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Sammy

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:22 am
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On May 31, 7:59 pm, troppo1 <trop... DeleteThis @forums.simradar.com> wrote:
> Sammy, our celebrity.

Celebrity is highly over-rated.

Enjoy your trip.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:59 am
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Sammy, our celebrity.
Your fans really love you or really hate you . Just straight fwd Black
and White down the middle no grey area's.
I am taking an extra battery for my PDA so I can follow the Saga of
Sammy while i'm away on Hols. Wouldnt want to miss anything, so I
bought a GPRS simcard as well. See you in Aus over the weekend?

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:21 am
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I thought this was the key phrase.
"...and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end
of the product's lifecycle"
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"Sammy" <syousef RemoveThis @bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> You may wish to check what the life cycle dates are. The key phrase
> above is "throughout its life".
>
> Mainstream support for XP Pro in the US and Australia ends April 14th
> 2009. Just under 2 years. Extended support goes till 2014 but wether
> this includes activation I don't know - my understanding is that it's
> only available for large businesses.
>
> Source:
> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=10&y=16&p1=3223
>
> More info:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx
> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy
>
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:54 am
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Thanks mate, have fun and dont let them get you down, MS that is.

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:56 pm
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Sammy writes:

> I'd suggest you're extremely naive when it comes to the law.

You're free to suggest whatever you wish.

> You really think you'd win that argument?

I'm pretty good at winning arguments.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:44 pm
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There's really no point in arguing with you since all you ever like to
do is present your conclusions as fact without any kind of actual
argument. This is one case where I'm confident you're completely
wrong. You can't extrapolate past trends and assume they continue
forever regardless of engineering and/or physical laws limiting them.
Your last paragraph doesn't even make sense. If you make a mistake in
your addressing logic in a program, the program will not work
regardless of the size of the address space.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:44 pm
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On May 30, 8:46 pm, gabbey.m... DeleteThis @backwards.dynanet.com wrote:
> Sounds kinda' like "no programmer left behind*..."
> but don't worry, they'll have comprehensive mental
> health screening and medication for that too!!

"No programmer's behind will be left".
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:24 am
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On Jun 1, 2:25 pm, Mxsmanic <mxsma....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> The mistake concerns encoding of information in an address space in the
> mistaken belief that it reduces address capacity in a linear way, when in fact
> it reduces address space in an exponential way. It is the most persistent and
> classic of mistakes made by engineers and other people in IT. The fact that
> it doesn't make sense to you proves my point.

No, actually, it just proves you're unclear, are rambling and are out
of your depth. I understand very well how address spaces work. I've
taught C programming at undergraduate level. I know how pointers and
memory allocation work. I understand the difference between an address
and the contents of the address, and I understand dereferencing. I
passed a test which included questions on these things to get my
current job.

Firstly "Encoding" information in an address space doesn't make sense.
You don't talk about "encoding" information in an address space you
talk about storing it.

Secondly if you store one byte in an address space, you store one byte
If you store 100 bytes you still store 100 bytes. That's definitely a
linear relationship. If your addressing scheme enables you to address
2^32 bits, you use up those addresses in a linear fashion. The key is
that if you're addressing works with bytes or words you don't address
individual bits, so yes if you have a flag it takes a whole byte or
word instead of a single bit. However an integer or character requires
a whole byte/word. Yes you waste some but even the waste is quite
literally linear and not waste. Storing 2 integers uses 2 times as
much memory as storing 1 integer and requires 2 entries in an address
space. Storing 4 uses 4 times as much memory and 4 entries in the
address space. Unless you're using some mighty strange definitions of
the words linear and exponential, you're just wrong.

Thirdly it depends on your machine architecture (or VM architecture if
you're talking about a VM) as to how the address space is divided. For
example it's entirely possible to address more than the maximum number
of bytes in an address space, by creating multiple address spaces.
However data isn't shared between them and there's a performance
penalty to pay.

What you've said is so vague and badly worded that it basically
amounts to gibberish. If you're trying to say something coherent point
me to an article or at least cite a specific architecture. (Of course
I know you won't do this because you can't but will claim you don't
want to like a 3 year old).

You really should stop pretending to know more than you do. To anyone
with an education in the area you're prattling about, it makes you
sound completely absurd. This is just like when you claimed
anaphylaxis was all in the head. Just yesterday I was reminded of that
when I saw a show called RPA which follows the medical treatment of
patients at a hospital. A 2 year old came in with an anaphyalactic
reaction. His lips were swollen, and he was having trouble breathing.
I thought of you and quite frankly I thought "dumbass!" then turned to
my fiancee and said "it's all in his head" and chuckled at your
expense. I now double check every "fact" that you state since I find
what you say is occassionally true, sometimes there's a grain of
truth, but very often its complete bollox. Yet you claim to be an
expert on everything.
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:56 am
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Sammy writes:

> Your last paragraph doesn't even make sense. If you make a mistake in
> your addressing logic in a program, the program will not work
> regardless of the size of the address space.

The mistake concerns encoding of information in an address space in the
mistaken belief that it reduces address capacity in a linear way, when in fact
it reduces address space in an exponential way. It is the most persistent and
classic of mistakes made by engineers and other people in IT. The fact that
it doesn't make sense to you proves my point.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:56 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:

> Most applications will never need to be 32-bit. The only reason for writing
> 64-bit versions of these apps is to accommodate an OS that will no longer run
> 32-bit apps.

Was about to say, not true, but then saw the *most*.

There is an advantage using 64bit in heavy database use with mutiple
users. For example, you can get more VFM out of using 64bit in Citrix
(in theory) to get more seats on the hardware. Demands on the hardware,
certainly at the high-end server level, means that 64bit is the way
forward. As for high-end Unix servers, they have been 64bit for a while
now.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:56 am
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"Tilly" <nospamplease DeleteThis @lancashirechess.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> Most applications will never need to be 32-bit. The only reason for
>> writing
>> 64-bit versions of these apps is to accommodate an OS that will no longer
>> run
>> 32-bit apps.
>
> Was about to say, not true, but then saw the *most*.
>
> There is an advantage using 64bit in heavy database use with mutiple
> users. For example, you can get more VFM out of using 64bit in Citrix (in
> theory) to get more seats on the hardware. Demands on the hardware,
> certainly at the high-end server level, means that 64bit is the way
> forward. As for high-end Unix servers, they have been 64bit for a while
> now.



Not to mention, the much higher amount of memory support with 64 bit...


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(Msg. 42) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:56 am
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Sammy writes:

> No, actually, it just proves you're unclear, are rambling and are out
> of your depth.

No, it demonstrates that I'm not going to go into a detailed explanation of
why this problem exists. The same engineers who make the mistake also have
trouble understanding it, which presumably is one reason why they make the
mistake.

> Firstly "Encoding" information in an address space doesn't make sense.

Yes, it does. As soon as you allocate addresses in anything other than serial
sequence, you are encoding information in the address, and reducing the pool
of available addresses. Unfortunately, a linear increase in the amount of
encoded information produces an exponential decrease in the amount of address
space available.

> You don't talk about "encoding" information in an address space you
> talk about storing it.

See above. This is simple information theory, or at least it should be
simple, but it's hard for many people to grasp. I'm not going to write an
essay on it for this newsgroup.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:56 pm
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Tilly writes:

> There is an advantage using 64bit in heavy database use with mutiple
> users.

Sure, but that's quite a niche for applications. The very vast majority of
applications used by home and office users will probably never need multiple
gigabytes, unless they are really, REALLY poorly written.

> For example, you can get more VFM out of using 64bit in Citrix
> (in theory) to get more seats on the hardware. Demands on the hardware,
> certainly at the high-end server level, means that 64bit is the way
> forward. As for high-end Unix servers, they have been 64bit for a while
> now.

If the software were better written, 64-bit would probably be a waste.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:56 pm
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Don Burnette writes:

> Not to mention, the much higher amount of memory support with 64 bit...

Thirty-two bits supports four gigabytes of memory. That's around seven
encyclopedias. Just exactly how much do you need to load into memory at one
time?
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:56 pm
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"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don Burnette writes:
>
>> Not to mention, the much higher amount of memory support with 64 bit...
>
> Thirty-two bits supports four gigabytes of memory. That's around seven
> encyclopedias. Just exactly how much do you need to load into memory at
> one
> time?



Well, I suppose if I was still running a 486, that worked, would never need
that much...

However, with the way technology has been advancing, I don't imagine it will
be long when 4 gb will be the minimum needed...



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