Sammy, I am beginning to come around to your way of thinking

It's not the copies that you need, it's the activation/installation
codes, if they cancel them you are left with just full cd's

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Sammy writes:

> At 32 bits you hit a 4 Gig memory addressing limit.

Four gigabytes is enough to hold seven complete encyclopedias. Anyone who
cannot write code to fit in that is not a competent programmer.

> ... I'd argue there's execllent use for 64 bit addressing in the very
> near future.

And it will be exhausted just as quickly as 32-bit addressing was.

> HOWEVER breaking back compatibility, no longer supporting 16 bit apps
> at all just means you've put a whole bunch of apps in the bin for no
> good reason. 32 bit and 16 bit is more important than 64 bit until the
> majority of apps have gone 64-bit. There will come a time when 32 bit
> apps are looked upon the same way we look at 8 bit apps now...but
> that's some years off.

Most applications will never need to be 32-bit. The only reason for writing
64-bit versions of these apps is to accommodate an OS that will no longer run
32-bit apps.

> Also once we hit 64-bit it will take a long long time before we wish
> to move up to 128-bit.

Not true. Sixty-four-bit addressing will be exhausted in only slightly more
time than 32-bit addressing was.

> Why? Because the amount of memory you
> can address in a process is 2^(number of bits) you have.

If that were the only factor to consider, even 32 bits would be more than
enough. But unfortunately that's not how it works.

> In other words if I live to be a hundred I doubt I'll need to move up
> again...but I could be wrong.

Addressing issues are the most consistent area of mistakes made by IT
engineers for as long as IT has existed. As a result, the amount of time
required to exhaust an address space varies almost linearly with the length of
that address space in bits.
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gabbey.maps DeleteThis @backwards.dynanet.com writes:

> Maybe it's a good idea for us Win 2k Pro users.. to pick up a
> copy of Win XP Pro OS full install while they're still around?
> Seriously thinking of it!!

I've already bought back-up copies.
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On May 31, 4:19 am, Mxsmanic <mxsma....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> gabbey.m....TakeThisOut@backwards.dynanet.com writes:
> > Maybe it's a good idea for us Win 2k Pro users.. to pick up a
> > copy of Win XP Pro OS full install while they're still around?
> > Seriously thinking of it!!
>
> I've already bought back-up copies.

Good luck activating Windows XP after support has ceased.
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"Sammy" <syousef DeleteThis @bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> On May 31, 4:19 am, Mxsmanic <mxsma... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> gabbey.m... DeleteThis @backwards.dynanet.com writes:
>> > Maybe it's a good idea for us Win 2k Pro users.. to pick up a
>> > copy of Win XP Pro OS full install while they're still around?
>> > Seriously thinking of it!!
>>
>> I've already bought back-up copies.
>
> Good luck activating Windows XP after support has ceased.
>


I realize, this is just words and who knows what might happen when that time
comes, the below was an excerpt copied and pasted from the following link,
in regards to product activation. I would imagine in my case at least, by
the time a product's support cycle is over, I will have moved on to another
anyway.

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx

<<<Will Microsoft use activation to force me to upgrade? In other words,
will Microsoft ever stop giving out activation codes for any of the products
that require activation?
No, Microsoft will not use activation as a tool to force people to upgrade.
Activation is merely an anti-piracy tool, nothing else.

Microsoft will also support the activation of Windows XP throughout its life
and will likely provide an update that turns activation off at the end of
the product's lifecycle so users would no longer be required to activate the
product. >>>



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Don
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You may wish to check what the life cycle dates are. The key phrase
above is "throughout its life".

Mainstream support for XP Pro in the US and Australia ends April 14th
2009. Just under 2 years. Extended support goes till 2014 but wether
this includes activation I don't know - my understanding is that it's
only available for large businesses.

Source:
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-us&x=10&y=16&p1=3223

More info:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifepolicy
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On 30 May 2007 16:03:15 -0700, Sammy <syousef.TakeThisOut@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

>On May 31, 4:19 am, Mxsmanic <mxsma....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> gabbey.m....TakeThisOut@backwards.dynanet.com writes:
>> > Maybe it's a good idea for us Win 2k Pro users.. to pick up a
>> > copy of Win XP Pro OS full install while they're still around?
>> > Seriously thinking of it!!
>>
>> I've already bought back-up copies.
>
>Good luck activating Windows XP after support has ceased.


activating?? q:-/
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On May 31, 3:31 pm, "Canuck" <some... RemoveThis @somewhere.com> wrote:
> No you pay for the licence to use the program, you dont own the program. If
> that licence is revoked then you are up a gum tree.
> Similarily, you pay for your driving licence but it doesnt mean you own it,
> have one too many and hit a tree, it gets pulled and you cant drive no more.

Legally of course you're right. However the software manufacturers
speak about "buying a copy" not licensing a copy. Take a look at their
own advertising. Also you don't get into trouble for being in
possession of a license, but of a copy of the software. In practice
the software manufacturers speak of licenses or products depending on
whichever suits them at the time.

In any case regardless of how it's put, you're paying money in
exchange for the right to use software. I would argue if you do so and
the company takes your money then tries to prevent you from using your
"license" that's neither fair nor honest and certainly isn't in the
spirit of the law.

People are suggesting purchasing/licensing the software in advance
before the stores stop selling the physical media. If you look at it
as licensing it's like going out and paying for a driver's license now
that starts in 2010 (and can be revoked any time before hand). What's
more since the license says you must activate, and since activation
may be taken away going out and buying XP now for a future machine
seems to make very little sense.

Then people are suggesting oh well if it's revoked I'll just break the
law. The penalties are harsh and the odds are good that these laws
will start being enforced at some point, so that seems to make no
sense either. Your reward for spending money on a product shouldn't be
that you're forced to forfeit it's use or become a criminal.
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I'd suggest you're extremely naive when it comes to the law. A judge
made headlines recently for admitting he didn't understand what a web
page is. Good luck explaining the finer points of why you shouldn't be
held to a licensing agreement you'd accepted, or why you should be
exempt from the DMCA or similar laws that make it illegal to own
anything with the primary use of circumventing copy protection. You
really think you'd win that argument?
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On 29 May 2007 16:30:14 -0700, Sammy <syousef RemoveThis @bigpond.net.au> wrote:

>On May 30, 8:57 am, "TOCA" <N... RemoveThis @valid.com> wrote:
>> So what's the news? Exactly same storry as XP, when it hit the puters
>> worldwide /
>
>I keep trying to tell people that this is new. It's never been this
>bad. What's not new is that you need the latest and greatest hardware.
>The way the market works there'll always be some cost to upgrading OS.
>It's a little higher cost than it was previously but that's not what's
>new. Here's what's new....not based on personal experience but on what
>I've read:
>
>1) Drastic DRM out of the box. Stuff like refusing to play unprotected
>streams or downgrading unprotected video or audio.

Or even your own digital videos, or your own paid for music
collection, or...
>
>2) Unsigned drivers will not work. If someone decides to create a
>freeware driver as a hobby project for that piece of hardware sitting
>on your shelf it becomes very hard if not impossible to do so. Drivers
>cost more, require more development etc.
>
>Side note: I bet you didn't know that MS (on their own or on behalf of
>the hardware manufacturer) can now REVOKE your device driver. Check
>out "Denial-of-Service via Driver/Device Revocation" in the article
>below. It ain't paranoid fantasy folks - it's a feature built into the
>OS!!!
>
So...If you get a piece of hardware that the record or movie industry
complains about they can disable the driver and you can not write a
new one.

>3) Speaking of hardware most major hardware was supported either at
>release or very soon after. I understand drivers for audio and video
>have been slow to appear for VISTA. Reason: A combination of point 2
>and the fact that the driver models have changed so drastically with
>old drivers totally unsupported.

Add the problems created by high quality video and audio due to #1.

>
>4) A security system that as others have mentioned nags you into
>insensitivity, and that many expert users choose to turn off. (What's

Probably most, not just many.

>the bet someone tells you its your fault for turning UAC off the
>moment you have a virus)
>
>I'm not talking out of my backside here. I work as a software
>developer and have done so since late 1993 (with some time off to do a
>B.Sc). In the past I'd run multiple operating systems (multiple
>partitions, and experimented with trial versions of VMWare). I'm no
>lightweight user, and I don't throw things away if they don't work
>without looking for a solution. I've always enjoyed upgrading for
>major releases. This time around I have a perfectly legitimate upgrade
>copy of Vista that I paid for sitting in a draw because it requires me
>to give up my XP to install. It's not because I want to be paranoid or
>get attention or anything else I've been accused of, it's because

I had 4 free upgrades to Vista with my last XP Pro (32 and 64 bit)
purchases. I did not use any of them. Other than looking pretty Vista
has nothing to offer me over what I'm using now and it would create a
lot more problems. I do a lot of multimedia and photography work and I
don't need DRM telling me I need a license to run that high a quality.
The new Versions of Fedora and Ubuntu are as easy to install and set
up as XP if the user is not networking. (With networking I still find
Samba a bit confusing at times) Open Office, multimedia, and photo
editing are also easy to set up and I see more and more power users
leaning that way. Strange that MS is now threatening to sue over
patent infringement, particularly if it entails "look and feel" which
both they and Apple took from Xerox.
It appears they see the possibility of a threat and are resorting to
tactics of intimidation to try and scare people away from LINUX.
Unfortunately the only people who are likely candidates for abandoning
MS are those power users as probably 90 to 95% ( an educated guess)
of the users are going to get their OS pre installed and would stick
with what is common.

The power user community was able to exert enough pressure to get MS
to back off on the OEM issue, but we have neither the clout or money
to compete with the entertainment industry. HOWEVER if Apple's DRM
free *test* proves successful it just might mean the rest of the
industry including MS AND the entertainment industry as a whole will
have to scramble to join. OTOH I'd bet they do their best (or worst)
to try and see it fail because if Apple does succeeded the rest will
have to follow or lose sales/money.

>there are new and worrying trends here. For me a computer is an
>enabler not a set of hoops I like to jump through. If the PC makes it
>painful or impossible to accomplish simple things I may wish to do
>infrequently (like put together a video for flight sim for example)
>it's useless to me. I absolutely will not pay for hardware and
>software only to have it "revoked".
>
>If you don't believe me, please read this article then go verify the
>truth or otherwise of the claims made for yourself.
>http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

Having taught CS at the university level (even if it was introduction
to CS) when I was a GA starting out on my Masters (which I never
finished due to a good job offer) I truly believe all but a small
percent of computer users are not computer literate. OTOH I don't see
that as a necessity as most only need to know how to turn 'em on, load
and run a program, surf the Internet and read their e-mail.

It would be nice though if they cared about learning and safe
computing.
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 20:26:41 -0500, "Don Burnette"
<d.burnette.TakeThisOut@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>"Sammy" <syousef.TakeThisOut@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>news:1180482645.436422.127240@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 30, 9:33 am, "Don Burnette" <d.burne....TakeThisOut@clothes.comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Only in 64 bit Vista, not 32 bit, from what I understand.
>>
>> Yes, and MS is saying the next version of Windows will be exclusively
>> 64-bit.
>>
>> http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=40364
>>
>
>I am suprised the move to 64 bit OS is taking as long as it has, 64 bit
>hardware has been out for some time.
>
>Hopefully, by the time the next OS comes out, and things due progress
>completely to 64 bit, some of these type of issues will be ironed out. I am
>amazed at the amount of hardware mfgs, that still do not write 64 bit
>drivers...

They are saying the next OS will be out in just a couple of years
which will be well before the support for XP is scheduled to run out.

If anything I see Vista as discouraging the development of drivers.
I haven't seen any new books on writing device drivers in quite some
time.
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Sammy writes:

> Good luck activating Windows XP after support has ceased.

There will always be cracks. I paid for the software, I expect it to be
activated, one way or another.
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Canuck writes:

> No you pay for the licence to use the program, you dont own the program. If
> that licence is revoked then you are up a gum tree.

Does the EULA say that the license can be revoked to force you to upgrade?

When you buy a book, you get a license to read the text of the book, but the
holder of the copyright on the book cannot revoke your right to read it.
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