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Since: Jun 03, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 8:09 pm
Post subject: Programming language Choices....
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I have set a goal of long range programming a RL as a "learn a language
and relearn programming"
Have a minor in CS, but have not programmed in about 4 years. I would
prefer to do OO programming, but I must decide on which language I
should learn. I have a Windows/linux duel boot box, though the main
development will be in linux.
Some of my Options are
Java - Have experince in Java programming, and also it has Garbage
Collection, which is a good thing.
C++ - Powerful, but have not programmed in it, and I would have to be
careful for memory leaks
Python - Easy to use, but there might be speed issues
Pascal - Don't know much about this one.
C - lacking OO style programming.
But is there any discussion on what you would recommend for
programming? I am not asking for the feared "Whats your Fav.
language" but I am wondering what would be a good language for me to
program with, and also would be good for in the long range making a
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Since: Sep 08, 2006
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:55 am
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DrGong schrieb:
> I have set a goal of long range programming a RL as a "learn a language
> and relearn programming"
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> Have a minor in CS, but have not programmed in about 4 years. I would
> prefer to do OO programming, but I must decide on which language I
> should learn. I have a Windows/linux duel boot box, though the main
> development will be in linux.
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> Some of my Options are
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> Java - Have experince in Java programming, and also it has Garbage
> Collection, which is a good thing.
> C++ - Powerful, but have not programmed in it, and I would have to be
> careful for memory leaks
> Python - Easy to use, but there might be speed issues
> Pascal - Don't know much about this one.
> C - lacking OO style programming.
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> But is there any discussion on what you would recommend for
> programming? I am not asking for the feared "Whats your Fav.
> language" but I am wondering what would be a good language for me to
> program with, and also would be good for in the long range making a
> RL....
Lame troll, very lame. |
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Since: Apr 28, 2006
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:13 am
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DrGong wrote:
> I have set a goal of long range programming a RL as a "learn a language
> and relearn programming"
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[snip]
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> But is there any discussion on what you would recommend for
> programming? I am not asking for the feared "Whats your Fav.
> language" but I am wondering what would be a good language for me to
> program with, and also would be good for in the long range making a
> RL....
If you want to know to what questions like this often lead just search
this newsgroup for threads containing words "programming", "language"
and maybe add "best". Even if we try very hard not to start holy flame
wars probablility is still very high.
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Michal Bielinski >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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Since: Jul 13, 2005
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:31 am
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Michal Bielinski wrote:
> Even if we try very hard not to start holy flame
> wars probablility is still very high.
I wonder why it is so. After all, programming languages should
be tools, not something we are in love with. My humble opinion
is that C++ has flexibility over more stricter OOP languages
which is a nice thing. OOP is the proper way to go anyway,
because it was invented for large projects in the first place.
Some people just don't get it. It's their problem.
I don't want to hear someone telling "major roguelikes were
written in C". Of course they were, because C++ was not yet
invented in those ancient times! And because C was more
common in those times. Not better, just more common, and
ancient developers were naturally programming in the
language they already knew. Learning and mastering
OOP can take some time, but in the end it's superior to
procedural programming. >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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Since: Sep 02, 2006
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:36 am
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DrGong wrote:
> But is there any discussion on what you would recommend for
> programming? I am not asking for the feared "Whats your Fav.
> language" but I am wondering what would be a good language for me to
> program with, and also would be good for in the long range making a
> RL....
It's such a personal choice. I mean, for me, I love python because
something about the syntax just clicks with me. C++ aggravates me to
no end, and I am pretty meh on java. Pascal I have a fondness for
because I wrote so much Pascal code when I was a kid and into my first
couple of years in university. But when I started with python I fell
in love pretty much right away. I couldn't tell you exactly why it's
just the language in which things make sense to me. It boils down to
taste and opinion.
There are some practical considerations, library availability, etc.,
but people have done roguelike projects in all the languages you listed
so it's obviously possible to do RLs in any of them.
You're best bet is to try a few different languages, do a few toy or
small projects and see which language really agrees with you. >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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Since: Feb 07, 2006
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:55 am
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"DrGong" <Drgong1.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1159585773.142267.32770@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I have set a goal of long range programming a RL as a "learn a language
<snip>
> But is there any discussion on what you would recommend for
> programming? I am not asking for the feared "Whats your Fav.
> I am wondering what would be a good language for me to
> program with, and also would be good for in the long range making a
> RL....
If you can't decide for yourself I don't think programming is for you.
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Elsairon >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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Since: Sep 10, 2006
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:55 am
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On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 04:31:29 -0700, Krice wrote:
> I wonder why it is so. After all, programming languages should
> be tools, not something we are in love with. My humble opinion
Ok and then ....
[snip C++]
> ancient developers were naturally programming in the
> language they already knew. Learning and mastering
> OOP can take some time, but in the end it's superior to
> procedural programming.
You sound in love no ?  >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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Since: Sep 03, 2006
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:14 am
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Elsairon wrote:
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> "DrGong" <Drgong1 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1159585773.142267.32770@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>I have set a goal of long range programming a RL as a "learn a language
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> <snip>
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>> But is there any discussion on what you would recommend for
>> programming? I am not asking for the feared "Whats your Fav.
>> I am wondering what would be a good language for me to
>> program with, and also would be good for in the long range making a
>> RL....
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> If you can't decide for yourself I don't think programming is for you.
A decision has to be based on information. DrGong tries to collect
information to come to a decision then. Asking other people about their
experiences with languages belongs to this process. So your statement seems
somehow stupid to me. How did you decide yourself for a language? Just by
trying several languages and reading books?
Mario
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Welcome to a lost, apocalyptic, magic, beautiful, dark and absurd world
http://donick.net/lambdarogue.html >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:32 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:55 pm
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At 30 Sep 2006 10:32:02 -0700,
Gamer_2k4 wrote:
>> How did you decide yourself for a language? Just by
>> trying several languages and reading books?
> That's how I figured out what language was best for me.
I'm still looking 
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Radomir `The Sheep' Dopieralski
"Computer Science is no more about computers than
astronomy is about telescopes." [Edsger Wybe Dijkstra] >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:17 pm
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Gamer_2k4 wrote:
>> How did you decide yourself for a language? Just by
>> trying several languages and reading books?
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> That's how I figured out what language was best for me.
That's of course a good way, but nevertheless one can also ask others for
their experiences. This shouldn't be neglected in the way "if you can't
decide yourself how to do a certain task, you shouldn't even try to start
with the task". This is not good.
Mario
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Welcome to a lost, apocalyptic, magic, beautiful, dark and absurd world
http://donick.net/lambdarogue.html >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 8:55 pm
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"Mario Donick" <mariodonick.TakeThisOut@arcor.de> wrote in message
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> Elsairon wrote:
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>> "DrGong" <Drgong1.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1159585773.142267.32770@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>I have set a goal of long range programming a RL as a "learn a language
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> But is there any discussion on what you would recommend for
>>> programming? I am not asking for the feared "Whats your Fav.
>>> I am wondering what would be a good language for me to
>>> program with, and also would be good for in the long range making a
>>> RL....
>>
>> If you can't decide for yourself I don't think programming is for you.
>
> A decision has to be based on information. DrGong tries to collect
> information to come to a decision then. Asking other people about their
> experiences with languages belongs to this process. So your statement
> seems
> somehow stupid to me.
Reading what I wrote last night, I agree with you.
> How did you decide yourself for a language? Just by
> trying several languages and reading books?
>
> Mario
I decided to use the one I know best. If I can't get the results I need
(which has not happened yet) then I'll switch.
I focus on the results and game design. For me the language
is just a tool. I use the one that I have the most skill with.
My point was less about gathering information, and more about self
motivation. I see now that this was not explicit in what I said.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:21 am
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> > Even if we try very hard not to start holy flame
> > wars probablility is still very high.
> I wonder why it is so. After all, programming languages should
> be tools, not something we are in love with.
And you would want a fellow developer to use the wrong tool, would you?
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:55 am
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Gamer_2k4 wrote:
> And you would want a fellow developer to use the wrong tool, would you?
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Certainly not. I had a wrong tool (procedural C) for about 7-8 years
so I guess I have some experience of using a wrong tool. And
I'm willing to share that experience and recommend OOP. >> Stay informed about: Programming language Choices.... |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 4:49 am
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