The Ruination of DAoC (long)

I originally posted this to VN / MLF, but since I haven't posted here
in quite a while, I thought I'd share it and spark some good
discussion here on agdaoc

Happy Thanksgiving to all.
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What in the world has happened to our game?

I started out nearly 3 years ago... couldn't tell you when and that's
not really important to this post. I was playing games like Diablo II
and pretty much hating it, dealing with a pack of 10 year olds who
cussed like sailors, scammed, cheated, stole, etc.

Then someone pointed me to this game.

Amazing! It was so new and so refreshing. The whole 3D environment,
the sounds, (I love the mood that the in-game music sets) it was so
nice.

I remember standing on the portal pad one day with my Thidranki-bound
ranger, waiting for Glasny to come down and send us off to war.
Another ranger came up to me, and asked to see my armor and weapons. I
showed him in the trade window, wary that this was some type of scam
or attempted rip-off. He looks over my merchant gear and tells me I
need better stuff... and to wait here. Then he goes up to the vault
and returns and hands me almost a full suit of better armor, some
rings, bracers, cloak, etc. He basically decked me out in what turned
out to be great stuff for that level. Didn't ask for a copper. He told
me good luck, good hunting, gave me a /cheer and took off. I was
speechless. How generous... how GREAT this game is. What benefitted
me, benefitted our realm and he showed that people in DAoC are not
only generous, but amazingly friendly.

On another day not long afterwards, I passed a hero in the passageway
leading to Tir Na Nog, and he stopped, beckoned me, and passed me 100g
for no reason at all. His name was Zuum, and we chatted a while and I
told him how useful that sum would be to a lowbie such as myself. He
told me he got a kick out of passing people money to use to better
themselves in the game. Along the way I met several others who were
just like that, and the game money thing was never an issue... Hibs
took care of Hibs always. As I grew in levels and accumulated more
game coin myself, I passed along the generosity of Zuum when possible
to others lower and newer than myself.

We used to have a guy from Denmark named Cell. This person was one of
the most amazing people I've met in DAoC. Completely selflessly, Cell
would sit on the rock in Mag Mell for HOURS at a time, giving level 50
DA/DS to all the new players out in the lawn beating up on skeletons.
He took on that role on his own inititative, and helped countless
numbers of you Hibs who are 50 now, get there.

I've given these 3 examples of friendliness and kindness to set the
stage for what I'm about to say.

With the release of ToA this game has gone to pure TOS.

I've never before seen so much greed and hoarding as I see today. To
compete on the current DAoC battlefield you *must* have artifacts and
ML abilities, this is fact. The player housing Consignment Merchants
play a part in the ruin of the game, as they allow people to ask
outrageous, sometimes ridiculous prices for gear... and leave it there
until they get it. We have people going out on artifact raids who
simply don't need the drop, but roll for it anyway... why? Greed. They
compete with people who might actually (God forbid!) USE the item and
sell it for asinine prices, thus raising the price for everyone in the
game.

I often hear people asking "Oh you got Whatever 3/3 scroll? How much
do you want for it?" and the person will respond with "Let me check
Market Explorer and see what it's worth." which is a crock because
people list the same item in such a wide range of prices it's not even
funny. I've seen some things listed for 1 plat here and the same item
10 gold over there. These are kids, presumably the same little TOS
that hoarde SOJs on Diablo II and like to see who can collect the most
"stuff" to feel superior.

20 PLAT for a scroll? 50 PLAT for a drop item? These people obviously
have no concept of how far a plat piece used to go. New people
entering the game will eventually just /quit when they see the height
of the mountain they need to scale to get to a level where they can
compete on the battlefield. There si so much great gear sitting in
player housing right now that if it were all dispensed to everyone in
the realm, we'd be unstoppable. I myself price scrolls from 1g to 10g
in most cases and I'll ask for a couple hundred for the rarer 3/3s but
never would I even think of asking for platinum. And I'll typically
sell rarer scrolls in a trade window only, because if I put it on my
CM cheap, some greedy creep will buy it from me and put it on HIS CM
for 15 times the price.

Stop the hoarding. Stop being loot and arti whores. Spread around the
generosity of Zuum and let's get this game back to being enjoyable,
not an extension of our collective darker natures. Here's a
challenge... go out today and find someone in your realm who needs
something and GIVE IT TO THEM FREE. No strings, no obligations, no
favors in return.... just hook someone up. And ***REFUSE*** to pay
these asinine prices. There is only one reason in the world why Mad
Tales 3/3 sells for 20 plat... because some people are too lazy to
farm it on their own and are willing to PAY it. AND YOU KNOW THESE
PEOPLE WHO STARTED FORKING OUT HUGE AMOUNTS OF GAME CURRENCY FOR ITEMS
ARE THE SAME MORONS WHO *BUY* THEIR PLAT OFF EBAY WITH THEIR PARENTS'
CREDIT CARD. The regular people who hunt and salvage and do the normal
things people do to earn coin in the game aren't the ones who set
these prices so high.

If everyone collectively took a stand and said NO MORE, the prices of
things would plummet and we could all get on with the game. Next time
you ask someone how much and they tell you some astronomical figure,
tell them to take a hike. Pretty soon they'll get the picture. But it
has to be done universally, i.e. if a few still agree to continue
paying it, the price will stay sky high.

</soapbox>





Aerichidle BlackDeath - 50 Celt Champion
Ledd Zeppelin - 50 Celt Bard
Nightranger X - 48 Elf Ranger
Ratpoison Inyervein - 46 Elf Nightshade
Mance Rayder - 45 Firbolg Spearo
Pyatt Pree - 39 Elf Enchanter
Hearttree Weirwood - 30 Sylvan Valewalker
Zapppy GoLucky - 29 Lurikeen Eldritch


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dana

"I once dated a woman with a broken leg but... I broke it off."

hi dana, hi ng!

thnx for posting your opinion in this ng as well!
i 100% agree to your post, the game seems to have lost most of it´s
community-spirit, /as ist filled up with "have *itemofchoice* for >15PLAT to
sell" etc, i almost feel as a criminal if i donate some gold or items to
low-lvl-chars or sell some scrolls/items for much less money than offered in
housingzone...
the discussion will lead to "you are only jealous, because we did get the
scroll/item/whatever and you didn´t!" or "hehe, you are complaning about the
price? if you can´t afford this, stfu"...i experienced all this already in
game, and i really don´t understand
seems that the"commercial" part of item/money-selling ingame and on ebay is
a much bigger fun (or job) for some players than the "original" intention,
to play with each other and have some fun.
anyway, thank you again for your posting, you exactly point out my thoughts
there!

Gyralth/Nanda - Avalon/Mid

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"Dana" <LordSnow.DeleteThis@sbcglobal.nut> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:tijcq09tcoph14eogpgphjpilcjn4i0fii@4ax.com...
>I originally posted this to VN / MLF, but since I haven't posted here
> in quite a while, I thought I'd share it and spark some good
> discussion here on agdaoc
>
> Happy Thanksgiving to all.
> ___________________________________________________
>
> What in the world has happened to our game?
>
> I started out nearly 3 years ago... couldn't tell you when and that's
> not really important to this post. I was playing games like Diablo II
> and pretty much hating it, dealing with a pack of 10 year olds who
> cussed like sailors, scammed, cheated, stole, etc.
>
> Then someone pointed me to this game.
>
> Amazing! It was so new and so refreshing. The whole 3D environment,
> the sounds, (I love the mood that the in-game music sets) it was so
> nice.
>
> I remember standing on the portal pad one day with my Thidranki-bound
> ranger, waiting for Glasny to come down and send us off to war.
> Another ranger came up to me, and asked to see my armor and weapons. I
> showed him in the trade window, wary that this was some type of scam
> or attempted rip-off. He looks over my merchant gear and tells me I
> need better stuff... and to wait here. Then he goes up to the vault
> and returns and hands me almost a full suit of better armor, some
> rings, bracers, cloak, etc. He basically decked me out in what turned
> out to be great stuff for that level. Didn't ask for a copper. He told
> me good luck, good hunting, gave me a /cheer and took off. I was
> speechless. How generous... how GREAT this game is. What benefitted
> me, benefitted our realm and he showed that people in DAoC are not
> only generous, but amazingly friendly.
>
> On another day not long afterwards, I passed a hero in the passageway
> leading to Tir Na Nog, and he stopped, beckoned me, and passed me 100g
> for no reason at all. His name was Zuum, and we chatted a while and I
> told him how useful that sum would be to a lowbie such as myself. He
> told me he got a kick out of passing people money to use to better
> themselves in the game. Along the way I met several others who were
> just like that, and the game money thing was never an issue... Hibs
> took care of Hibs always. As I grew in levels and accumulated more
> game coin myself, I passed along the generosity of Zuum when possible
> to others lower and newer than myself.
>
> We used to have a guy from Denmark named Cell. This person was one of
> the most amazing people I've met in DAoC. Completely selflessly, Cell
> would sit on the rock in Mag Mell for HOURS at a time, giving level 50
> DA/DS to all the new players out in the lawn beating up on skeletons.
> He took on that role on his own inititative, and helped countless
> numbers of you Hibs who are 50 now, get there.
>
> I've given these 3 examples of friendliness and kindness to set the
> stage for what I'm about to say.
>
> With the release of ToA this game has gone to pure TOS.
>
> I've never before seen so much greed and hoarding as I see today. To
> compete on the current DAoC battlefield you *must* have artifacts and
> ML abilities, this is fact. The player housing Consignment Merchants
> play a part in the ruin of the game, as they allow people to ask
> outrageous, sometimes ridiculous prices for gear... and leave it there
> until they get it. We have people going out on artifact raids who
> simply don't need the drop, but roll for it anyway... why? Greed. They
> compete with people who might actually (God forbid!) USE the item and
> sell it for asinine prices, thus raising the price for everyone in the
> game.
>
> I often hear people asking "Oh you got Whatever 3/3 scroll? How much
> do you want for it?" and the person will respond with "Let me check
> Market Explorer and see what it's worth." which is a crock because
> people list the same item in such a wide range of prices it's not even
> funny. I've seen some things listed for 1 plat here and the same item
> 10 gold over there. These are kids, presumably the same little TOS
> that hoarde SOJs on Diablo II and like to see who can collect the most
> "stuff" to feel superior.
>
> 20 PLAT for a scroll? 50 PLAT for a drop item? These people obviously
> have no concept of how far a plat piece used to go. New people
> entering the game will eventually just /quit when they see the height
> of the mountain they need to scale to get to a level where they can
> compete on the battlefield. There si so much great gear sitting in
> player housing right now that if it were all dispensed to everyone in
> the realm, we'd be unstoppable. I myself price scrolls from 1g to 10g
> in most cases and I'll ask for a couple hundred for the rarer 3/3s but
> never would I even think of asking for platinum. And I'll typically
> sell rarer scrolls in a trade window only, because if I put it on my
> CM cheap, some greedy creep will buy it from me and put it on HIS CM
> for 15 times the price.
>
> Stop the hoarding. Stop being loot and arti whores. Spread around the
> generosity of Zuum and let's get this game back to being enjoyable,
> not an extension of our collective darker natures. Here's a
> challenge... go out today and find someone in your realm who needs
> something and GIVE IT TO THEM FREE. No strings, no obligations, no
> favors in return.... just hook someone up. And ***REFUSE*** to pay
> these asinine prices. There is only one reason in the world why Mad
> Tales 3/3 sells for 20 plat... because some people are too lazy to
> farm it on their own and are willing to PAY it. AND YOU KNOW THESE
> PEOPLE WHO STARTED FORKING OUT HUGE AMOUNTS OF GAME CURRENCY FOR ITEMS
> ARE THE SAME MORONS WHO *BUY* THEIR PLAT OFF EBAY WITH THEIR PARENTS'
> CREDIT CARD. The regular people who hunt and salvage and do the normal
> things people do to earn coin in the game aren't the ones who set
> these prices so high.
>
> If everyone collectively took a stand and said NO MORE, the prices of
> things would plummet and we could all get on with the game. Next time
> you ask someone how much and they tell you some astronomical figure,
> tell them to take a hike. Pretty soon they'll get the picture. But it
> has to be done universally, i.e. if a few still agree to continue
> paying it, the price will stay sky high.
>
> </soapbox>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aerichidle BlackDeath - 50 Celt Champion
> Ledd Zeppelin - 50 Celt Bard
> Nightranger X - 48 Elf Ranger
> Ratpoison Inyervein - 46 Elf Nightshade
> Mance Rayder - 45 Firbolg Spearo
> Pyatt Pree - 39 Elf Enchanter
> Hearttree Weirwood - 30 Sylvan Valewalker
> Zapppy GoLucky - 29 Lurikeen Eldritch
>
>
> --
>
> dana
>
> "I once dated a woman with a broken leg but... I broke it off."