Rites of Spring

M.G.Palmer <SatoshiUrotsukidoji.RemoveThis@gmx.de> wrote:

> I've got a deck that's able to draw obscene amounts of cards and keeps
> them on my hand with Library of Leng. Sometimes it would be nice to be
> able to put some cards back in the library so I don't deck myself, so
> the question is, can I discard some cards for Rites of Spring, put them
> on the library with the Library of Leng effect, but purposely don't find
> any lands ?

From Gatherer:

Library of Leng
1
Artifact
You have no maximum hand size.
If an effect causes you to discard a card, discard it, but you may put
it on top of your library instead of into your graveyard.

-==-

From the Glossary:

Search
If you're required to search a zone not revealed to all players for
cards of a given quality, such as type or color, you aren't required to
find some or all of those cards even if they're present; however, if you
do choose to find cards, you must reveal those cards to all players.
Even if you don't find any cards, you are still considered to have
searched the zone.
[...]

Since you are searching for cards of a given quality (basic land cards),
you can purposefully choose to find none even though there are any. (You
can do so even if both you and your opponent knew somehow that the
library contains basic lands -- for example, if your opponent bounced
your only basic land and it's the only card in your hand and you discard
it and therefore put it in your library.)

So, yes.

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M.G.Palmer <SatoshiUrotsukidoji DeleteThis @gmx.de> sent:
> Hi !

> My question is about this card:

Rites of Spring {1}{G} Sorcery
/ Discard any number of cards. Search your library for that many basic
land cards, reveal those cards, and put them into your hand. Then
shuffle your library.

> I've got a deck that's able to draw obscene amounts of cards and keeps
> them on my hand with Library of Leng. Sometimes it would be nice to be
> able to put some cards back in the library so I don't deck myself, so
> the question is, can I discard some cards for Rites of Spring, put them
> on the library with the Library of Leng effect, but purposely don't find
> any lands ?

Library of Leng {1} Artifact
/ You have no maximum hand size.
/ If an effect causes you to discard a card, discard it, but you may
put it on top of your library instead of into your graveyard.

That works just fine. The part of Rites of Spring that has you discard
the cards is an effect, not a cost, so Library of Leng applies. It's a
replacement, so the cards you put back in go on top of the library
during the 'discard' part of the Rites of Spring effect. They'll be
there when you do the 'search' part. Since you're searching for a
particular kind of card, one that matches a specific quality, you're
allowed to fail to find suitable cards, even if your opponent somehow
knows that the deck only contains basic land cards. The rule about
searching is there to make it easier for players to perform
instructions correctly in tournaments, but it has some neat
side-effects like this.

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M.G.Palmer <SatoshiUrotsukidoji RemoveThis @gmx.de> wrote:
>Rites of Spring 1G Sorcery
>Discard any number of cards. Search your library for that many basic
>land cards, reveal those cards, and put them into your hand. Then
>shuffle your library.

The discard, searching, revealing, putting, and shuffling are all done on
resolution.

>I've got a deck that's able to draw obscene amounts of cards and keeps
>them on my hand with Library of Leng. Sometimes it would be nice to be
>able to put some cards back in the library so I don't deck myself, so
>the question is, can I discard some cards for Rites of Spring, put them
>on the library with the Library of Leng effect, but purposely don't find
>any lands ?

Yes, because the discard for Rites of Spring is _not_ a cost, but an effect,
so Library of Leng's replacement effect applies to it. And because any time
you're searching for cards of a given description, you can fail to find some
or all of them.

If Rites of Spring read "As an additional cost to play Rites of Spring, discard
any number of cards. / Search your..." then Library of Leng's replacement
effect would not apply to the discards. But it doesn't say that.

Dave
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