New Raiding Guild

snowblade wrote:
> My guild is a medium size guild that primarily focuses on BG's with a few
> Grand Marshals in our midst. There are some in the guild that are
> discussing the idea to start recruiting players to begin the upward
> progression through the raid-level instances. Before we undertake such an
> effort, it would be nice to have a realistic assessment of the amount of
> effort/time it will take a raid-inexperienced guild to progress up through
> the raid instances to Naxx.
>
> For example:
>
> pre-MC - x months to get properly equipped
> MC - x months
> BWL - x months
> AQ40 - x months
> pre-Naxx - x months
> Naxx - ...
> and whatever else one might want to throw in
>
> Personally I believe it is in the guild's best interest to fully know the
> level of effort required before the guild undertakes the task. Just
> recently a member left to join a raiding guild because that was their
> interest. There were no hard feelings on anyone's part because we all know
> that we are a BG guild and if one wants to do MC+ raids they have to go
> elsewhere. Most likely we will remain a BG guild, but the discussion has
> come up.

BG FM gear is quite comparable to a lot of the epics in BWL. However if
you do take up MC and beyond, be prepared to drop BG for better or
worse. It took us 8 months to kill Ragnaros but the threshold is much
easier these days. We did BWL in 3-6 months and AQ to TE in about 2-3.

Since your guild is already mostly geared in epics (assuming FM + ZG +
AQ) you would probably finish MC in 2-3 months. You will also probably
have to go to ZG and AQ for some key loot that is not available
elsewhere.

So here's what I think
MC 3-4 months (if they listen or have a good experienced leader, < 1.5
months)
BWL 3-5 months
AQ 3-4 months
Naxx much longer

You must resist the temptation to skip Rag to go to BWL and skip BWL to
go to Naxx. You need the gear and experience to progress.
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If you have people with their Rank 12+ gear, then you are good into
Nefarian. Your guild should have no problem, aside from a few practice
attempts at each boss. You have the gear, and obviously the
coordination since you have a few high ranking PvPers. PvE is so easy
compared to PvP, extremely predicatable. People that are below Rank 12
will need a little MC loot, but not much.

Best way I could put it, if you have a 40 man raid of Rank 11-12+ gear,
you have the gear to run straight to Nefarian without any
issues...........aside from a tank with some really nice FR gear.


Caeryn Dryad of Whisperwind wrote:
> snowblade wrote:
> > My guild is a medium size guild that primarily focuses on BG's with a few
> > Grand Marshals in our midst. There are some in the guild that are
> > discussing the idea to start recruiting players to begin the upward
> > progression through the raid-level instances. Before we undertake such an
> > effort, it would be nice to have a realistic assessment of the amount of
> > effort/time it will take a raid-inexperienced guild to progress up through
> > the raid instances to Naxx.
> >
> > For example:
> >
> > pre-MC - x months to get properly equipped
> > MC - x months
> > BWL - x months
> > AQ40 - x months
> > pre-Naxx - x months
> > Naxx - ...
> > and whatever else one might want to throw in
> >
> > Personally I believe it is in the guild's best interest to fully know the
> > level of effort required before the guild undertakes the task. Just
> > recently a member left to join a raiding guild because that was their
> > interest. There were no hard feelings on anyone's part because we all know
> > that we are a BG guild and if one wants to do MC+ raids they have to go
> > elsewhere. Most likely we will remain a BG guild, but the discussion has
> > come up.
>
> BG FM gear is quite comparable to a lot of the epics in BWL. However if
> you do take up MC and beyond, be prepared to drop BG for better or
> worse. It took us 8 months to kill Ragnaros but the threshold is much
> easier these days. We did BWL in 3-6 months and AQ to TE in about 2-3.
>
> Since your guild is already mostly geared in epics (assuming FM + ZG +
> AQ) you would probably finish MC in 2-3 months. You will also probably
> have to go to ZG and AQ for some key loot that is not available
> elsewhere.
>
> So here's what I think
> MC 3-4 months (if they listen or have a good experienced leader, < 1.5
> months)
> BWL 3-5 months
> AQ 3-4 months
> Naxx much longer
>
> You must resist the temptation to skip Rag to go to BWL and skip BWL to
> go to Naxx. You need the gear and experience to progress.
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"snowblade" <nospam DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
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> My guild is a medium size guild that primarily focuses on BG's with a few
> Grand Marshals in our midst. There are some in the guild that are
> discussing the idea to start recruiting players to begin the upward
> progression through the raid-level instances. Before we undertake such an
> effort, it would be nice to have a realistic assessment of the amount of
> effort/time it will take a raid-inexperienced guild to progress up through
> the raid instances to Naxx.
>
> For example:
>
> pre-MC - x months to get properly equipped

As others have stated, PvP reward gear is going to stand you in good stead
for starting MC. The main thing is that you will want is...

a) someone who knows MC to guide you (you will need to learn the
encounters), and
b) to farm mats for FR gear for your MT, then OTs, then healers, then other
meleers, then ranged guys (in that order).

My rogue's guild went from pre-Luci to Rag-on-farm-status in 5 weeks. Mostly
because the GL and one of the officers knew the instance back to front. Also
helped that the OT came from another guild with most Dark Iron pieces (300FR
unbuffed) and took over as MT for the encounters that needed FR. Most of the
regular attendees had enough faction for aquaquintessense by the time we
were ready to take on Domo.


> MC - x months

Without the above, it's probably going to take 3 months or more to get MC to
farm status.

> BWL - x months

Hard to say. It can take *many* attempts just to get the Razorgore encounter
down pat. My advice would be to downlaod an instructional video on this
encounter.

AQ40 we haven't done much of, mostly we are trying to get geared up in BWL.
Naxxramas we haven't even looked in the door yet:)

--
Doc
'Virtute et armis!'

Llane server
60 Warrior
60 Rogue
60 Hunter
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On 11 Jul 2006 11:21:09 -0700, "Fullauto" <BamaZ28.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>If you have people with their Rank 12+ gear, then you are good into
>Nefarian.

I would beg to differ - at least on some of the classes.

Dps classes get some of the best gear in the game from rank 12-13, we
agree there - but...

Rank 12-13 priest gear has 12 mana/5secs and 0 spirit, the druid set
has 41 spirit, 0 mana/5secs and wastes half its stats on strength and
agility, and the shaman and paladin gear isn't much better - none of
those sets are very good PvE healing sets, tier0 might actually be
better...

Finally a warrior gets exactly 0 +defence from full rank 12-13 PvP
gear.

>aside from a tank with some really nice FR gear.

Most of the raid needs at least some FR gear, if nothing else then for
Vael. Getting nice amounts of FR gear for melee is also very good for
Ragnaros and Firemaw.

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Regards
Simon Nejmann
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