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Since: May 25, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:55 am
Post subject: Rogues new talent Surprise Attacks, will reduce overall damage?
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Hi
Had a look at the official boards today, and theres a fair amount of
contreversy over the new rogue 41 talent surprise attacks, many are claming
it is actually a damage reduction (something to do with crits.)
I dont really understand how that works, but asking on the official forums
is inviting abuse ;D.
Anyone here understand the maths?. Is it really a reduction of damage?. On
the surface, for a swords rogue it sounds quite nice.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:55 am
Post subject: Re: Rogues new talent Surprise Attacks, will reduce overall damage? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:55:05 +0200, Simon Nejmann <snejmann DeleteThis @worldonline.dk>
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>Not a bad crusade per se, but their claim that the talent _reduces_
>the damage output is retarded (it clearly _increases_ it) - it merely
>doesn't increase it as much as some of the other available talents.
I think the argument was that it's more efficient when you have a very high
crit chance to have an attack dodged and get some energy back, giving you
another chance at a crit, rather than just getting a normal hit. I didn't
really follow it too well as it looked like an utterly useless talent
anyway... as always rogues get the short end of the stick it seems; most
other classes have talents and spells that look really good while ours are
nothing to get excited over. I'm currently looking at a 24/37/0 build,
using only two new talents, neither of which interest me that much; they're
just something to spend the points on.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Rogues new talent Surprise Attacks, will reduce overall damage? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:55:05 +0200, Simon Nejmann
> <snejmann.RemoveThis@worldonline.dk>
> wrote:
>
>>Not a bad crusade per se, but their claim that the talent _reduces_
>>the damage output is retarded (it clearly _increases_ it) - it merely
>>doesn't increase it as much as some of the other available talents.
>
> I think the argument was that it's more efficient when you have a very
> high
> crit chance to have an attack dodged and get some energy back, giving you
> another chance at a crit, rather than just getting a normal hit. I didn't
> really follow it too well as it looked like an utterly useless talent
> anyway... as always rogues get the short end of the stick it seems; most
> other classes have talents and spells that look really good while ours are
> nothing to get excited over. I'm currently looking at a 24/37/0 build,
> using only two new talents, neither of which interest me that much;
> they're
> just something to spend the points on.
> --
> EU-Draenor:
> Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
> Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
> Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
> Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
> Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
I came to the conclusion surprise attacks not worth it too. Also as im out
of pvp now (hit rank 10 but burnt out doing it).
I am not interested in nerves of steel, and vitality seems pretty awful.
So, looking at assasination tree now, thinking seal fate would be nice with
AR/swords.
our guilds grown now, and its getting hard to stay main DPS...so lack of a
direct damage buff talent in combats a little worrying. >> Stay informed about: Rogues new talent Surprise Attacks, will reduce overall da.. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Rogues new talent Surprise Attacks, will reduce overall damage? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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24/37/0 build ??
wouldn't you really want to be a warrior with this build of yours ?
** no fate **
dracman
http://www.smokeypoint.org/wow/worldofwarcraft1.html
Aliase female hume rogue lvl 52 PVE solo
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=i0LZ0xVooZEMxk0hRk
4/12/27
Iacta alea est (Latin: "The die is cast")
"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM RemoveThis @totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:55:05 +0200, Simon Nejmann <snejmann RemoveThis @worldonline.dk>
: wrote:
:
: >Not a bad crusade per se, but their claim that the talent _reduces_
: >the damage output is retarded (it clearly _increases_ it) - it merely
: >doesn't increase it as much as some of the other available talents.
:
: I think the argument was that it's more efficient when you have a very high
: crit chance to have an attack dodged and get some energy back, giving you
: another chance at a crit, rather than just getting a normal hit. I didn't
: really follow it too well as it looked like an utterly useless talent
: anyway... as always rogues get the short end of the stick it seems; most
: other classes have talents and spells that look really good while ours are
: nothing to get excited over. I'm currently looking at a 24/37/0 build,
: using only two new talents, neither of which interest me that much; they're
: just something to spend the points on.
: --
: EU-Draenor:
: Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 60)
: Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 60)
: Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 44)
: Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 42)
: Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 41)
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 5:55 am
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"Dr Richard Cranium" <dracman DeleteThis @compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> 24/37/0 build ??
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> wouldn't you really want to be a warrior with this build of yours ?
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> ** no fate **
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> dracman
>
Well i did think of going back to my warrior, i dont really enjoy my rogue
anymore and regret making him.
I seem to be popped constantly out of stealth in BG and lag makes
positioning BS/Ambush a nightmare
(hence back to swords).
But warrior: In blues with a couple of greens, no real rep work done.
Rogue: Mix of epics/rank 10 gear. With rep done for lots of factions
Its hard to go back to the warrior and write off the work done on the rogue
if that makes sense?. >> Stay informed about: Rogues new talent Surprise Attacks, will reduce overall da.. |
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