Respec cost should depend on level

Peter Knutsen wrote:
> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>
> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl
> 15-25, 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something
> like that.
>
> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
> level, people have plenty of money.

I reckon respecs should be as cheap as possible. They are a fun blocker
if you ask me. Especially for healer, hybrid and tank. Pigeon holes you
into a role, which you can't get out of with spending silly money
respecting back and forth. It also stops builds experimenting.
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i think there shoul also be ok and cancel buttons.

On Dec 14, 5:39 am, Mel <melo....DeleteThis@pasdespam.chezmoi> wrote:
> flame_thrower a écrit :
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>
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> > "Peter Knutsen" <p....DeleteThis@sagatafl.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:45810e21$0$175$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...
> >> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
> >> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>
> >> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl 15-25,
> >> 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something like that.
>
> >> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
> >> level, people have plenty of money.
>
> > If I'm not mistaken the first respec is 1G. And to be truthful not everybody
> > has lots of money at 60. I've talked to 60s with < 1G. My most recent 60
> > (2nd one) has only about 60-65G.
> >> --
> >> Peter Knutsen
> >> sagatafl.orgI respecced last week after a wrong click in my talents, and my warning
> was that the next respec would cost me 15G..
>
> I am particularily rich at the moment, I have 60g in the bank.. when you
> don't have time to farm and you only raid, and pay 10 to 15G a night on
> wipes, it's hard to be rich...
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I think that respec cost should depend on how long it is since the last
respec.
< 1 minute: 50s
< 1 hour: 1g
< 4 hours: 5g
< 1 day: 10g
< 1 week: 20g

something like that - so you can recover from a mistake. I goofed up my
re-specs for two characters on the last patch.

Either that, or 1g to un-learn a single talent, maybe 1g to knock 1
point off the highest talents in each tree.

Hoofu, Shaman, Argent Dawn.
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flame_thrower a écrit :
> "Peter Knutsen" <peter.TakeThisOut@sagatafl.invalid> wrote in message
> news:45810e21$0$175$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...
>> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
>> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>>
>> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl 15-25,
>> 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something like that.
>>
>> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
>> level, people have plenty of money.
>>
> If I'm not mistaken the first respec is 1G. And to be truthful not everybody
> has lots of money at 60. I've talked to 60s with < 1G. My most recent 60
> (2nd one) has only about 60-65G.
>> --
>> Peter Knutsen
>> sagatafl.org
>
>

I respecced last week after a wrong click in my talents, and my warning
was that the next respec would cost me 15G..

I am particularily rich at the moment, I have 60g in the bank.. when you
don't have time to farm and you only raid, and pay 10 to 15G a night on
wipes, it's hard to be rich...
 >> Stay informed about: Respec cost should depend on level 

Peter Knutsen wrote:
> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>
> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl
> 15-25, 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something
> like that.
>
> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
> level, people have plenty of money.
>

Or, achieving the same effect but being friendlier for mistakes at level
60, it should be dependant on the number of talent points you've
actually spent.

Make a mistake in the tier 2 of your talent tree? No problem - it'll be
nice and cheap to go and rectify it.
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Gaz a écrit :
> Peter Knutsen wrote:
>> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but
>> no matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>>
>> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl
>> 15-25, 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something
>> like that.
>>
>> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a
>> high level, people have plenty of money.
>>
>
> Or, achieving the same effect but being friendlier for mistakes at level
> 60, it should be dependant on the number of talent points you've
> actually spent.
>
> Make a mistake in the tier 2 of your talent tree? No problem - it'll be
> nice and cheap to go and rectify it.

Or when you respec, you should be able to allocate the points then
validate them, which would save you from the extra click that you didn't
want to do that was all the fault of lag....
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Mel wrote:
> Gaz a écrit :
>> Peter Knutsen wrote:
>>> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but
>>> no matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>>>
>>> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl
>>> 15-25, 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a
>>> high level, people have plenty of money.
>>>
>>
>> Or, achieving the same effect but being friendlier for mistakes at
>> level 60, it should be dependant on the number of talent points you've
>> actually spent.
>>
>> Make a mistake in the tier 2 of your talent tree? No problem - it'll
>> be nice and cheap to go and rectify it.
>
> Or when you respec, you should be able to allocate the points then
> validate them, which would save you from the extra click that you didn't
> want to do that was all the fault of lag....

I used to have a mod to replace my talent trees, which included a mode
to plan your point-allocations. It was brilliant; but unfortunately has
not, as of yet, been updated for the 2.x client.
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"BombayMix" <bombaymix.TakeThisOut@altavista.co.uk> wrote in
news:1166096514.611815.283650@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:

> I reckon respecs should be as cheap as possible. They are a fun blocker
> if you ask me. Especially for healer, hybrid and tank. Pigeon holes you
> into a role, which you can't get out of with spending silly money
> respecting back and forth. It also stops builds experimenting.

I agree. I don't understand the point of charging for a respec. At most,
charge a small nominal sum, or put a cooldown on it. Right now, it's quite
difficult to experiment.
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Peter Knutsen wrote:
> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>
> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl
> 15-25, 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something
> like that.
>
> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
> level, people have plenty of money.
>

I don't know if that's such a great idea though. Is it really necessary
to respect so early in the game? If you've already messed up at level
10-15, then there's problems.

I kind of like the way it is now (1g is definitely not an issue anymore,
as I used to think it was!), but I'm sure there's plenty of room for
improvement.

All I can say is, when I first discovered that you actually *can* respec
and start over, I was amazed, because I figured a game like this
wouldn't even allow it at all.
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"Peter Knutsen" <peter.TakeThisOut@sagatafl.invalid> wrote in message
news:45810e21$0$175$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk...
> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
>
> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl 15-25,
> 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something like that.
>
> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
> level, people have plenty of money.

My level 28 mage respecced for 1g

--
Sue
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Sprite wrote:
> My level 28 mage respecced for 1g

Once, yes. The next time you respect it'll be 5 gold, then 10 gold, then
15 gold, then even more. If you do not respec for quite some time, the
respec cost will drop, but there is a "floor" of 10 gold, and the cost
will never drop below that.

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Peter Knutsen
sagatafl.org
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Sprite wrote:
> "John Salerno" <johnjsal DeleteThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45816a2f$0$32619$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> > Peter Knutsen wrote:
> >> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
> >> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
> >>
> >> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl 15-25,
> >> 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something like
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
> >> level, people have plenty of money.
> >>
> >
> > I don't know if that's such a great idea though. Is it really necessary to
> > respect so early in the game? If you've already messed up at level 10-15,
> > then there's problems.
>
> I did this, I respecced my druid at lvl 13. (I was a noob!!) I started
> going balance because it was a bit misleading, as it was all I did at the
> time really, shoot stuff. But then when you get the feral forms you see the
> importance a bit more.
>
> --
> Sue

I tend to agree with respeccing free, with a cool down between a week
and a month. I would love to learn if I made some mistakes in choosing
this tree - if there isn't now a better way for me to play. I don't
want to redo it everyday - but give me some time to play with a spec
and learn it, it would make me need less new content - just sharpening
your specialties would be great.

And how about letting us learn specialties of our crafts without
relearning everything? Say you are an Armoring Blacksmith, you could
choose to give up all that you learned, in armor only, to learn weapons
(not the basics like "Copper dagger" etc.) How about you could have
only 1 running specialty - thorasic surgeon vs pulmonologist. They
could charge money to change specialties, even professions. There are
times I wanted alchemist as a mage, but took tailoring and enchanting.

I have changed professions IRL and in general don't use the old skills,
but given time (i.e. money) I could hone those skills back to life; why
not in game?

Hamaka, Mistress of the Blue Flame
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Agree, it shouldn't cost a thing. I'm baffled why they put such a
severe limitation on actually trying to play the game and tweak your
character to how YOU like it.

Why they feel it necessary to force you into one decision on talent
trees is beyond me.


Hamaka wrote:
> Sprite wrote:
> > "John Salerno" <johnjsal DeleteThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:45816a2f$0$32619$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> > > Peter Knutsen wrote:
> > >> Or at least be influenced by it. It is easy to make bad choices, but no
> > >> matter how low level you are, the respec cost floor is 10 gold.
> > >>
> > >> I think the minimum should be 1 gold for lvl 10-15, 3 gold for lvl 15-25,
> > >> 5 gold for lvl 25-40 and 10 gold only for lvl 41+. Or something like
> > >> that.
> > >>
> > >> Heck, it could be rather higher than 10 gold for lvl 60. At such a high
> > >> level, people have plenty of money.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I don't know if that's such a great idea though. Is it really necessary to
> > > respect so early in the game? If you've already messed up at level 10-15,
> > > then there's problems.
> >
> > I did this, I respecced my druid at lvl 13. (I was a noob!!) I started
> > going balance because it was a bit misleading, as it was all I did at the
> > time really, shoot stuff. But then when you get the feral forms you see the
> > importance a bit more.
> >
> > --
> > Sue
>
> I tend to agree with respeccing free, with a cool down between a week
> and a month. I would love to learn if I made some mistakes in choosing
> this tree - if there isn't now a better way for me to play. I don't
> want to redo it everyday - but give me some time to play with a spec
> and learn it, it would make me need less new content - just sharpening
> your specialties would be great.
>
> And how about letting us learn specialties of our crafts without
> relearning everything? Say you are an Armoring Blacksmith, you could
> choose to give up all that you learned, in armor only, to learn weapons
> (not the basics like "Copper dagger" etc.) How about you could have
> only 1 running specialty - thorasic surgeon vs pulmonologist. They
> could charge money to change specialties, even professions. There are
> times I wanted alchemist as a mage, but took tailoring and enchanting.
>
> I have changed professions IRL and in general don't use the old skills,
> but given time (i.e. money) I could hone those skills back to life; why
> not in game?
>
> Hamaka, Mistress of the Blue Flame
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