Sims 3: Irritations and worries

Guardian Pegasus wrote:

> But here's what I don't understand... EA is now starting to hype The
> Sims as a game for hardcore gamers. And the way they're going about
> that is to remove motives etc. ? I mean WTF? This is the most selling
> PC franchise of ALL FREAKING TIME! Do you REALLY need to risk your
> current customerbase by trying to find ways to appeal to even MORE
> customers, who quite likely, still won't give The Sims a chance
> anyway?
>
> In other words... they're screwing up OUR game, OUR franchise, by
> trying to make it appealing to people who have no interesting in
> virtual life simulations, to make stockholders happy???
>
Well I won't really care if it bombs. I have plenty of play time left in
Sims2 and if Sims3 really is too much of a departure I am sure some other
company might come along and give us what we want. Or EA will realize it's
mistake and Sims4 will be born.

Gareeth
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Guardian Pegasus wrote:
> Sims 1 to Sims 2 was a true technological leap. For Sims 3 I'm not so
> sure. It looks more "seamless".
>
> But here's what I don't understand... EA is now starting to hype The
> Sims as a game for hardcore gamers. And the way they're going about
> that is to remove motives etc. ? I mean WTF? This is the most selling
> PC franchise of ALL FREAKING TIME! Do you REALLY need to risk your
> current customerbase by trying to find ways to appeal to even MORE
> customers, who quite likely, still won't give The Sims a chance
> anyway?
>
> In other words... they're screwing up OUR game, OUR franchise, by
> trying to make it appealing to people who have no interesting in
> virtual life simulations, to make stockholders happy???

I guess I don't look at it that way at all, GP. I mean, from what I've
read, the changes they are making in Sims 3 should make it much easier for
me to play the game the way I want to, which is to tell stories, act out
scenarios, see what happens "if."

>
> Well EA... what if The Sims 3, one of only a few franchises keeping
> your giant zeppeling afloat, BOMBS Hindenburg style, and multi hundred
> million dollar profits from The Sims franchise do not happen in your
> fiscal year?
>
> MORONS! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Rather, fix what IS broken!
> Give us less bugs, more built in tools and customization support,
> improve upon what is already there, give the fans what they want!

Well, a few weeks back, we all posted in a thread of what we wished would be
in Sims 3. We wanted to be able to walk over and visit the neighbors, see
them farting around in their yards from our playable sim's house, we wanted
more variation in our sims' personalities, more body types, and didn't want
to have to spend all our time worrying about whether the sim needed to go
pee or had to eat so we could spend more time playing the game. And, look!
That's what this game looks to be all about.

>
> I'm very much afraid this will be another example of how "creative new
> directions" equal flops.
>
> I believe The Sims 3 could be such a radically different game that
> most of us traditional simmers in fact will be playing the two games
> alongside eachother.
>
> Ack...

Well, would that be so bad, really? LOL I mean, look at how many were
afraid to make the leap over to Sims 2. Most of the regular posters in here
declared that we intended to leave Sims 1 and all it's downloads and EPs
installed on our computers so we could continue to play. And look what
happened! Within the first day of having Sims 2, we knew there was no going
back. Firing up Sims 1 after playing Sims 2 was like watching an old
cartoon instead of a Broadway play. No comparison. But if we want to play
the games side by side, who's to stop us from doing so?

Jeanie
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:57:42 GMT, "Gareeth" <gareethnews DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Well I won't really care if it bombs. I have plenty of play time left in
>Sims2 and if Sims3 really is too much of a departure I am sure some other
>company might come along and give us what we want. Or EA will realize it's
>mistake and Sims4 will be born.

Sigh... there are so many great innovations in Sims 3, and they talk
about giving the players options and power, but in the end it seems
like they're also making a whole lot of decisions for us... I don't
like the sound of everything aging at once. It'll make it impossible
to play more than one household. Children won't be able to move out
etc. I just don't get it. All in all, I'm skeptical, but obviously
hopeful that they won't completely screw it all up...
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Jeanie wrote:
>
> Well, would that be so bad, really? LOL I mean, look at how many
> were afraid to make the leap over to Sims 2. Most of the regular
> posters in here declared that we intended to leave Sims 1 and all
> it's downloads and EPs installed on our computers so we could
> continue to play. And look what happened! Within the first day of
> having Sims 2, we knew there was no going back.

I guess it is too early to tell from the information we have what will
happen. I just feel I have enough life and have invested so much money in
Sims2 it will be hard to switch but you are right. Nearly everyone said that
about the original.

Gareeth
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>I believe The Sims 3 could be such a radically different game that
>most of us traditional simmers in fact will be playing the two games
>alongside eachother.
>
>Ack...

Well, I dind not see much in the sims 3 I really liked, besides,
likeing it or not, I wont buy it anyway.
My pc is just about handeling the sims 2 with all its expansions, I
doubt it will handle the sims 3.

Elly.
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:58:51 GMT, "Jeanie" <Nobody RemoveThis @home.com> wrote:

>I guess I don't look at it that way at all, GP. I mean, from what I've
>read, the changes they are making in Sims 3 should make it much easier for
>me to play the game the way I want to, which is to tell stories, act out
>scenarios, see what happens "if."

Stories are well and good. But there are built in commands you can use
to suspend those motives. I don't see the need to completely revamp a
system that has basically been the foundation of the game from day
one. If this new system *doesn't* work, they're going to alienate a
significant portion of their fanbase. Personally I keep thinking
"Well... now that my sims don't have needs to tend to like ordinary
people... what's left for them to do? What am I going to fill their
days with?" I have never been a "storyteller" per say. I'm more of a
strategic player, and this new system doesn't really sound like it
appeals to "my" demographic at all, despite the fact that this is what
Maxis says is the very thing they're trying to do. I *am* a World of
Warcraft gamer, I do play Half-Life and so on.

>Well, a few weeks back, we all posted in a thread of what we wished would be
>in Sims 3. We wanted to be able to walk over and visit the neighbors, see
>them farting around in their yards from our playable sim's house, we wanted
>more variation in our sims' personalities, more body types, and didn't want
>to have to spend all our time worrying about whether the sim needed to go
>pee or had to eat so we could spend more time playing the game. And, look!
>That's what this game looks to be all about.

All fine and well, but completely revamping a tried and true system in
order to cater to even MORE people who frankly have no interested in
the game, motives or no motives?

Now you're gonna take your sim out on the town and he's gonna piss
himself, because you didn't realize he needed to pee. It used to be
the "buffs" and "debuffs" that were hidden. Now it's the motives. Is
that REALLY the way we wanna go?

>Well, would that be so bad, really? LOL I mean, look at how many were

It's hard to play an older version of something, when there's this
shiny new thing available, but if it turns out to be a true virtual
dollhouse, without any kind of balancing gameplay, that might be just
what I do.

>afraid to make the leap over to Sims 2. Most of the regular posters in here
>declared that we intended to leave Sims 1 and all it's downloads and EPs
>installed on our computers so we could continue to play. And look what
>happened! Within the first day of having Sims 2, we knew there was no going
>back. Firing up Sims 1 after playing Sims 2 was like watching an old
>cartoon instead of a Broadway play. No comparison. But if we want to play
>the games side by side, who's to stop us from doing so?

Sure there's always freedom of choice, and maybe I will play both, but
what will be left of The Sims in The Sims 3? Sounds more like one of
those childish console versions to me. Let's cross our fingers and
hope it's not...
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:32:21 +0100, Elly <fantasy RemoveThis @kabelfoon.nl> wrote:

>Well, I dind not see much in the sims 3 I really liked, besides,
>likeing it or not, I wont buy it anyway.
>My pc is just about handeling the sims 2 with all its expansions, I
>doubt it will handle the sims 3.

I think I'd actually have to buy a new desktop to play it... either
that or have incredibly poor graphics, which sort of defeats the
point.
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:18:52 GMT, "Gareeth" <gareethnews.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>I guess it is too early to tell from the information we have what will
>happen. I just feel I have enough life and have invested so much money in
>Sims2 it will be hard to switch but you are right. Nearly everyone said that
>about the original.

Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of the new stuff. I love the ideas
they had. But abandoning everything that made The Sims on PC The Sims
on PC, for some easy going console version... it sounds like they're
stripping the game of any challenge.

All we can do now is pray, frankly... lol.
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Guardian Pegasus wrote:

>
> All we can do now is pray, frankly... lol.

You think God goves a rat's ass about the Sims? hahahahahaha....
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:02:37 -0400, katy <katysails DeleteThis @netscape.com>
wrote:

>Guardian Pegasus wrote:
>
>>
>> All we can do now is pray, frankly... lol.
>
>You think God goves a rat's ass about the Sims? hahahahahaha....

Just wait til you see The Sims movie...
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Guardian Pegasus wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:18:52 GMT, "Gareeth" <gareethnews DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I guess it is too early to tell from the information we have what
>> will happen. I just feel I have enough life and have invested so
>> much money in Sims2 it will be hard to switch but you are right.
>> Nearly everyone said that about the original.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I like a lot of the new stuff. I love the ideas
> they had. But abandoning everything that made The Sims on PC The Sims
> on PC, for some easy going console version... it sounds like they're
> stripping the game of any challenge.
>
> All we can do now is pray, frankly... lol.

I don't think that's ALL you can do. You have valid points about the
interpretation of what we have read in the few press releases there have
been for this game. Why not write to EA Games/Ron Humble (Rod? I
forget...) and say how YOU feel about the game? If the game is still in
development, it's not too late to make changes in it. If enough Sims
players write in about that point (playable families aging whether they are
being played or not) perhaps it will alert them that they may be killing
their own cash cow. These articles acknowledge that only 20% of Sims
players are under 17, and that the vast majority of avid players are older,
more mature players, and that a great many of them are female. (I know you
aren't female, but you see the point I'm making, don't you?)

Squeaky wheels and all that. Shoot, maybe we should all write in. And I do
honestly believe that some of the Maxoids /are/ keeping up with online
forums (maybe even this one, who knows?) to keep a finger on the pulse of
the players and know what it is they most want in the game. As I mentioned
in an earlier post, we had a thread like that in here not long back and
nearly everything we said we wanted is included in this version of the game.
That has to mean that "they" are listening somehow.

Jeanie
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> All fine and well, but completely revamping a tried and true system in
> order to cater to even MORE people who frankly have no interested in
> the game, motives or no motives?
>
> Now you're gonna take your sim out on the town and he's gonna piss
> himself, because you didn't realize he needed to pee. It used to be
> the "buffs" and "debuffs" that were hidden. Now it's the motives. Is
> that REALLY the way we wanna go?

But I didn't understand it that way at all. The article said that there
would be a popup saying that so-and-so needed to pee or was hungry, and that
clicking the popup would satisfy that need. Granted, it will be a bit odd
to know that the sim must have on a diaper since they don't have to pee
anymore, yet never went to the bathroom. <g> And I guess I'm a bit
ignorant of game terminology (this is the only computer game I've ever
played besides tetris and that sort of thing) but I really have no idea what
buffs and debuffs are.
>
>> Well, would that be so bad, really? LOL I mean, look at how many
>> were
>
> It's hard to play an older version of something, when there's this
> shiny new thing available, but if it turns out to be a true virtual
> dollhouse, without any kind of balancing gameplay, that might be just
> what I do.

Well, actually, I think the way it is NOW is a lot more like a virtual
dollhouse with less of a challenge. I mean, a person can play one house for
days at a time and not have to worry about anything else going on in the
neighborhood unless they take their sim to a community lot and two playable
sims from some other family show up and catch each other cheating or
something like that when you can't control them. (That happens a lot in my
game, usually to families that I really didn't want it to happen to!) But,
if everybody is aging at the same time, the challenge then becomes keeping
the neighborhood in sync and playing first one and then another and then yet
another in quick rotation to keep the ball in the air, as it were.

>
>> afraid to make the leap over to Sims 2. Most of the regular posters
>> in here declared that we intended to leave Sims 1 and all it's
>> downloads and EPs installed on our computers so we could continue to
>> play. And look what happened! Within the first day of having Sims
>> 2, we knew there was no going back. Firing up Sims 1 after playing
>> Sims 2 was like watching an old cartoon instead of a Broadway play.
>> No comparison. But if we want to play the games side by side, who's
>> to stop us from doing so?
>
> Sure there's always freedom of choice, and maybe I will play both, but
> what will be left of The Sims in The Sims 3? Sounds more like one of
> those childish console versions to me. Let's cross our fingers and
> hope it's not...

Well, to be honest, I've never played a console game of any kind. My kids
have a playstation but I've never been tempted to fool with it, and even my
daughter wasn't interested in getting any of the sims games for it because
she couldn't have downloads in it. So, I really don't know how those games
play, but I suspect they are like most "games" in that they involve strategy
and some sort of "winning." In my opinion, there is no "winning" in the
Sims2, unless it could possibly be having your sim die of old age after
attaining a LTW. In the Sims2, it's all about the dollhouse, it's all about
the "pretending." And I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a 52 year old
grandmother who loves to "pretend." LOL

Jeanie
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"katy" <katysails.RemoveThis@netscape.com> wrote in message
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> Guardian Pegasus wrote:
>
>>
>> All we can do now is pray, frankly... lol.
>
> You think God goves a rat's ass about the Sims? hahahahahaha....

Well, yeah, considering he's probably playing the Sims 56...
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