blow Mephi away.

My 4 PDiamonded Kurast Shield has 115 res all, so with Uber-Mephi gone, I
have no resist issues anymore. An Umed or PDiamonded HoZ will have less
res-all, but perhaps the skill boost on it compensates for that, and you
can perhaps get your resists from somewhere else.

Regards,

Patrick.
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Scott wrote:
> I'd really like to get some IAS...my socketed aldurs mace with 2 sheals
> in it is really fun, 90%IAS, but has no CB. But then again, maybe with
> CB from Guillaume's face, I could go back from black to the alders???
>

I made Black in a flail before I went to UT. I never ended up using it
because before I visited IT, I traded a Mal that I found for Um +
Heaven's Light. I agree with the others and can confirm that Heaven's
Light with 2 x Shael is a very nice Smiting Weapon. It has 33% Crushing
Blow, and with lvl 20 Fanatacism active, it reaches the final
breakpoint for smite (and Zeal I believe). The Ubers go down in no time
as long as you have your resists covered and loads of life and Crushing
Blow. Guillame's Face and Goblin Toe boots are my other sources of CB.
I see you've got a HoZ and a few other things more expensive, so I
assume Heaven's Light may not be out of your reach. There are better
weapons around though, but I'm not very familiar with them because I
can't afford them/haven't found them.
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Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
> In article <1141945577.201659.162930 DeleteThis @p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
> Mickey <mickeyb DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
>
>>> As for your other post, don't bother with Aldur's Weapon. A fast
>>> Black weapon works much much better and has CB. Or try to acquire a
>>> Heaven's Light: 2 open sockets for 2 Shaels, Crushing Blow and a
>>> Pally skill boost. This will get you to maxed Smite speed.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Well, I wouldn't use that runeword either, I'd use either Heaven's
>> Light or a PB phase blade, and the build is going to have some
>
> PB = ? Or did you perhaps enter the abbreviation for a Phase Blade
> where you wanted to mention a runeword?

Methinks Mickey wrote PB as that's what he calls Phase Blades, then
re-thought it and wrote phase blade in case people didn't get the "PB" and
forgot to remove it.

>> resiteance issues as is. I'd look for Mara's ammy and the second ring
>> would be one with fat resists and some life.
>
> My trick for that extra boost to resists is to keep a Treachery armor
> in the stash. Just enter Act 1 or Act 3 (any place with lots of weak
> monsters) wearing Treachery, and wait for the Fade on that to trigger.
> Then go back in Duress, and into UT and blow Mephi away.

I don't get the comments on resists. An Um'ed or P-Diamonded HoZ gives lots
and a Metalgrid is up to 35% res all. I don't remember the rest of the gear
(wasn't there a Duress?) but I'm sure some of it also gives resists. Then
there's always the old standby, resist charms.
--
Shaun (~misfit~)
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In article <441158a5.TakeThisOut@news2.actrix.gen.nz>,
Shaun \(~misfit~\) <misfit61nz.TakeThisOut@wahoo.co.nz> wrote:
>Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
>> Mickey wrote:

>>> Well, I wouldn't use that runeword either, I'd use either Heaven's
>>> Light or a PB phase blade, and the build is going to have some
>>
>> PB = ? Or did you perhaps enter the abbreviation for a Phase Blade
>> where you wanted to mention a runeword?
>
>Methinks Mickey wrote PB as that's what he calls Phase Blades, then
>re-thought it and wrote phase blade in case people didn't get the "PB" and
>forgot to remove it.

Yes, but a Smiter has no need at all for a plain Phase Blade. And I'm
still not sure what Mickey would've like to stick in that PB? Strength?
Last Wish? To name two extermes...?

>>> resiteance issues as is. I'd look for Mara's ammy and the second ring
>>> would be one with fat resists and some life.
>>
>> My trick for that extra boost to resists is to keep a Treachery armor
>> in the stash. Just enter Act 1 or Act 3 (any place with lots of weak
>> monsters) wearing Treachery, and wait for the Fade on that to trigger.
>> Then go back in Duress, and into UT and blow Mephi away.
>
>I don't get the comments on resists. An Um'ed or P-Diamonded HoZ gives lots
>and a Metalgrid is up to 35% res all. I don't remember the rest of the gear
>(wasn't there a Duress?) but I'm sure some of it also gives resists. Then
>there's always the old standby, resist charms.

It's hard to keep resists up under the influence of Uber-Mephisto's slvl25
(IIRC?) Conviction aura. Which is why you want lots of (spare) resists on
your character when confronting that Uber. Another option would be to put
Salvation up, but that means you loose the IAS and ED boost from
Fanaticism, and I like that to be around when confronting Uber-Mephi and
his buddies.

Regards,

Patrick.
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Thanks guys, your EXCELLENT feedback is MOST appreciated.

** Helmet **
!Amazingly!, hell baal droped a Green UNID'd Winged Helm for me last
night. I periodically hang out and help in baal runs, then slink off to
finish off baal for the drops. Most of the time he drops some nice
stuff. We'll last night I got lucky, and to my surprise, he droped
Guillaume's face for me! Just what I needed.

** Main Wep **
I guess my next step is to find a Flail, Knout or even Scourge to make
black again, I think I have the runes for it somewhere. What's the best
avenue to find this, where to look, what to look for(dmg, quality,
etc.)?

** Ammy **
Well, my son has a god given gift as a trader and managed to dredge up
a Mara's ammy. Not perfect, but nice resist boost.

** Rings **
I know Manald rings would not be the best, but the mana leach is nice,
especially when when you get hist with a mana burn blast. I had'nt
considered Raven Frost since I don't have one yet, but the cold
reduction would certainly be nice. I *never* considered a gimley ring,
but I guess the magic absorb would be nice. I've got a few of those, so
I'll try one on.

** Resists **
Completed quests resulting in the +resists reward in all levels. Added
Maras and druid torch (just for the resists and attibutes). Now with
Shield2,
(Rare Pally Shield w/ 2 perf diamonds) I have Cold Resist at 85, rest
at 75. With unsocketed hoz, 75 cold, and rest 59. Perf diamond here
would help.

** Results so far In practice against hell baal **
CB added by Guillaume's face significantly increases damage taken by
baal per hit, nice big chucks of his life bar come off with each blow.
Added resists from mara's and druid torch helping keep my life ball
full.

** Next Steps **
I'll snag a dwarf star from my mf char, and slap that on. I'll have to
trade I guesss, and find a raven frost, should be no problem for Cody
to trade for 1 if I turn him loose on it. Work on a socketing quest to
puch a hole in the Guillaume's face.

I have 2 organ sets ready to go, would like to find that elusive pally
torch this weekend!

Thanks again,
Scott
SC-East/NL
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Scott wrote:
> Thanks guys, your EXCELLENT feedback is MOST appreciated.

Hey, since I'm in the posting mood, can I just make one or two more? No
need to reply to me if the answers are obvious

> ** Helmet **
> !Amazingly!, hell baal droped a Green UNID'd Winged Helm for me last
> night. I periodically hang out and help in baal runs, then slink off to
> finish off baal for the drops. Most of the time he drops some nice
> stuff. We'll last night I got lucky, and to my surprise, he droped
> Guillaume's face for me! Just what I needed.

Well done, it's a nice helm. Even better if you can socket it with Um.
It's what I wear as well.

> ** Main Wep **
> I guess my next step is to find a Flail, Knout or even Scourge to make
> black again, I think I have the runes for it somewhere. What's the best
> avenue to find this, where to look, what to look for(dmg, quality,
> etc.)?

I used a flail as I said and donated that to me friends Freezealot when
we run UT since I got a Heaven's Light. Again, if I can, I'd like to
promote that weapon (HL). The increase in smite speed really gives a
satisfying feeling. But Black will work just fine anyway I assume. One
thing though, be careful to repair it each time. By the last Uber, my
friend was left Zealing with his fists because the Flail breaks so
easily. You _don't_ want that to happen if you're alone.

> ** Ammy **
> Well, my son has a god given gift as a trader and managed to dredge up
> a Mara's ammy. Not perfect, but nice resist boost.

Cool.

> ** Rings **
> I know Manald rings would not be the best, but the mana leach is nice,
> especially when when you get hist with a mana burn blast. I had'nt
> considered Raven Frost since I don't have one yet, but the cold
> reduction would certainly be nice.

Cold reduction isn't really the issue here, it's the cannot be frozen
mod. Frozen smiter = slow, low leeching smiter = potential detah in UT.
Perhaps I missed something in your original post and you already have
cannot be frozen elsewhere.

> ** Resists **
> Completed quests resulting in the +resists reward in all levels. Added
> Maras and druid torch (just for the resists and attibutes). Now with
> Shield2,
> (Rare Pally Shield w/ 2 perf diamonds) I have Cold Resist at 85, rest
> at 75. With unsocketed hoz, 75 cold, and rest 59. Perf diamond here
> would help.

>From your original post it sounds like you'd done UT before right, so
you've obviously got Meph's conviction aura -125% to resists covered.

> ** Results so far In practice against hell baal **
> CB added by Guillaume's face significantly increases damage taken by
> baal per hit, nice big chucks of his life bar come off with each blow.
> Added resists from mara's and druid torch helping keep my life ball
> full.

Cool, the torch idea definately helps. I wore an Assassin torch on my
Sorceress for a short time just for the resists, until I traded Patrick
for a Necro torch that I could actually use. Obviously if you're doing
this solo you're not going to have the torch on you in UT right, cos
you won't be able to pick up the new one when it drops.

> ** Next Steps **
> I'll snag a dwarf star from my mf char, and slap that on. I'll have to
> trade I guesss, and find a raven frost

A stranger actually gave me a Ravenfrost for nothing a little while
back. I found a Grand Charm with 1% MF on it, which I thought was
funny, so I made a trade game for it. When I showed it to the guy he
laughed as well. He obviously enjoyed the humour because he said here
and dropped me a Ravenfrost. Nice chap! So I'm sure you could pick one
up relatively easily.

> I have 2 organ sets ready to go, would like to find that elusive pally
> torch this weekend!

Good luck, let us know how it goes. I have another keyset ready and
should be doing a run this weekend as well.
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> Obviously if you're doing
> this solo you're not going to have the torch on you in UT right, cos
> you won't be able to pick up the new one when it drops.

I should qualify, I may _personally_ run solo, but I open the UT game
with my retired sorc organ/key mule. Leave the game open for awhile to
make sure it's stable. I then join from PC #2. Sorc opens portals and
keeps game up if I die and have to come back. Finally, when torch
drops, run back to town and drop druid torch for sorc to pick up, then
dash back to UT to claim new torch.

>Cold reduction isn't really the issue here, it's the cannot be frozen
>mod. Frozen smiter = slow, low leeching smiter = potential detah in UT.
>Perhaps I missed something in your original post and you already have
>cannot be frozen elsewhere.

No, you did'nt miss anything, Besides resists, I don't have any 'cold
reduction' or 'cannot be frozen' equipment, but I see where your going
there. Being 'cold' and under the decrep curse is really miserable in
the throne room! I'm going to put Cody to work finding me a ravenfrost!
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"Shaun (~misfit~)" <misfit61nz RemoveThis @wahoo.co.nz> wrote in message
news:441158a5@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
> Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
>> In article <1141945577.201659.162930 RemoveThis @p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
>> Mickey <mickeyb RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick Vervoorn wrote:
>>
>>>> As for your other post, don't bother with Aldur's Weapon. A fast
>>>> Black weapon works much much better and has CB. Or try to acquire a
>>>> Heaven's Light: 2 open sockets for 2 Shaels, Crushing Blow and a
>>>> Pally skill boost. This will get you to maxed Smite speed.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Well, I wouldn't use that runeword either, I'd use either Heaven's
>>> Light or a PB phase blade, and the build is going to have some
>>
>> PB = ? Or did you perhaps enter the abbreviation for a Phase Blade
>> where you wanted to mention a runeword?
>
> Methinks Mickey wrote PB as that's what he calls Phase Blades, then
> re-thought it and wrote phase blade in case people didn't get the "PB" and
> forgot to remove it.

You've never heard of the Peanut Butter Rune word?

MC
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