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Ken Andrews

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
specialize.

Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
the Magical Specialist.

Hit Die
D4

Requirements
To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.

Class Skills
The class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are
Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Knowledge
(all skills, taken individually) (Int), Profession (Wis), and
Spellcraft (Int).

Skill Points gained
2 + Int modifier.

Class Features

Weapon and Armour Proficiency
No proficiencies with weapons or armour are gained with this prestige
class.

BAB +0
Fort Save +0
Reflex Save +0
Will Save +2

Spells per Day
When this prestige class is taken, the character gains new spells per
day (and spells known, if applicable) as if he had also gained a level
in the arcane casting class that qualifies him for this prestige
class. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of
that class would have gained.

Specialist

When this prestige class is taken, the character becomes a specialist
in the school selected for his Spell Focus. In addition, the
character at this time must choose two schools (one, if he is focusing
on Divination) which are now opposed schools. As this prestige class
can be taken multiple times, the opposed schools cannot be ones which
have been previously chosen.

By taking this prestige class, the Specialist can memorize one extra
spell per level per day of his selected school. In addition, he gains
a +2 bonus to Spellcraft checks to learn spells of his selected
school, and a -4 penalty to learn spells of his chosen opposed
schools.

Spells of the selected school gain a further +2 modifier to their DC.

Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
Concentration check must be made. They gain no penalty to their DC.




I thought about making this a Feat, but that would mean cutting into
the already limited number of Feats that a character can take.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> (Maybe the above *is* a valid solution. Simply make it a 3-level PrC
> which, each time you advance in it, you select a school you've taken
> Spell Focus for, and you choose two schools to hose. The drawback to
> doing it as the 3-level is that it gets rid of the multi-classing
> drawback that came along with the 1-level version. {The 1-level
> version, if you take the PrC multiple times, you start taking XP hits
> because of having too many classes too far apart.})

Levels in a Prestige Class do not count when determining XP penalties
for multiclassing.

> Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
> order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
> Concentration check must be made.

Do you really mean the DC to be 25 + the spell level *squared*? So
that 9th level spells require a DC 106 Concentration check...and even
5th level spells require a DC 50 check? I wondered if perhaps the DC
was intended to be 25 + double the spell level instead.

Also, why Concentration instead of, say, Spellcraft?

--Iss

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> (Maybe the above *is* a valid solution. Simply make it a 3-level PrC
> which, each time you advance in it, you select a school you've taken
> Spell Focus for, and you choose two schools to hose. The drawback to
> doing it as the 3-level is that it gets rid of the multi-classing
> drawback that came along with the 1-level version. {The 1-level
> version, if you take the PrC multiple times, you start taking XP hits
> because of having too many classes too far apart.})

Levels in a Prestige Class do not count when determining XP penalties
for multiclassing.

> Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
> order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
> Concentration check must be made.

Do you really mean the DC to be 25 + the spell level *squared*? So
that 9th level spells require a DC 106 Concentration check...and even
5th level spells require a DC 50 check? I wondered if perhaps the DC
was intended to be 25 + double the spell level instead.

Also, why Concentration instead of, say, Spellcraft?

--Iss
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> (Maybe the above *is* a valid solution. Simply make it a 3-level PrC
> which, each time you advance in it, you select a school you've taken
> Spell Focus for, and you choose two schools to hose. The drawback to
> doing it as the 3-level is that it gets rid of the multi-classing
> drawback that came along with the 1-level version. {The 1-level
> version, if you take the PrC multiple times, you start taking XP hits
> because of having too many classes too far apart.})

Levels in a Prestige Class do not count when determining XP penalties
for multiclassing.

> Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
> order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
> Concentration check must be made.

Do you really mean the DC to be 25 + the spell level *squared*? So
that 9th level spells require a DC 106 Concentration check...and even
5th level spells require a DC 50 check? I wondered if perhaps the DC
was intended to be 25 + double the spell level instead.

Also, why Concentration instead of, say, Spellcraft?

--Iss
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> (Maybe the above *is* a valid solution. Simply make it a 3-level PrC
> which, each time you advance in it, you select a school you've taken
> Spell Focus for, and you choose two schools to hose. The drawback to
> doing it as the 3-level is that it gets rid of the multi-classing
> drawback that came along with the 1-level version. {The 1-level
> version, if you take the PrC multiple times, you start taking XP hits
> because of having too many classes too far apart.})

Levels in a Prestige Class do not count when determining XP penalties
for multiclassing.

> Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
> order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
> Concentration check must be made.

Do you really mean the DC to be 25 + the spell level *squared*? So
that 9th level spells require a DC 106 Concentration check...and even
5th level spells require a DC 50 check? I wondered if perhaps the DC
was intended to be 25 + double the spell level instead.

Also, why Concentration instead of, say, Spellcraft?

--Iss
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> (Maybe the above *is* a valid solution. Simply make it a 3-level PrC
> which, each time you advance in it, you select a school you've taken
> Spell Focus for, and you choose two schools to hose. The drawback to
> doing it as the 3-level is that it gets rid of the multi-classing
> drawback that came along with the 1-level version. {The 1-level
> version, if you take the PrC multiple times, you start taking XP hits
> because of having too many classes too far apart.})

Levels in a Prestige Class do not count when determining XP penalties
for multiclassing.

> Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
> order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
> Concentration check must be made.

Do you really mean the DC to be 25 + the spell level *squared*? So
that 9th level spells require a DC 106 Concentration check...and even
5th level spells require a DC 50 check? I wondered if perhaps the DC
was intended to be 25 + double the spell level instead.

Also, why Concentration instead of, say, Spellcraft?

--Iss
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> (Maybe the above *is* a valid solution. Simply make it a 3-level PrC
> which, each time you advance in it, you select a school you've taken
> Spell Focus for, and you choose two schools to hose. The drawback to
> doing it as the 3-level is that it gets rid of the multi-classing
> drawback that came along with the 1-level version. {The 1-level
> version, if you take the PrC multiple times, you start taking XP hits
> because of having too many classes too far apart.})

Levels in a Prestige Class do not count when determining XP penalties
for multiclassing.

> Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
> order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
> Concentration check must be made.

Do you really mean the DC to be 25 + the spell level *squared*? So
that 9th level spells require a DC 106 Concentration check...and even
5th level spells require a DC 50 check? I wondered if perhaps the DC
was intended to be 25 + double the spell level instead.

Also, why Concentration instead of, say, Spellcraft?

--Iss
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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Ken Andrews wrote:
> (Maybe the above *is* a valid solution. Simply make it a 3-level PrC
> which, each time you advance in it, you select a school you've taken
> Spell Focus for, and you choose two schools to hose. The drawback to
> doing it as the 3-level is that it gets rid of the multi-classing
> drawback that came along with the 1-level version. {The 1-level
> version, if you take the PrC multiple times, you start taking XP hits
> because of having too many classes too far apart.})

Levels in a Prestige Class do not count when determining XP penalties
for multiclassing.

> Spells of the opposed schools can still be memorized and cast, but in
> order to cast them successfully, a DC (25 + spell level^2)
> Concentration check must be made.

Do you really mean the DC to be 25 + the spell level *squared*? So
that 9th level spells require a DC 106 Concentration check...and even
5th level spells require a DC 50 check? I wondered if perhaps the DC
was intended to be 25 + double the spell level instead.

Also, why Concentration instead of, say, Spellcraft?

--Iss
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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"Ken Andrews" <gobble.DeleteThis@degook.com> wrote in message
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> Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
> prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
> specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
> specialize.
>
> Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
> the Magical Specialist.

There is a PrC in Complete Mage that extends the abilities of specialists.
Don't recall the name of it...maybe some else does? This isn't the same as
what you are attempting, which is the creation of the specialization, but is
in the theme of what you are attempting.

> Requirements
> To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
> all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
> Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.
>

Note that the character wouldn't be able to take this until 4th level. 2nd
level wizard levels up. Until he chooses a class that boosts his spell
casting (such as wizard or this PrC), he cannot cast 2nd level arcane spells
and thus doesn't qualify.

David
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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"Ken Andrews" <gobble.RemoveThis@degook.com> wrote in message
news:4559cc09.2883472484@shawnews...
> Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
> prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
> specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
> specialize.
>
> Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
> the Magical Specialist.

There is a PrC in Complete Mage that extends the abilities of specialists.
Don't recall the name of it...maybe some else does? This isn't the same as
what you are attempting, which is the creation of the specialization, but is
in the theme of what you are attempting.

> Requirements
> To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
> all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
> Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.
>

Note that the character wouldn't be able to take this until 4th level. 2nd
level wizard levels up. Until he chooses a class that boosts his spell
casting (such as wizard or this PrC), he cannot cast 2nd level arcane spells
and thus doesn't qualify.

David
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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"Ken Andrews" <gobble.TakeThisOut@degook.com> wrote in message
news:4559cc09.2883472484@shawnews...
> Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
> prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
> specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
> specialize.
>
> Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
> the Magical Specialist.

There is a PrC in Complete Mage that extends the abilities of specialists.
Don't recall the name of it...maybe some else does? This isn't the same as
what you are attempting, which is the creation of the specialization, but is
in the theme of what you are attempting.

> Requirements
> To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
> all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
> Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.
>

Note that the character wouldn't be able to take this until 4th level. 2nd
level wizard levels up. Until he chooses a class that boosts his spell
casting (such as wizard or this PrC), he cannot cast 2nd level arcane spells
and thus doesn't qualify.

David
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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"Ken Andrews" <gobble.TakeThisOut@degook.com> wrote in message
news:4559cc09.2883472484@shawnews...
> Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
> prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
> specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
> specialize.
>
> Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
> the Magical Specialist.

There is a PrC in Complete Mage that extends the abilities of specialists.
Don't recall the name of it...maybe some else does? This isn't the same as
what you are attempting, which is the creation of the specialization, but is
in the theme of what you are attempting.

> Requirements
> To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
> all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
> Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.
>

Note that the character wouldn't be able to take this until 4th level. 2nd
level wizard levels up. Until he chooses a class that boosts his spell
casting (such as wizard or this PrC), he cannot cast 2nd level arcane spells
and thus doesn't qualify.

David
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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"Ken Andrews" <gobble RemoveThis @degook.com> wrote in message
news:4559cc09.2883472484@shawnews...
> Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
> prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
> specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
> specialize.
>
> Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
> the Magical Specialist.

There is a PrC in Complete Mage that extends the abilities of specialists.
Don't recall the name of it...maybe some else does? This isn't the same as
what you are attempting, which is the creation of the specialization, but is
in the theme of what you are attempting.

> Requirements
> To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
> all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
> Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.
>

Note that the character wouldn't be able to take this until 4th level. 2nd
level wizard levels up. Until he chooses a class that boosts his spell
casting (such as wizard or this PrC), he cannot cast 2nd level arcane spells
and thus doesn't qualify.

David
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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"Ken Andrews" <gobble.RemoveThis@degook.com> wrote in message
news:4559cc09.2883472484@shawnews...
> Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
> prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
> specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
> specialize.
>
> Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
> the Magical Specialist.

There is a PrC in Complete Mage that extends the abilities of specialists.
Don't recall the name of it...maybe some else does? This isn't the same as
what you are attempting, which is the creation of the specialization, but is
in the theme of what you are attempting.

> Requirements
> To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
> all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
> Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.
>

Note that the character wouldn't be able to take this until 4th level. 2nd
level wizard levels up. Until he chooses a class that boosts his spell
casting (such as wizard or this PrC), he cannot cast 2nd level arcane spells
and thus doesn't qualify.

David
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:23 pm
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"Ken Andrews" <gobble.DeleteThis@degook.com> wrote in message
news:4559cc09.2883472484@shawnews...
> Why are specialist mages (Diviner, Evoker, Necromancer...) not
> prestige classes? Wouldn't it make better sense to have
> specialization as such? I.e., you hit Level 3 and you can optionally
> specialize.
>
> Something I've been thinking about is a *very* short Prestige Class,
> the Magical Specialist.

There is a PrC in Complete Mage that extends the abilities of specialists.
Don't recall the name of it...maybe some else does? This isn't the same as
what you are attempting, which is the creation of the specialization, but is
in the theme of what you are attempting.

> Requirements
> To qualify to become a Magical Specialist, a character must fulfill
> all the following criteria: Knowledge (Arcana) 5 ranks, Spell Focus,
> Able to cast 2nd level arcane spells.
>

Note that the character wouldn't be able to take this until 4th level. 2nd
level wizard levels up. Until he chooses a class that boosts his spell
casting (such as wizard or this PrC), he cannot cast 2nd level arcane spells
and thus doesn't qualify.

David
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