Problem Playing PAL ROM on NTSC

> I'm trying to check out the smurfs game that was made for the
> megadrive.
> OK, well that must sound pathetic, but it looks like a cute
> sidescroller

It's actually very good, as is the Mega CD version.

> I went and downloaded the rom. I've tried playing the ROM on two
> different
> emulators. Doesn't work. I remember playing WORMS on an emulator, so
> this one should work too. Both are PAL. When the game loads you just
> see a smurf standing there with a message about the game being PAL
> only.
> Aren't the emulators able to switch the video output back and forth
> from PAL to NTSC?

As long as you have the emulator set to "Auto" in the Region settings
*and* have a PAL bios, you should be fine. What emu are you using? I'd
go with Gens, Kega Fusion or Gens Surreal...

Bel
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> So far I have tried Gens and Xega or whatever it is called. Same
> problem with both.
>
> I might give it a whirl with the Dreamcast GenPlus emulator. I'm
> finding that to be the best.

Oh wait, you're using a DC Genesis emulator? Ugh, there's your problem
right there...

> I was fooling around with it tonight and I found that it does a much
> better job with Double Dragon than Gens does. You just have to switch
> your CPU type at the startup screen to the non-default.

I've not had a good experience with pretty much any of them. To me, it
seems like the only two systems the DC has done flawlessly was the NES
and SMS. Anything 16 bit and it just chokes. Not sure if it's the
programming or the system's fault.

> The only problem with this is the controller. I don't really like the
> Dreamcast controller at all. It's a poor substitute for a Gen
> controller. I wish I could find one of those street fighter pads
> locally so I could check out the buttons and what not. Maybe I'll just
> break down and order the dreamcast adapter for my X-Arcade stick.

There's an adapter that will allow you to use Saturn pads on your
Dreamcast, and that's great. It's exactly like the Genesis pad, just
bigger...and with two shoulder buttons.

Bel
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On Dec 30, 1:56 pm, BelPowerslave <b....TakeThisOut@whipassgaming.com> wrote:
> > So far I have tried Gens and Xega or whatever it is called. Same
> > problem with both.
>
> > I might give it a whirl with the Dreamcast GenPlus emulator. I'm
> > finding that to be the best.
>
> Oh wait, you're using a DC Genesis emulator? Ugh, there's your problem
> right there...
>
> > I was fooling around with it tonight and I found that it does a much
> > better job with Double Dragon than Gens does. You just have to switch
> > your CPU type at the startup screen to the non-default.
>
> I've not had a good experience with pretty much any of them. To me, it
> seems like the only two systems the DC has done flawlessly was the NES
> and SMS. Anything 16 bit and it just chokes. Not sure if it's the
> programming or the system's fault.

That's very odd. I'm having great luck with GenPlus. Last night I
burned a
Moonwalker CD. I haven't played the game before so I couldn't tell you
if
the emulation is spot on or not, but it is running quite smoothly and
looks really good.
Got SOR 3 running smoothly too, as well as Speedball 2, and Double
Dragon.
GenPlus is a kickass emulator in my opinion.

>
> > The only problem with this is the controller. I don't really like the
> > Dreamcast controller at all. It's a poor substitute for a Gen
> > controller. I wish I could find one of those street fighter pads
> > locally so I could check out the buttons and what not. Maybe I'll just
> > break down and order the dreamcast adapter for my X-Arcade stick.
>
> There's an adapter that will allow you to use Saturn pads on your
> Dreamcast, and that's great. It's exactly like the Genesis pad, just
> bigger...and with two shoulder buttons.
>
> Bel
> --
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>
> "We aim to try."
> - Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911

These adapters are killing me. It never ends!

dos-man
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On Dec 31, 3:08 pm, BelPowerslave <b... RemoveThis @whipassgaming.com> wrote:
> > That's very odd. I'm having great luck with GenPlus. Last night I
> > burned a
> > Moonwalker CD. I haven't played the game before so I couldn't tell you
> > if
> > the emulation is spot on or not, but it is running quite smoothly and
> > looks really good.
> > Got SOR 3 running smoothly too, as well as Speedball 2, and Double
> > Dragon.
> > GenPlus is a kickass emulator in my opinion.
>
> Well, but none of those are really pushing the Genesis. Try something
> like The Adventures of Batman and Robin, or Red Zone and see how that goes.
>

I would think that SOR 3 is pushing it. There's always a ton of guys
on the screen running riot.
I need to try populous on it. That seems to push the system in my
opinion. God knows why
I'll download it tonight and give it a shot.

>
> I'm currently in the same situation, I'm thinking of selling off my NES
> and all my games and just going with emulation on the DC of the NES.
> Nester has some issues, and with some of my favorite games, so I am
> going to try this "Nester SE" which is said to be 99.9% perfect. Once I
> can confirm it works with all my favorites, I'll probably ditch the NES.
> It's the testing that's the killer...

Yeah, I don't buy a lot of early Nintendo stuff, although I'd never
get rid of my systems
no matter how many clones I get. I've got a stack of about 40 NES
games and only about
10 SNES games. The reason isn't because I can play the games on
emulators. Fact is
there's too much stuff for one person to collect from. From a
collector's standpoint you have
to just pick one or two systems that you like and collect from them. I
mostly do n64 stuff
and a little bit of genesis action here and there. Those are my two
favorite systems.

> >>> The only problem with this is the controller. I don't really like the
> >>> Dreamcast controller at all. It's a poor substitute for a Gen
> >>> controller. I wish I could find one of those street fighter pads
> >>> locally so I could check out the buttons and what not. Maybe I'll just
> >>> break down and order the dreamcast adapter for my X-Arcade stick.
> >> There's an adapter that will allow you to use Saturn pads on your
> >> Dreamcast, and that's great. It's exactly like the Genesis pad, just
> >> bigger...and with two shoulder buttons.
>
> > These adapters are killing me. It never ends!
>
> Well, think of this as that last link in the chain. Once you get this
> adapter, it kills the needs for a good pad for fighting games on the DC,
> the needs for a good controller for *any* given emu on the DC and the
> fact that it also allows you to use a PSX controller, you have something
> for Bleemcast! games and hacks. Plus, the adapter also has a PS-2 port
> for keyboard input, which means you could use it for Typing of the Dead.
> Not too bad, like I said, it's an all-in-one adapter.
>
> Bel
> --
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>
> "We aim to try."
> - Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911
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On Dec 31, 9:16 pm, BelPowerslave <b... RemoveThis @whipassgaming.com> wrote:
> > I would think that SOR 3 is pushing it. There's always a ton of guys
> > on the screen running riot.
>
> Well, it pushes the Genesis more than, say, SoR1...but it doesn't really
> do any special effects, it just features a lot of sprites(something the
> Genesis really never had any issue with). Watch, once you see Batman and
> Robin, or Red Zone, you'll see what I mean in terms of special effects.

I downloaded the Adventures of Batman and Robin. It's a 1 megabyte
ROM. I burned it in on a CD for GenPlusDC.
I compared it to the windows emulator, Gens. I'm not seeing any
appreciable difference between the two.

I'll email you a link to the Discjuggler CDI image. Then you can burn
it on a CD and load it into the dreamcast, and give it a try for
yourself. It's a 2 meg zip file.

>
> > I need to try populous on it. That seems to push the system in my
> > opinion. God knows why
> > I'll download it tonight and give it a shot.
>
> Yeah, I don't know about that...it was almost a launch title, so I doubt
> it does a whole lot in terms of pushing anything. What you may be
> thinking of is the choppy-ass scrolling that pretty much all EA games have.

Populous is a go. You just have to set Video option from HW to SW.
If you fail to do that, The hand cursor acts real quirky.

Dos-Man
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> That's very odd. I'm having great luck with GenPlus. Last night I
> burned a
> Moonwalker CD. I haven't played the game before so I couldn't tell you
> if
> the emulation is spot on or not, but it is running quite smoothly and
> looks really good.
> Got SOR 3 running smoothly too, as well as Speedball 2, and Double
> Dragon.
> GenPlus is a kickass emulator in my opinion.

Well, but none of those are really pushing the Genesis. Try something
like The Adventures of Batman and Robin, or Red Zone and see how that goes.

I will admit it's been a while since I've seen a Genesis emulator on the
DC, but the last time I had, it was horrible. I can't imagine that it
got much better over the years(the SNES emus certainly didn't), but if
it's adequate for what you're playing, go with it, just be aware that
you'll most likely run in to more issues like you have with Smurfs and
whatnot.

I'm currently in the same situation, I'm thinking of selling off my NES
and all my games and just going with emulation on the DC of the NES.
Nester has some issues, and with some of my favorite games, so I am
going to try this "Nester SE" which is said to be 99.9% perfect. Once I
can confirm it works with all my favorites, I'll probably ditch the NES.
It's the testing that's the killer...

>>> The only problem with this is the controller. I don't really like the
>>> Dreamcast controller at all. It's a poor substitute for a Gen
>>> controller. I wish I could find one of those street fighter pads
>>> locally so I could check out the buttons and what not. Maybe I'll just
>>> break down and order the dreamcast adapter for my X-Arcade stick.
>> There's an adapter that will allow you to use Saturn pads on your
>> Dreamcast, and that's great. It's exactly like the Genesis pad, just
>> bigger...and with two shoulder buttons.
>>
>
> These adapters are killing me. It never ends!

Well, think of this as that last link in the chain. Once you get this
adapter, it kills the needs for a good pad for fighting games on the DC,
the needs for a good controller for *any* given emu on the DC and the
fact that it also allows you to use a PSX controller, you have something
for Bleemcast! games and hacks. Plus, the adapter also has a PS-2 port
for keyboard input, which means you could use it for Typing of the Dead.
Not too bad, like I said, it's an all-in-one adapter.

Bel
--
Whip Ass Gaming: http://www.whipassgaming.com/

"We aim to try."
- Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911
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> Well, think of this as that last link in the chain. Once you get this
> adapter, it kills the needs for a good pad for fighting games on the DC,
> the needs for a good controller for *any* given emu on the DC and the
> fact that it also allows you to use a PSX controller, you have something
> for Bleemcast! games and hacks. Plus, the adapter also has a PS-2 port
> for keyboard input, which means you could use it for Typing of the Dead.
> Not too bad, like I said, it's an all-in-one adapter.

Oh, it also lets you use steering wheels too.

Bel
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> I would think that SOR 3 is pushing it. There's always a ton of guys
> on the screen running riot.

Well, it pushes the Genesis more than, say, SoR1...but it doesn't really
do any special effects, it just features a lot of sprites(something the
Genesis really never had any issue with). Watch, once you see Batman and
Robin, or Red Zone, you'll see what I mean in terms of special effects.

> I need to try populous on it. That seems to push the system in my
> opinion. God knows why
> I'll download it tonight and give it a shot.

Yeah, I don't know about that...it was almost a launch title, so I doubt
it does a whole lot in terms of pushing anything. What you may be
thinking of is the choppy-ass scrolling that pretty much all EA games have.

> Yeah, I don't buy a lot of early Nintendo stuff, although I'd never
> get rid of my systems
> no matter how many clones I get. I've got a stack of about 40 NES
> games and only about
> 10 SNES games. The reason isn't because I can play the games on
> emulators. Fact is
> there's too much stuff for one person to collect from. From a
> collector's standpoint you have
> to just pick one or two systems that you like and collect from them. I
> mostly do n64 stuff
> and a little bit of genesis action here and there. Those are my two
> favorite systems.

I hear that, I mostly concentrate on the Genesis/32X/Sega CD combo and
the Xbox.

Bel
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On Jan 1, 3:53 pm, BelPowerslave <b....TakeThisOut@whipassgaming.com> wrote:
> > Segagen is the emulator that was illegally ripped out of some Sega
> > product. It may
> > have been the Sega Flashback 2 unit, or else it was abducted from one
> > of the smash packs.
>
> Oh, yeah, it's the one that was made off the horrid Sega Smash Pack.
> Hopefully they worked with getting audio emulation working a lot better
> than in was in that piece.
>
> > I didn't make them, why would I be offended
> > They make great beaters though. I want my real systems to last, lest I
> > have to buy them again.
>
> I have some buddies who subscribe to this, but I've never really
> understood it. I mean, you're buying replacement systems so you can save
> your original system....seems like if you'd just play your original,
> when/if it died you'd of actually saved money just replacing it instead
> of buying the constant clones. That's just me though...
>
> Bel
> --
> Whip Ass Gaming:http://www.whipassgaming.com/
>
> "We aim to try."
> - Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911

Well, I'm quite happy with my Genesis 3 and my original "big" Genesis
in mint condition. These were acquired gradually during my video game
collecting adventures. It's not really realistic to think that I can
just wave a magic wand and replace them on demand.

Say you buy a 20 game lot, perhaps on Ebay, but perhaps at a yard sale
or flea market. You have to clean all the games first off (shudder),
then you have to test them out to see if any aren't working. It
doesn't make sense to use an original system for this type of thing.
Makes more sense to use one of the clones.

The SNES clone is even more important than that. I don't want to
expose my SNES to air because they discolor. Most of the Super
Nintendos I have seen over the course of the last few years are
completely discolored. Not mine. I stay away from it. That would break
my heart if that happened to mine.

dos-man
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> Segagen is the emulator that was illegally ripped out of some Sega
> product. It may
> have been the Sega Flashback 2 unit, or else it was abducted from one
> of the smash packs.

Oh, yeah, it's the one that was made off the horrid Sega Smash Pack.
Hopefully they worked with getting audio emulation working a lot better
than in was in that piece.

> I didn't make them, why would I be offended
> They make great beaters though. I want my real systems to last, lest I
> have to buy them again.

I have some buddies who subscribe to this, but I've never really
understood it. I mean, you're buying replacement systems so you can save
your original system....seems like if you'd just play your original,
when/if it died you'd of actually saved money just replacing it instead
of buying the constant clones. That's just me though...

Bel
--
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"We aim to try."
- Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911
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> I downloaded the Adventures of Batman and Robin. It's a 1 megabyte
> ROM. I burned it in on a CD for GenPlusDC.
> I compared it to the windows emulator, Gens. I'm not seeing any
> appreciable difference between the two.

That's impressive. That and Red Zone are two of the most technically
impressive, and hardest pushing Genesis games. If that emu can run those
at 99.9%, then I'd say you've found yourself a winner. Sadly, with the
issues you've been running in to with other games, it seems what you
gain in speed, you loose in compatibility. This why I don't like a lot
of the DC emulators...they seem to half-assed compared to the PC/Mac
emus that work at 100%, with all games.

> I'll email you a link to the Discjuggler CDI image. Then you can burn
> it on a CD and load it into the dreamcast, and give it a try for
> yourself. It's a 2 meg zip file.

Ok, I'll give it a shot. Unless it allows for Game Genie support though,
I doubt I'll be able to make it past the second level...

> Populous is a go. You just have to set Video option from HW to SW.
> If you fail to do that, The hand cursor acts real quirky.

I don't really understand the whole "software" or "hardware" switch, not
sure why the emu can't auto-detect this...

Bel
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On Jan 2, 9:15 am, 8bitwizard <8bitwizard#fanboy....@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> In article
> <d62fbaf5-d383-43f5-a8f6-1444e3661... RemoveThis @e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> dos-man 64 <ChairS... RemoveThis @mail.com> wrote:
>
> > The SNES clone is even more important than that. I don't want to
> > expose my SNES to air because they discolor. Most of the Super
> > Nintendos I have seen over the course of the last few years are
> > completely discolored. Not mine. I stay away from it. That would break
> > my heart if that happened to mine.
>
> It's already been determined that air doesn't cause the discoloration.
> It was the chemical mix in each individual batch of plastic. I've seen
> plenty of SNES units where one half of the case was yellowed and the
> other half wasn't. If it was light (or something else like smoking), you
> would see variable yellowing, and certainly not yellowing that stops at
> the line.

I think I've seen some half and half units.

>
> If it hasn't turned yellow already, it won't.

That's a relief!

dos-man
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In article
<d62fbaf5-d383-43f5-a8f6-1444e3661a17.TakeThisOut@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
dos-man 64 <ChairShot.TakeThisOut@mail.com> wrote:

> The SNES clone is even more important than that. I don't want to
> expose my SNES to air because they discolor. Most of the Super
> Nintendos I have seen over the course of the last few years are
> completely discolored. Not mine. I stay away from it. That would break
> my heart if that happened to mine.

It's already been determined that air doesn't cause the discoloration.
It was the chemical mix in each individual batch of plastic. I've seen
plenty of SNES units where one half of the case was yellowed and the
other half wasn't. If it was light (or something else like smoking), you
would see variable yellowing, and certainly not yellowing that stops at
the line.

If it hasn't turned yellow already, it won't.
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