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Since: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 988
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:35 pm
Post subject: Processors and Motherboards. Archived from groups: alt>games>microsoft>flight-sim (more info?)
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Hi Guys,
For those of you who have been following my recent postings regarding
the purchase of a new computer, the builders have offered the following
changes in the new, new computer. (I am not letting go of the original
until the new one is here, up and running to my satisfaction.)
However, not knowing a great deal about the components I am confused
about the processor on offer; is this new E8200 better than a quad core?
The motherboard seems OK, as Google research shows it will support quad
core, but from my limited knowledge this E8200 is only duo core.
Below is an extract from the email I have just received,
"With regard to changes, they are as follows:-
Motherboard change to ASUS P5K SE INTEL P35 CHIPSET
Processor change to the Intel E8200 chip (This is the latest 45nm
technology processor from Intel). We don't even have it for sale on our
website yet as it is so new."
So my question is, am I getting a good (free) deal with what they are
offering, or should I insist on quad core?
As usual all your help is greatly appreciated.
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MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK.
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Since: Feb 13, 2008 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:35 pm
Post subject: Re: Processors and Motherboards. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Mar 3, 1:35 pm, "MikeW" <Mi... RemoveThis @spammenot.con> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> For those of you who have been following my recent postings regarding
> the purchase of a new computer, the builders have offered the following
> changes in the new, new computer. (I am not letting go of the original
> until the new one is here, up and running to my satisfaction.)
>
> However, not knowing a great deal about the components I am confused
> about the processor on offer; is this new E8200 better than a quad core?
> The motherboard seems OK, as Google research shows it will support quad
> core, but from my limited knowledge this E8200 is only duo core.
>
> Below is an extract from the email I have just received,
>
> "With regard to changes, they are as follows:-
> Motherboard change to ASUS P5K SE INTEL P35 CHIPSET
> Processor change to the Intel E8200 chip (This is the latest 45nm
> technology processor from Intel). We don't even have it for sale on our
> website yet as it is so new."
>
> So my question is, am I getting a good (free) deal with what they are
> offering, or should I insist on quad core?
> As usual all your help is greatly appreciated.
> --
> MikeW
> Shrewsbury, UK.
> If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the "terminal"?
I just had a quick look on it and whilst not being too big an expert I
see they are slightly better than the standard Core 2 Duos due to them
having 6mb L2 Cache whereas my E6850 has only 4.
The E8200 runs at 2.66mhz and has an FSB of 1333mhz compared to the
Q6600 (quad) of 1066mhz. The 8200 certainly should run better then
the previous generation of Core 2 Duos which still are very good. To
be honest I dont know how much faster the Core 2 Quad will run due to
the reduced clock speed per core and lower FSB speed.
My supplier quotes
£115+vat for E8200 (2.66, 6mb cache 1333 fsb)
£139+vat for Q6600 (2.40, 8mb cache, 1066 fsb)
or you could push them for the E8400
£149+vat (3.00, 6mb cache, 1333 fsb)
One thing I do know is the higher the fsb the greater bandwidth
available. Whether this will benefit greater in FSX using an extra 2
cores at a lower fsb and core speed I do not know. They may balance
out
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Since: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 48
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:35 pm
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Yep, I'd go for the new 8200 - 45 nm technology, runs cooler, and overclocks
well if you ever get into that.
The quads are still 65 nm, as the 45's have not been released yet, but they
are coming soo.
Your choice, but if it were me and I was deciding with what is available to
me today, I would go for the 8200.
Good luck,
Don
"MikeW" <MikeW.TakeThisOut@spammenot.con> wrote in message
news:vKadnVhmvZEZY1banZ2dnUVZ8tmhnZ2d@bt.com...
> Hi Guys,
>
> For those of you who have been following my recent postings regarding the
> purchase of a new computer, the builders have offered the following
> changes in the new, new computer. (I am not letting go of the original
> until the new one is here, up and running to my satisfaction.)
>
> However, not knowing a great deal about the components I am confused about
> the processor on offer; is this new E8200 better than a quad core? The
> motherboard seems OK, as Google research shows it will support quad core,
> but from my limited knowledge this E8200 is only duo core.
>
> Below is an extract from the email I have just received,
>
> "With regard to changes, they are as follows:-
> Motherboard change to ASUS P5K SE INTEL P35 CHIPSET
> Processor change to the Intel E8200 chip (This is the latest 45nm
> technology processor from Intel). We don't even have it for sale on our
> website yet as it is so new."
>
> So my question is, am I getting a good (free) deal with what they are
> offering, or should I insist on quad core?
> As usual all your help is greatly appreciated.
> --
> MikeW
> Shrewsbury, UK.
> If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the "terminal"?
>
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Since: Apr 18, 2007 Posts: 396
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:35 pm
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On Mar 3, 12:42 pm, "MikeW" <Mi... RemoveThis @spammenot.con> wrote:
> Thanks Don, from what you and others have said so far, it looks like I
> will go for the 8200. I wanted to be sure I wasn't being ripped off!
Yeah, but does it have flashing blue lights and lotsa fans??? : )
Arthur
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Since: Feb 10, 2007 Posts: 384
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:40 pm
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MikeW wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> For those of you who have been following my recent postings regarding
> the purchase of a new computer, the builders have offered the
> following changes in the new, new computer. (I am not letting go of
> the original until the new one is here, up and running to my
> satisfaction.)
>
> However, not knowing a great deal about the components I am confused
> about the processor on offer; is this new E8200 better than a quad
> core? The motherboard seems OK, as Google research shows it will
> support quad core, but from my limited knowledge this E8200 is only
> duo core.
>
> Below is an extract from the email I have just received,
>
> "With regard to changes, they are as follows:-
> Motherboard change to ASUS P5K SE INTEL P35 CHIPSET
> Processor change to the Intel E8200 chip (This is the latest 45nm
> technology processor from Intel). We don't even have it for sale on
> our website yet as it is so new."
>
> So my question is, am I getting a good (free) deal with what they are
> offering, or should I insist on quad core? As usual all your help is
> greatly appreciated.
I reckon I'd push for quad core. See this link:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-wolfdale.html
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Crash Lander. (a.k.a. Chris in Oz)
Straight and Level Down Under Forum.
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Since: Feb 13, 2008 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:25 pm
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Although the speed of each
> individual processor in the quad core may be slower, the overall effect
> is faster processing.
I know with FSX's service pack releases it now utilises more than a
single core, does it use the four cores yet?
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Since: Feb 13, 2008 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:29 pm
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Since: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 988
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:32 pm
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Since: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 988
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:37 pm
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Ibby wrote:
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> One thing I do know is the higher the fsb the greater bandwidth
> available. Whether this will benefit greater in FSX using an extra 2
> cores at a lower fsb and core speed I do not know. They may balance
> out
Thanks Ibby, that's very useful. As I now understand it there is not a
great deal of difference. At least I know they are not trying to rip me
off for a second time.
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MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK.
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Since: Sep 08, 2006 Posts: 617
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:37 pm
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On 3/3/2008 9:32 AM, MikeW went clickity clack on the keyboard and
produced this interesting bit of text:
> Crash Lander wrote:
>> I reckon I'd push for quad core. See this link:
>> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/intel-wolfdale.html
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> Thanks mate! There is certainly some good reading in there, but the more
> I got into it the more confused I became. Still undecided at the moment.
> Much appreciated.
I'm with Crash Lander on this one. Although the speed of each
individual processor in the quad core may be slower, the overall effect
is faster processing.
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Since: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 988
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:42 pm
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Don B wrote:
> Yep, I'd go for the new 8200 - 45 nm technology, runs cooler, and
> overclocks well if you ever get into that.
>
> The quads are still 65 nm, as the 45's have not been released yet,
> but they are coming soo.
>
> Your choice, but if it were me and I was deciding with what is
> available to me today, I would go for the 8200.
>
> Good luck,
>
Thanks Don, from what you and others have said so far, it looks like I
will go for the 8200. I wanted to be sure I wasn't being ripped off!
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MikeW
Shrewsbury, UK.
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Since: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 48
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:42 pm
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"MikeW" <MikeW.TakeThisOut@spammenot.con> wrote in message
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> Don B wrote:
>> Yep, I'd go for the new 8200 - 45 nm technology, runs cooler, and
>> overclocks well if you ever get into that.
>>
>> The quads are still 65 nm, as the 45's have not been released yet,
>> but they are coming soo.
>>
>> Your choice, but if it were me and I was deciding with what is
>> available to me today, I would go for the 8200.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
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> Thanks Don, from what you and others have said so far, it looks like I
> will go for the 8200. I wanted to be sure I wasn't being ripped off!
> --
Good choice.
And down the road, if and when you upgrade, the 45nm quads will be in
plentiful supply and cheaper then as well, and you should be able to just
drop one right in.
If my E6600 wasn't performing so well for me, I would go ahead and grab one
of those 8200's as well, but for now it is doing well and I can wait for the
new quads.
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Since: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 988
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:06 pm
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Vernon Balbert wrote:
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> I'm with Crash Lander on this one. Although the speed of each
> individual processor in the quad core may be slower, the overall
> effect is faster processing.
Thanks Vernon.
I have decided to go with the 8200 45nm. You are probably correct in
your statement above, I just don't know enough of this new technology
(or the old stuff) to differ.
The main reason for my question was to make sure I was not going to get
ripped off. I don't mind a slight difference in performance between the
duo or the quad, and at least the motherboard will accept quad core if I
feel the need to upgrade in the future.
Many thanks.
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Shrewsbury, UK.
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Since: Sep 08, 2006 Posts: 617
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:06 pm
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On 3/3/2008 10:06 AM, MikeW went clickity clack on the keyboard and
produced this interesting bit of text:
> Vernon Balbert wrote:
>
>> I'm with Crash Lander on this one. Although the speed of each
>> individual processor in the quad core may be slower, the overall
>> effect is faster processing.
>
> Thanks Vernon.
> I have decided to go with the 8200 45nm. You are probably correct in
> your statement above, I just don't know enough of this new technology
> (or the old stuff) to differ.
>
> The main reason for my question was to make sure I was not going to get
> ripped off. I don't mind a slight difference in performance between the
> duo or the quad, and at least the motherboard will accept quad core if I
> feel the need to upgrade in the future.
> Many thanks.
Either way, you're not going to have problems. The newer processor
sounds like a winner as well. At this point we're almost nit-picking.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:15 pm
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MikeW skrev:
> Hi Guys,
>
> For those of you who have been following my recent postings regarding
> the purchase of a new computer, the builders have offered the following
> changes in the new, new computer. (I am not letting go of the original
> until the new one is here, up and running to my satisfaction.)
>
> However, not knowing a great deal about the components I am confused
> about the processor on offer; is this new E8200 better than a quad core?
> The motherboard seems OK, as Google research shows it will support quad
> core, but from my limited knowledge this E8200 is only duo core.
>
> Below is an extract from the email I have just received,
>
> "With regard to changes, they are as follows:-
> Motherboard change to ASUS P5K SE INTEL P35 CHIPSET
> Processor change to the Intel E8200 chip (This is the latest 45nm
> technology processor from Intel). We don't even have it for sale on our
> website yet as it is so new."
>
> So my question is, am I getting a good (free) deal with what they are
> offering, or should I insist on quad core?
> As usual all your help is greatly appreciated.
No need for quad core, they are only for keeping the temperature down,
while pressed to the limit. The new 45nm technology is doing the same,
so no extra cores are needed.
Extra L1 and L2 cache is good (very good), and faster FSB is also a very
good thing.
Go for it  )
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