Qaidir's Leadership Quality's

On Jan 22, 4:09 pm, Pullen <mattp3... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> I built this trying to bleed without the help of a bleed disaplin.
> With Qaidir he give's me +1 bleed and three in clans at superior so
> he can bleed, stealth and be decent in combat. So far it's done ok but
> moves a littel slow.
>
> 12x Crypt
> 4x Qadir ul-Ghani
> 2x Zahir, HAnd Of Silsila
> 2x Yusuf, Scrib Of Almut
> 2x Abd al-Rashid
> 1x Tansu Bekir
>
> Master 14x
> 4x Blood Dolls
> 4x Storge Annex
> 1x Yoruba Shrine
> 1x Metro Underground
> 1x Channel 10
> 1x Market Square
> 1x WMRH Talk Radio
> 1x KRCG News Radio
>
> Actions 22x
> 6x Flurry of Action
> 4x Haqim's Law Leadership
> 3x Clandistin Contract
> 3x Web of Knifes Recurit
> 3x Khabar Glory
> 3x Loss
>
> Action modifer 22x
> 5x Cloak the gathering
> 5x Swallowed By The Night
> 4x Lost in Crowds
> 4x Faceless Night
> 2x Spying Mission
> 2x Blood Awakening
>
> Combat 23x
> 6x Taste of Death
> 6x Side Strike
> 5x Pursuit
> 3x Selective Silence
> 3x Taget Vitals
>
> Reaction 6x
> 4x Black Sunrise
> 1x Foul Blood
> 1x Roof Top Shadows
>
> Retaner
> 1x Tasha Morgan
>
> Allies
> 1x Calton van Wyk
>
> Eqiupment
> 1x Sports Bike

I didn't see this on the forums at www.thepathofblood.com. I invite
you stop by and post it there for the perusal of the fanatics.

What might be slowing you down is the classic discipline dichotomy
Assamite have always suffered. They have OBF for stealth to push
actions through and CEL (and now QUI) for combat, but the two kinda
cancel each other out. If you stealth push actions, you are
purposefully avoiding combat opportunities. If you stack combat, you
won't get actions through unless the table allows it.

What I see here is a fairly common distribution of combat and stealth
- equal amounts in about the 25 card range. This can be a pain in the
keister because you will find yourself wishing for a stealth card when
you have 6 combat cards, or have a bunch of actions and Masters but no
way to protect yourself.

If you are considering a tweak, decide which way you want to go:
Action success or bruise. If you want to get your actions through,
halve your combat module and make it as potent as you can, and as
short chain as you can (Weighted Walking Stick+Baal's Bloody Talons
and 3x Taste of Death, as an example). If you want to try bruising,
focus your actions on acquiring permanents (Laptops, retainers, etc)
to make most of your D actions cardless. All but eliminate your
stealth module (Swallowed by the Night and Spying Mission can still be
very useful, as can Mask of 1k Faces) and mix in some Combat Ousters
(Fame, Tension, etc) and a few more rushes to keep your hand moving.

These aren't huge changes, mind you. Just a tweak in approach to see
if you like it better.

And thanks for not using .44s. As a fanboy, I appreciate that.
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Pullen wrote:

> I built this trying to bleed without the help of a bleed disaplin.
> With Qaidir he give's me +1 bleed and three in clans at superior so
> he can bleed, stealth and be decent in combat. So far it's done ok but
> moves a littel slow.

Let me hazard a guess about the kind of environment you play in. Light
intercept (the media outlets you have) is often sufficient for defense,
combat is toolboxy (nobody running 30 Earth Melds) and people don't really
do weenie/spawn decks, so 4 wakes are sufficient to defend yourself.
Likewise, you're unlikely to see a deck where Arika banishes your best guy
at stealth and then bleeds you for 8.

Is that right? Because it if isn't, you should totally go back to the
drawing board. Any of those kinds of decks will oust you by turn 5 or so.

Assuming I'm right, let's focus on increasing your yield a little here to
make the deck better at ousting in your environment.

> 12x Crypt
> 4x Qadir ul-Ghani
> 2x Zahir, HAnd Of Silsila
> 2x Yusuf, Scrib Of Almut
> 2x Abd al-Rashid
> 1x Tansu Bekir

I'm not convinced that Qadir is worth the 9 pool. I know he has +1 bleed
and all your disciplines at superior, but you could get more guys if your
crypt size were smaller. That's better than having +1 bleed. Have you
looked at groups 4 and 5? There's a good selection of midcaps that have
your desired disciplines at superior.

> Master 14x
> 4x Blood Dolls
> 4x Storge Annex

I'm not so much seeing the use for these in this deck. What I really
think you could use here is 2-3 Fames. You have a pile of stealth and
some Clandestine Contracts. You can put a Fame on your prey's weakest
minion and rush past any blockers to score at least 4 pool damage on your
prey, or more, if you can manage to rescue/redunk that minion. That's a
great way to lunge in a deck like this.

> 1x Yoruba Shrine
> 1x Metro Underground
> 1x Channel 10
> 1x Market Square
> 1x WMRH Talk Radio
> 1x KRCG News Radio

Some kind of blood gain could be good, like the hunting ground at least.

> Actions 22x
> 6x Flurry of Action
> 4x Haqim's Law Leadership
> 3x Clandistin Contract
> 3x Web of Knifes Recurit
> 3x Khabar Glory
> 3x Loss

This seems to be a reasonable amount of bleed for a deck like this. I'm
concerned you might have a couple too many actions, but with the Flurries,
I guess it's okay. I think you might want to add some additional +bleed
stuff like a Laptop and a J.S. Simmons to go with your Flurries.

> Action modifer 22x
> 5x Cloak the gathering
> 5x Swallowed By The Night
> 4x Lost in Crowds
> 4x Faceless Night
> 2x Spying Mission
> 2x Blood Awakening

That's quite a lot of stealth. You need to consider your best method of
beating blockers. Is it by sneaking past them or is it by threatening to
beat them up? This could be the right call for your metagame. I would
probably reduce the number of stealth cards and increase the combat.

> Combat 23x
> 6x Taste of Death
> 6x Side Strike
> 5x Pursuit
> 3x Selective Silence
> 3x Taget Vitals

Not too bad for 23 cards, but it's not super-threatening to anyone who can
end combat, prevent damage or fight you repeatedly (making you use up your
combat).

> Reaction 6x
> 4x Black Sunrise
> 1x Foul Blood
> 1x Roof Top Shadows

Seems like not enough waking up to me, but if it works for you, then stick
with it.

> Retaner
> 1x Tasha Morgan
>
> Allies
> 1x Calton van Wyk
>
> Eqiupment
> 1x Sports Bike
>

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On Jan 23, 4:29 am, Salem <salem_christ.....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Morgan Vening wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:54:48 +1100, Salem
> > <salem_christ.....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>XZealot wrote:
> >>> On Jan 22, 3:09 pm, Pullen <mattp3....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> I built this trying to bleed without the help of a bleed disaplin.
> >>>> With Qaidir he give's me +1 bleed and three in clans at superior so
> >>>> he can bleed, stealth and be decent in combat. So far it's done ok but
> >>>> moves a littel slow.
>
> >>>> 12x Crypt
> >>>> 4x Qadir ul-Ghani
>
> >>> Minion Tap + Concert Tour FTW!
>
> >>...but by then he'd be running three OUT-of-clan disciplines! No deck
> >>works with 3 out of clan disciplines....
>
> > Why would you need to? If you're running Qadir in Star Vampire
> > numbers, and using Obfuscate and combat modules, Concert Tour is no
> > longer needing anything but Qadir.
>
> Obfuscate isn't a Daughter's clan discipline. Neither is Qui or Cel.

The only daughter's card you are using is concert tour and only on
Qadir. The rest of the deck is pure assamite, which even Qadir can
play. Take this deck idea for example.

Deck Name : Qadir gets hooked on Quack
Author : Norman S. Brown Jr
Description :



Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 9 average: 6.41667
------------------------------------------------------------

5x Qadir ul-Ghani 9 CEL OBF QUI nec tha Assamite:2
1x Jalal Sayad 6 CEL QUI pot Assamite:2
1x Kalinda 6 CEL OBF tha Assamite:2
1x Abd al-Rashid 5 CEL QUI obf Assamite:2
1x Yusuf, Scribe of A 5 CEL aus obf qui Assamite:2
1x Anwar 4 cel obf qui Assamite:2
1x Parmenides 4 CEL qui Assamite:2
1x Kanya Akhtar 2 cel Assamite:2


Library [90 cards]
------------------------------------------------------------

Action [20]
3x Clandestine Contract
8x Concert Tour
3x Khabar: Glory
3x Loss
3x Web of Knives Recruit

Action Modifier [12]
4x Cloak the Gathering
4x Faceless Night
2x Lost in Crowds
2x Spying Mission

Action Modifier/Combat [4]
4x Swallowed by the Night

Action Modifier/Reaction [2]
2x Blood Awakening

Ally [1]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)

Combat [26]
5x Pursuit
3x Selective Silence
5x Side Strike
3x Target Vitals
6x Taste of Death
4x Zip Gun

Equipment [1]
1x Sport Bike

Master [18]
1x Channel 10
3x Effective Management
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Market Square
1x Metro Underground
8x Minion Tap
1x Storage Annex
1x WMRH Talk Radio
1x Yoruba Shrine

Reaction [5]
4x Black Sunrise
1x Foul Blood

Retainer [1]
1x Tasha Morgan


Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Wed Jan 23 08:57:46 2008]

Comments Welcome,
Norman S.Brown, Jr
XZealot
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XZealot wrote:
> On Jan 22, 3:09 pm, Pullen <mattp3....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I built this trying to bleed without the help of a bleed disaplin.
>> With Qaidir he give's me +1 bleed and three in clans at superior so
>> he can bleed, stealth and be decent in combat. So far it's done ok but
>> moves a littel slow.
>>
>> 12x Crypt
>> 4x Qadir ul-Ghani

> Minion Tap + Concert Tour FTW!
>

....but by then he'd be running three OUT-of-clan disciplines! No deck
works with 3 out of clan disciplines....

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:54:48 +1100, Salem
<salem_christ.geo.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

>XZealot wrote:
>> On Jan 22, 3:09 pm, Pullen <mattp3....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I built this trying to bleed without the help of a bleed disaplin.
>>> With Qaidir he give's me +1 bleed and three in clans at superior so
>>> he can bleed, stealth and be decent in combat. So far it's done ok but
>>> moves a littel slow.
>>>
>>> 12x Crypt
>>> 4x Qadir ul-Ghani
>
>> Minion Tap + Concert Tour FTW!
>>
>
>...but by then he'd be running three OUT-of-clan disciplines! No deck
>works with 3 out of clan disciplines....

Why would you need to? If you're running Qadir in Star Vampire
numbers, and using Obfuscate and combat modules, Concert Tour is no
longer needing anything but Qadir.

Morgan Vening
*shakes sarcasm meter* I wonder if it's broken?
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Morgan Vening wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:54:48 +1100, Salem
> <salem_christ.geo.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>XZealot wrote:
>>> On Jan 22, 3:09 pm, Pullen <mattp3....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I built this trying to bleed without the help of a bleed disaplin.
>>>> With Qaidir he give's me +1 bleed and three in clans at superior so
>>>> he can bleed, stealth and be decent in combat. So far it's done ok but
>>>> moves a littel slow.
>>>>
>>>> 12x Crypt
>>>> 4x Qadir ul-Ghani
>>
>>> Minion Tap + Concert Tour FTW!
>>>
>>
>>...but by then he'd be running three OUT-of-clan disciplines! No deck
>>works with 3 out of clan disciplines....
>
> Why would you need to? If you're running Qadir in Star Vampire
> numbers, and using Obfuscate and combat modules, Concert Tour is no
> longer needing anything but Qadir.

Obfuscate isn't a Daughter's clan discipline. Neither is Qui or Cel.

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