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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:25 pm
Post subject: Rogue at level 57 --outland next
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Well I have only a few thousand to get to level 58.
I have played combat swords till now, ok armor..NOTHING special in
armor or weapons.
All armor and weapons is of the monkey. +agi and + stamina
Now everyone is saying having fun and slow as hell looser (ok these
are my friends?? LOL)
All I hear is IF you would spec sub you would kill faster and take
less damage....of course all of these hot shots have been level 70 for
over a year. AND NONE will admit to anything else even when they
leveled up..BS I know some of them leveled combat sword.
anyway is full Subtlety the best spec thru outlands?
Right now I am in winterspring and have to bandage or eat after 3-4
mobs(max)
I just cheap shot, SS, slice and dice, SS, SS, SS, Evis mob is about
1/3 health so I am not setting the world on fire. Compared to other
chrs I have leveled he just feels slow.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:43 pm
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> All I hear is IF you would spec sub you would kill faster and take
> less damage....of course all of these hot shots have been level 70 for
> over a year. AND NONE will admit to anything else even when they
> leveled up..BS I know some of them leveled combat sword.
If level 70 rogues are telling you this they dont know their class very
well.
> anyway is full Subtlety the best spec thru outlands?
Not for killing mobs, no it isn't.
> I just cheap shot, SS, slice and dice, SS, SS, SS, Evis mob is about
> 1/3 health so I am not setting the world on fire. Compared to other
> chrs I have leveled he just feels slow.
Hmm, I found my rogue fairly quick to level. But once you do the hellfire
peninsula quests, you will end up with much higher attack power, crit
rating, agility, stamina etc. Any char that goes to outland with little\no
outland gear will find they increase in potenct fairly quickly.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:21 pm
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Well maybe its the way I did my chr.
I didn't know what I was doing when I started this guy
( like I do now ROFL )
this is the way I filled up his talents, I did not just go down the
combat tree to start.
Improved sinister strike
Malice
Improved eviscerate
Ruthelness
Relentless strikes
Lethality
Lightening reflexes
Deflection
Precision
Dual wield spec
Blade flury
Sword spec
Weapon expertise
Agression (1)
So should I go back and respec full combat then my last 8 back into
assassination?
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:25:37 GMT, sparks <sparks RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>Well I have only a few thousand to get to level 58.
>I have played combat swords till now, ok armor..NOTHING special in
>armor or weapons.
>All armor and weapons is of the monkey. +agi and + stamina
>
>Now everyone is saying having fun and slow as hell looser (ok these
>are my friends?? LOL)
>
>All I hear is IF you would spec sub you would kill faster and take
>less damage....of course all of these hot shots have been level 70 for
>over a year. AND NONE will admit to anything else even when they
>leveled up..BS I know some of them leveled combat sword.
>
>anyway is full Subtlety the best spec thru outlands?
>
>Right now I am in winterspring and have to bandage or eat after 3-4
>mobs(max)
>I just cheap shot, SS, slice and dice, SS, SS, SS, Evis mob is about
>1/3 health so I am not setting the world on fire. Compared to other
>chrs I have leveled he just feels slow.
>
>
>any help and info is greatly appreciated >> Stay informed about: Rogue at level 57 --outland next |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:59 pm
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a> If level 70 rogues are telling you this they dont know their class
a> very well.
It's because those rogues probably all pvp and sub is the best spec for pvp.
If a pve raiding rogue said sub is best for pve he doesnt know what he is
talking but from pvp/quest/5 man/kara point of view sub/assasination rocks.
>> anyway is full Subtlety the best spec thru outlands?
a> Not for killing mobs, no it isn't.
It was for me, I found mutilate awful for questing and energy/combo points
starvation on combat spec. >> Stay informed about: Rogue at level 57 --outland next |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:59 pm
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> It's because those rogues probably all pvp and sub is the best spec for
> pvp.
I realise that, but even pvp rogues should know combat swords is better for
pve. If they are suggesting that subtlety is better for pve, I remain with
my original statement... They don't know their class.
> It was for me, I found mutilate awful for questing and energy/combo points
> starvation on combat spec.
Then you used it wrong, or specced wrong. Combat swords is and always has
been the pve spec for rogues, and is also the best levelling spec. Combo
point and energy generation is *worse* with subtlety than it is with combat
swords...
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 15:21:17 +0100, "ave" <ave.DeleteThis@nomailplease.com> wrote:
>> It's because those rogues probably all pvp and sub is the best spec for
>> pvp.
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>I realise that, but even pvp rogues should know combat swords is better for
>pve. If they are suggesting that subtlety is better for pve, I remain with
>my original statement... They don't know their class.
>
>> It was for me, I found mutilate awful for questing and energy/combo points
>> starvation on combat spec.
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>Then you used it wrong, or specced wrong. Combat swords is and always has
>been the pve spec for rogues, and is also the best levelling spec. Combo
>point and energy generation is *worse* with subtlety than it is with combat
>swords...
Indeed, I've always been combat swords and every time I look at sub it's
missing too much useful stuff. Although is people go full combat without
the additional assassination talents to help combo point generation,
then perhaps I could see why they think it's bad... but really it's a
nobrainer to get ruthlessness and relentless strikes in addition to the
combat goodies. Perfect pve build, at least for me; can't see myself
ever changing away from it.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:49 pm
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> So should I go back and respec full combat then my last 8 back into
> assassination?
For levelling and pve, I would spec something like:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fbe0ovZMeV00VzxMGkt
With the 41 points in combat, then start filling out the assassination
points. Note, this is only for pve levelling, not raiding and not pvp (sure,
you can use it for raiding or pvp too, it's just not the build I would
exactly go with for those purposes). You might prefer to move some points
around too, upto you.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:18 pm
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Catriona R wrote:
> Indeed, I've always been combat swords and every time I look at sub it's
> missing too much useful stuff. Although is people go full combat without
> the additional assassination talents to help combo point generation,
> then perhaps I could see why they think it's bad... but really it's a
> nobrainer to get ruthlessness and relentless strikes in addition to the
> combat goodies. Perfect pve build, at least for me; can't see myself
> ever changing away from it.
Uh oh, we're getting into the disc vs holy priest territory again.
I changed from combat/ass to sub/ass after a short time in outlands and
found sub/ass much more fun than combat. Whether it's more efficient for
questing is debatable, but it certainly feels fine, and more
importantly, feels more roguelike to me. But then it's probably too fotm
for you  >> Stay informed about: Rogue at level 57 --outland next |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:26 pm
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At least you didn't say pally.
My level 69 protection pally is now up to 8 dps ROFL
oh yea that is with trinkets blazing
On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:18:05 +0100, "Mark (newsgroups)"
<marknewsgroups.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Catriona R wrote:
>> Indeed, I've always been combat swords and every time I look at sub it's
>> missing too much useful stuff. Although is people go full combat without
>> the additional assassination talents to help combo point generation,
>> then perhaps I could see why they think it's bad... but really it's a
>> nobrainer to get ruthlessness and relentless strikes in addition to the
>> combat goodies. Perfect pve build, at least for me; can't see myself
>> ever changing away from it.
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>Uh oh, we're getting into the disc vs holy priest territory again.
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>I changed from combat/ass to sub/ass after a short time in outlands and
>found sub/ass much more fun than combat. Whether it's more efficient for
>questing is debatable, but it certainly feels fine, and more
>importantly, feels more roguelike to me. But then it's probably too fotm
>for you >> Stay informed about: Rogue at level 57 --outland next |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:21 pm
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:18:05 +0100, "Mark (newsgroups)"
<marknewsgroups.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Catriona R wrote:
>> Indeed, I've always been combat swords and every time I look at sub it's
>> missing too much useful stuff. Although is people go full combat without
>> the additional assassination talents to help combo point generation,
>> then perhaps I could see why they think it's bad... but really it's a
>> nobrainer to get ruthlessness and relentless strikes in addition to the
>> combat goodies. Perfect pve build, at least for me; can't see myself
>> ever changing away from it.
>
>Uh oh, we're getting into the disc vs holy priest territory again.
>
>I changed from combat/ass to sub/ass after a short time in outlands and
>found sub/ass much more fun than combat. Whether it's more efficient for
>questing is debatable, but it certainly feels fine, and more
>importantly, feels more roguelike to me. But then it's probably too fotm
>for you
Sigh... is it not allowed to offer opinions on specs any more. never
said anything about ffotm, just said what works for ME. Waste of breath
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Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
Buinne (62 Troll Shaman)
Beag (60 Dwarf Paladin)
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:48 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:49 am
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In article <6dhee9F2j9d3U1.RemoveThis@mid.individual.net>,
catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk says...
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> Indeed, I've always been combat swords and every time I look at sub it's
> missing too much useful stuff.
Gasp! But a rogue is supposed to use daggers!
It's a law of nature! >> Stay informed about: Rogue at level 57 --outland next |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:59 am
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In article <6di0i8F2ncujU1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>,
catrionarNOSPAM DeleteThis @totalise.co.uk says...
> Sigh... is it not allowed to offer opinions on specs any more. never
> said anything about ffotm, just said what works for ME. Waste of breath
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No no, you offered opnion, it was the other guy who was saying what was
right or wrong. >> Stay informed about: Rogue at level 57 --outland next |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:15 am
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 02:49:50 +0200, Pete B <xxxh RemoveThis @_xsomeething.com> wrote:
>In article <6dhee9F2j9d3U1 RemoveThis @mid.individual.net>,
>catrionarNOSPAM@totalise.co.uk says...
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>> Indeed, I've always been combat swords and every time I look at sub it's
>> missing too much useful stuff.
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>Gasp! But a rogue is supposed to use daggers!
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>It's a law of nature!
Hehe  Might be supposed to but I just prefer swords, suits me better
;-P
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Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
Sagart (70 Undead Priest)
Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
Buinne (63 Troll Shaman)
Beag (60 Dwarf Paladin)
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:48 am
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Pete B wrote:
> In article <6di0i8F2ncujU1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>,
> catrionarNOSPAM.DeleteThis@totalise.co.uk says...
>> Sigh... is it not allowed to offer opinions on specs any more. never
>> said anything about ffotm, just said what works for ME. Waste of breath
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> No no, you offered opnion, it was the other guy who was saying what was
> right or wrong.
Who me? I just said I personally was enjoying sub/ass more. I didn't say
which was right or wrong. Or were you speaking about someone else?
Anyway, I had my tongue firmly in my cheek with my comments to Catriona.
But this is usenet, kind of hard to convey that I guess. >> Stay informed about: Rogue at level 57 --outland next |
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