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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:47 pm
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"Jeanie" <Nobody.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
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> katy wrote:
..............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>> sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>> lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
> function of the lot debugger?
>
<immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
..
I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It certainly
rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood option. You
should have seen them Simmies run.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:47 pm
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Granny by Gaslight wrote:
> "Jeanie" <Nobody.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
> news:tmbEj.11007$2Y4.2560@trndny01...
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>>katy wrote:
>
> .............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>
>>>sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>>>lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>>
>>I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
>>function of the lot debugger?
>>
>
> <immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
> Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
> .
> I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It certainly
> rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
> Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood option. You
> should have seen them Simmies run.
> .
> GbG
>
>
Did they all perish or was it random death? I would use a disaster mod
if it only desimated part of the population (although I'd be sad when
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:19 pm
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Granny by Gaslight wrote:
> "Jeanie" <Nobody.RemoveThis@home.com> wrote in message
> news:tmbEj.11007$2Y4.2560@trndny01...
>> katy wrote:
> .............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>>> sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>>> lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
>> function of the lot debugger?
>>
> <immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
> Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
> .
> I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It
> certainly rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
> Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood
> option. You should have seen them Simmies run.
> .
> GbG
Well, the list of functions in the first post in the lot debugger thread at
MATY says:
Decimate Neighborhood (Debug only) (do not use!)
10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give warning box
if you attempt to touch it.
There are 39 pages of posts in this thread. I have not even begun to read
them all (and I REALLY don't want to!) so I have no idea what sort of
discussion might have taken place about it. I also don't know why pescado
put it in the lot debugger and then told us not to use it. That's why I'm
wondering if anyone here has ever done it.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:19 pm
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kat wrote:
> katy wrote:
>> Jeanie wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I have to admit that I tend to have two or maybe three
>>> households that I really enjoy playing even in a neighborhood with
>>> 30 occupied houses. I tend to concentrate on one or two sim
>>> children, wanting to follow them through their lives, and let the
>>> rest go hang. In fact, if my neighborhoods get too populated, I
>>> find that I stop playing them at all. To tell you the truth, I'm
>>> getting a bit burned out on the Sims altogether these days. I got
>>> the last two EPs and don't even use 90% of what they added to the
>>> game. Jeanie
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, there are aspects of the last 2 EP's I will probably never use,
>> too but then there are things from that that really helped...the
>> whole secret lot thing with going to the clubs etc is corny and
>> hokey to me, so I doubt if my sims will ever take advantage of them
>> but I do like the added on attractions of bug hynting, birdwatching
>> etc and all the accoutrements of the hobbies...I have sims now doing
>> some of those things autonomously and that I like...beats haing them
>> just stand there screaming at you to tell them to do something!
>
> I was testing a shrunk lot last night - it crashed at 6pm again - but
> I loved the CAS sim I put on it. He arrived, got out his binoculars
> and started bird watching. Definitely beats hanging around doing
> nothing but loook creepy.
>
>
> --
> kat
> >^..^<
I don't know. I had a sim do that and it looked for all the world like he
was trying to see into the upstairs windows of the house next door! LOL
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:19 pm
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Jeanie wrote:
> Granny by Gaslight wrote:
>
>>"Jeanie" <Nobody.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
>>news:tmbEj.11007$2Y4.2560@trndny01...
>>
>>>katy wrote:
>>
>>.............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>>
>>>>sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>>>>lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>>>
>>>I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
>>>function of the lot debugger?
>>>
>>
>><immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
>>Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
>>.
>>I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It
>>certainly rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
>>Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood
>>option. You should have seen them Simmies run.
>>.
>>GbG
>
>
> Well, the list of functions in the first post in the lot debugger thread at
> MATY says:
>
> Decimate Neighborhood (Debug only) (do not use!)
> 10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
> immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give warning box
> if you attempt to touch it.
>
> There are 39 pages of posts in this thread. I have not even begun to read
> them all (and I REALLY don't want to!) so I have no idea what sort of
> discussion might have taken place about it. I also don't know why pescado
> put it in the lot debugger and then told us not to use it. That's why I'm
> wondering if anyone here has ever done it.
>
> Jeanie
>
>
Sounds ominous, doesn't it? I wonder what the ramifications of using it
are? And I question that, too...why put it in if it is that dangerous to
use? Seems like it would be fundtionless to the game if it causes that
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:28 pm
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Granny by Gaslight wrote:
> "katy" <katysails.DeleteThis@netscape.com> wrote in message
> news:64cn5gF2a0sjgU3@mid.individual.net...
>> Guardian Pegasus wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Essentially, we will now have no more control of the other 99% of
>>> our Sims... or as i like to call it, "One household per
>>> Neighbourhood".
>>
>> Kind of leaves us storyboarders out of the picture...kind of hard to
>> write a story when things are happening that autonamously...I'm
>> wondering if they might stick a feature in that puts a family "On
>> Hold" maybe....
> .
> Kills story following stone dead, doesn;t it?
> What would be the point of me setting Vudcund up for a prat fall by
> introducing a dark slinky fortune-hunting siren to grab him if I run
> into him in The Ruptured Duck and discover he has got married and is
> now the father of twins?
> And it makes murder on demand almost impossible.
> Tuh! Spoil sports.
> .
This could be something for the modders to get their teeth into. TwoJefffs
gave us Autonomous Romance for Sims 2 - for Sims 3 we get *Non* Automomous
Romance.
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kat
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:30 pm
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Jeanie wrote:
> kat wrote:
>> I was testing a shrunk lot last night - it crashed at 6pm again - but
>> I loved the CAS sim I put on it. He arrived, got out his binoculars
>> and started bird watching. Definitely beats hanging around doing
>> nothing but loook creepy.
>>
>>
>> --
>> kat
>> >^..^<
> I don't know. I had a sim do that and it looked for all the world
> like he was trying to see into the upstairs windows of the house next
> door! LOL
This one was looking across the road, where there ae no houses so it didn't
look so bad.
--
kat
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:39 pm
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"Jeanie" <Nobody.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote:
>I, too, will likely wait until I see people who's opinions I trust begin to
>praise the game. And if we ALL do that, who will buy it?!?
The millions of other Sims players who don't hang out here.
D.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:39 pm
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Derek Lyons wrote:
> "Jeanie" <Nobody.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote:
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>>I, too, will likely wait until I see people who's opinions I trust begin to
>>praise the game. And if we ALL do that, who will buy it?!?
>
>
> The millions of other Sims players who don't hang out here.
>
> D.
They may not post here, but many of them read us on google and other
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:49 pm
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"Jeanie" <Nobody RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message
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> Granny by Gaslight wrote:
>> "Jeanie" <Nobody RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message
>> news:tmbEj.11007$2Y4.2560@trndny01...
>>> katy wrote:
>> .............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>>>> sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>>>> lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
>>> function of the lot debugger?
>>>
>> <immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
>> Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
>> .
>> I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It
>> certainly rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
>> Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood
>> option. You should have seen them Simmies run.
>> .
>> GbG
>
> Well, the list of functions in the first post in the lot debugger thread
> at MATY says:
>
> Decimate Neighborhood (Debug only) (do not use!)
> 10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
> immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give warning
> box if you attempt to touch it.
>
> There are 39 pages of posts in this thread. I have not even begun to read
> them all (and I REALLY don't want to!) so I have no idea what sort of
> discussion might have taken place about it. I also don't know why pescado
> put it in the lot debugger and then told us not to use it. That's why I'm
> wondering if anyone here has ever done it.
>
You want me to do it? I only hvae a basic load-up sims2 running and it won;t
matter if it implodes.
..
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:49 pm
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Granny by Gaslight wrote:
> "Jeanie" <Nobody.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
> news:bPcEj.12281$FK1.10821@trndny08...
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>>Granny by Gaslight wrote:
>>
>>>"Jeanie" <Nobody.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tmbEj.11007$2Y4.2560@trndny01...
>>>
>>>>katy wrote:
>>>
>>>.............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>>>
>>>>>sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>>>>>lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>>>>
>>>>I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
>>>>function of the lot debugger?
>>>>
>>>
>>><immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
>>>Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
>>>.
>>>I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It
>>>certainly rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
>>>Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood
>>>option. You should have seen them Simmies run.
>>>.
>>>GbG
>>
>>Well, the list of functions in the first post in the lot debugger thread
>>at MATY says:
>>
>>Decimate Neighborhood (Debug only) (do not use!)
>>10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
>>immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give warning
>>box if you attempt to touch it.
>>
>>There are 39 pages of posts in this thread. I have not even begun to read
>>them all (and I REALLY don't want to!) so I have no idea what sort of
>>discussion might have taken place about it. I also don't know why pescado
>>put it in the lot debugger and then told us not to use it. That's why I'm
>>wondering if anyone here has ever done it.
>>
>
> You want me to do it? I only hvae a basic load-up sims2 running and it won;t
> matter if it implodes.
> .
> GbG
>
>
But what if the effects are long term? You'd have to play the hood for a
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:50 pm
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maxon wrote:
> "Guardian Pegasus" <nobody.DeleteThis@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:2jt0u31kulranr34jj3ett8v474t1b399s@4ax.com...
>> http://www.luniversims3.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=art...e&id=16
>> One promising tidbit of information from the article:
>> "Which configuration? We don't know for now. The demo was running on
>> a laptop"
>
> Yeah I noticed that too - also 'not released before 2009' and also no
> definite date. I bet we do get another EP then since EAxis will miss
> their guaranteed income boost for Christmas if we don't.
I thought somebody posted about one of the US online stores having it on
pre-order with the release date of March 2009? It had an exact date on there
but I forget what it was. 19th?
Cheers!
Engram
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:33 pm
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Derek Lyons wrote:
> "Jeanie" <Nobody.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote:
>
>> I, too, will likely wait until I see people who's opinions I trust
>> begin to praise the game. And if we ALL do that, who will buy it?!?
>
> The millions of other Sims players who don't hang out here.
>
> D.
Well, obviously! I didn't mean it that way. I meant, which of US will buy
it? If we all wait till one of us does it, I mean? I'm positive that EA
Games isn't going to be that concerned about the couple of dozen of us
middle-aged players who have congregated in here. However, I do believe
that we are more representative of the hard core Sims players out there than
the 13 year olds tossing benes at each other on the BBS.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:35 pm
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Granny by Gaslight wrote:
> "Jeanie" <Nobody RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message
> news:bPcEj.12281$FK1.10821@trndny08...
>> Granny by Gaslight wrote:
>>> "Jeanie" <Nobody RemoveThis @home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:tmbEj.11007$2Y4.2560@trndny01...
>>>> katy wrote:
>>> .............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>>>>> sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>>>>> lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>>>>
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
>>>> function of the lot debugger?
>>>>
>>> <immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
>>> Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
>>> .
>>> I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It
>>> certainly rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
>>> Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood
>>> option. You should have seen them Simmies run.
>>> .
>>> GbG
>>
>> Well, the list of functions in the first post in the lot debugger
>> thread at MATY says:
>>
>> Decimate Neighborhood (Debug only) (do not use!)
>> 10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
>> immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give
>> warning box if you attempt to touch it.
>>
>> There are 39 pages of posts in this thread. I have not even begun
>> to read them all (and I REALLY don't want to!) so I have no idea
>> what sort of discussion might have taken place about it. I also
>> don't know why pescado put it in the lot debugger and then told us
>> not to use it. That's why I'm wondering if anyone here has ever
>> done it.
> You want me to do it? I only hvae a basic load-up sims2 running and
> it won;t matter if it implodes.
> .
> GbG
Sure, why not? You start over often enough that the effects would hardly be
long term.... <g>
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:36 pm
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katy wrote:
> Granny by Gaslight wrote:
>> "Jeanie" <Nobody DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
>> news:bPcEj.12281$FK1.10821@trndny08...
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>>> Granny by Gaslight wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Jeanie" <Nobody DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:tmbEj.11007$2Y4.2560@trndny01...
>>>>
>>>>> katy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> .............Too bad only one can die at a time...the whole Grimmie
>>>>
>>>>>> sequence takes so long and he can't do multiple deaths on a
>>>>>> lot...tooo bad..could have a communal farewell...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has every used the "decimate neighborhood"
>>>>> function of the lot debugger?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <immediate interest> What! I have never noticed THAT option....
>>>> Or is it tied in with the 'rain of fireballs?' Now THAT was fun...
>>>> .
>>>> I thought that was a mod in its own right.. can;t remember. It
>>>> certainly rained fireballs though all over Pigsty Corner.
>>>> Ahhh... Happy memories. That was using an invite the whole hood
>>>> option. You should have seen them Simmies run.
>>>> .
>>>> GbG
>>>
>>> Well, the list of functions in the first post in the lot debugger
>>> thread at MATY says:
>>>
>>> Decimate Neighborhood (Debug only) (do not use!)
>>> 10% of your neighborhood is randomly given the death token, causing
>>> immediate death on lot load. DO NOT USE THIS OPTION. Will give
>>> warning box if you attempt to touch it.
>>>
>>> There are 39 pages of posts in this thread. I have not even begun
>>> to read them all (and I REALLY don't want to!) so I have no idea
>>> what sort of discussion might have taken place about it. I also
>>> don't know why pescado put it in the lot debugger and then told us
>>> not to use it. That's why I'm wondering if anyone here has ever
>>> done it.
>>
>> You want me to do it? I only hvae a basic load-up sims2 running and
>> it won;t matter if it implodes.
>> .
>> GbG
>>
>>
> But what if the effects are long term? You'd have to play the hood
> for a while to see the total ramifications.
LOL! Long term effects on one of Veronica's neighborhoods?!?
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