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Since: Jan 14, 2008
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:47 am
Post subject: Sitting in the rear seat?
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Hi gang
Yesterday I downloaded a Beechcraft Bonanza from flightsim.com. It's for
FSX. In Vertual cockpit mode, I am sitting in the back seat, not the
cockpit. Makes it very hard(ok,impossible) to see the instrument panel. What
do I need to do to get the view from the pilot's seat?
This is the second aircraft that this has happened to me.
Tom in Tucson |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Sitting in the rear seat? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:47:28 -0700, Tom Garrett wrote:
> I am sitting in the back seat, not the cockpit.
Relax and enjoy the ride.
:- )
For the VC cockpit:
Open the Aircraft.cfg of the aircraft you want to modify in a text editor.
Edit/add the following line in the aircraft.cfg
EYEPOINT=
Example:
[Views]
eyepoint=-3.95, -0.85, 2.1
The three values following the eyepoint are positions from a reference
datum (the center of gravity of the plane), being (in order) longitudinal,
lateral, vertical distance in feet.
Example:
-3.95 is 3.95 feet back
-0.85 is 0.85 feet left
2.1 is 2.1 meters up
I wonder if the aircraft designer used a plus value instead of a minus?
But, mess with the first value (-3.95 example) and keep reloading the
aircraft. You don't need to restart the sim, just reload the aircraft.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Sitting in the rear seat? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Dallas" <Cybnorm DeleteThis @spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:47:28 -0700, Tom Garrett wrote:
>
>> I am sitting in the back seat, not the cockpit.
>
> Relax and enjoy the ride.
>
> :- )
>
> For the VC cockpit:
>
> Open the Aircraft.cfg of the aircraft you want to modify in a text editor.
> Edit/add the following line in the aircraft.cfg
>
> EYEPOINT=
>
> Example:
> [Views]
> eyepoint=-3.95, -0.85, 2.1
>
> The three values following the eyepoint are positions from a reference
> datum (the center of gravity of the plane), being (in order) longitudinal,
> lateral, vertical distance in feet.
>
> Example:
> -3.95 is 3.95 feet back
> -0.85 is 0.85 feet left
> 2.1 is 2.1 meters up
>
> I wonder if the aircraft designer used a plus value instead of a minus?
>
> But, mess with the first value (-3.95 example) and keep reloading the
> aircraft. You don't need to restart the sim, just reload the aircraft.
>
>
>
> --
> Dallas
thanks, Dallas, I'll try this later. Gotta make a run to the store first. I
really hope this helps!
Tom >> Stay informed about: Sitting in the rear seat? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:02 pm
Post subject: Hey Dalla! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Tom Garrett" <garrett451.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "Dallas" <Cybnorm.DeleteThis@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
> news:k0g88j2zwsh.1iyy37nkuzxhr$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Tue, 27 May 2008 08:47:28 -0700, Tom Garrett wrote:
>>
>>> I am sitting in the back seat, not the cockpit.
>>
>> Relax and enjoy the ride.
>>
>> :- )
>>
>> For the VC cockpit:
>>
>> Open the Aircraft.cfg of the aircraft you want to modify in a text
>> editor.
>> Edit/add the following line in the aircraft.cfg
>>
>> EYEPOINT=
>>
>> Example:
>> [Views]
>> eyepoint=-3.95, -0.85, 2.1
>>
>> The three values following the eyepoint are positions from a reference
>> datum (the center of gravity of the plane), being (in order)
>> longitudinal,
>> lateral, vertical distance in feet.
>>
>> Example:
>> -3.95 is 3.95 feet back
>> -0.85 is 0.85 feet left
>> 2.1 is 2.1 meters up
>>
>> I wonder if the aircraft designer used a plus value instead of a minus?
>>
>> But, mess with the first value (-3.95 example) and keep reloading the
>> aircraft. You don't need to restart the sim, just reload the aircraft.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dallas
> thanks, Dallas, I'll try this later. Gotta make a run to the store first.
> I really hope this helps!
> Tom
>
Oki, after numerous tries of trial and error, I got the viewpoint to an
acceptable level. The old eyepoint was:
-4.51,-.884,1.4
The new eyepoint is:
+1.52,-.884,2.4
Having said that and gotten the eyepoint just right, I found out the VC is
totally unfunctional. Nothing works, not even the airspeed indicator. So I
will end up deleting this "turd".
Thanks for your help, Dallas, I did learn something which is why I sim in
the first place! >> Stay informed about: Sitting in the rear seat? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:15 pm
Post subject: Re: Sitting in the rear seat? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Tom Garrett" <garrett451.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Hi gang
> Yesterday I downloaded a Beechcraft Bonanza from flightsim.com. It's for
> FSX. In Vertual cockpit mode, I am sitting in the back seat, not the
> cockpit. Makes it very hard(ok,impossible) to see the instrument panel.
> What do I need to do to get the view from the pilot's seat?
> This is the second aircraft that this has happened to me.
i saw the same and my assumption was - fsx developers were allowed to sit
back there when they did screenshots and photos. 
i hope i am wrong. i did not find the way to switch cockpit. >> Stay informed about: Sitting in the rear seat? |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Sitting in the rear seat? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Tom Garrett wrote:
> Hi gang
> Yesterday I downloaded a Beechcraft Bonanza from flightsim.com. It's for
> FSX. In Vertual cockpit mode, I am sitting in the back seat, not the
> cockpit. Makes it very hard(ok,impossible) to see the instrument panel. What
> do I need to do to get the view from the pilot's seat?
> This is the second aircraft that this has happened to me.
> Tom in Tucson
In some aircraft the rear set is the prefered single occupant location
for weight distribution purposes. The seat for the optional second
occupant is near the center of lift so that the pilot won't have to deal
with the shift of the aircraft's center of gravity along with the
unavoidable weight increase of having the passenger aboard. IF the front
seat is near the center of the wing(s) flying from that seat with the
rear seat empty would probably make it necessary to constantly pull the
stick back to stay out of a dive and make conventional gear aircraft tip
over forwards (damaging the prop and engine) when on the ground. >> Stay informed about: Sitting in the rear seat? |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Sitting in the rear seat? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"RobertVA" <robert_c72athotmail.RemoveThis@invalid.net> wrote in message
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> Tom Garrett wrote:
>> Hi gang
>> Yesterday I downloaded a Beechcraft Bonanza from flightsim.com. It's for
>> FSX. In Vertual cockpit mode, I am sitting in the back seat, not the
>> cockpit. Makes it very hard(ok,impossible) to see the instrument panel.
>> What do I need to do to get the view from the pilot's seat?
>> This is the second aircraft that this has happened to me.
>> Tom in Tucson
>
> In some aircraft the rear set is the prefered single occupant location for
> weight distribution purposes. The seat for the optional second occupant is
> near the center of lift so that the pilot won't have to deal with the
> shift of the aircraft's center of gravity along with the unavoidable
> weight increase of having the passenger aboard. IF the front seat is near
> the center of the wing(s) flying from that seat with the rear seat empty
> would probably make it necessary to constantly pull the stick back to stay
> out of a dive and make conventional gear aircraft tip over forwards
> (damaging the prop and engine) when on the ground.
Yeah, BUT the rear seat is not the preferred seat of the PILOT! <g>
Tom in Tucson >> Stay informed about: Sitting in the rear seat? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:23 pm
Post subject: Re: Hey Dalla! [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 27 May 2008 16:02:01 -0700, Tom Garrett wrote:
> Having said that and gotten the eyepoint just right, I found out the VC is
> totally unfunctional. Nothing works, not even the airspeed indicator. So I
> will end up deleting this "turd".
Ah yes... another victim of "freeware".
I've gotten to the point that I just won't do freeware anymore. Why
people put unfinished work out there for download is beyond me.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:53 pm
Post subject: Re: Sitting in the rear seat? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Tom Garrett" <garrett451.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "RobertVA" <robert_c72athotmail.DeleteThis@invalid.net> wrote in message
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> Yeah, BUT the rear seat is not the preferred seat of the PILOT! <g>
> Tom in Tucson
At least, not in a Bonanza...
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