Preparing for HDTV Tivo DirecTV

On 2006-03-06, John <jlwsecure-usenet5.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Will" <DELETE_westes.RemoveThis@earthbroadcast.com> wrote in
> news:wfmdnXQ3PKiB45bZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>> We have two series 1 Tivos, and I want to start preparing for the HDTV
>> version. The HDTV DirectTV Tivo would come with a 5 Satellite dish.
>
> I was under the impression that since DirecTV came out with its own version
> of DVR, that they will no longet offer Tivo.

Your impression is incorrect. DirecTV's ONLY HD DVR is the HR10-250 which
comes with TiVo. DirecTV's SD DVRs they are currently producing are
non-TiVo, but there are still a few DirecTiVos out there that if you can
find/get them, DirecTV will support them.

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In article <Xns977E21473511Bjlwsecure.DeleteThis@207.115.17.102>,
John <jlwsecure-usenet5.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Will" <DELETE_westes.DeleteThis@earthbroadcast.com> wrote in
> news:wfmdnXQ3PKiB45bZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> > We have two series 1 Tivos, and I want to start preparing for the HDTV
> > version. The HDTV DirectTV Tivo would come with a 5 Satellite dish.
> >
>
> I was under the impression that since DirecTV came out with its own version
> of DVR, that they will no longet offer Tivo.


They still have some SD DirecTiVo available upon request, and for now
the only HD Directv DVR is the HR10-250 TiVo.
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:11:54 -0800, Will wrote:

> We have two series 1 Tivos, and I want to start preparing for the HDTV
> version. The HDTV DirectTV Tivo would come with a 5 Satellite dish.
>
> My questions are:
>
> - Can these five satellite dishes serve a series 1 as well as series 2
> DirecTV Tivo?

Yes

>
> - Is the output from the HD dish just a simple coax, or does it requre a
> special coax cable that can run a higher frequency signal?

Regular Coax

> I'm really
> curious how it is they are able to run the HD signal on the same cable. Do
> the HD broadcasts just use a higher frequency part of the signal and overlay
> the regular signal used by non-HD units?

No. The HD signal is also a compressed digital stream. They can control
the bits per second allocates to any channel. HD gets more.

>
> - How many discrete outputs are there from the five satellite dish?
>

Usually the dish has the multiswitch built in, so if there are 4 outputs,
you can put 4 receivers (tuners) on it. If you need more, then you have to
run all 4 connections to a 4 by n multiswitch.

> - If I want to power four DirecTV units - some series 1 and some series 2
> and some series 2 HD - do I need a special multiswitch for this, or will any
> coax multiswitch work? I plan on ordering the additional HD antenna to
> get off-air HD broadcasts, in case this affects the calculation....

It will need to handle four inputs.

Brad
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"John" <jlwsecure-usenet5.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > We have two series 1 Tivos, and I want to start preparing for the HDTV
> > version. The HDTV DirectTV Tivo would come with a 5 Satellite dish.
>
> I was under the impression that since DirecTV came out with its own
version
> of DVR, that they will no longet offer Tivo.

I would no more trust DirecTV to make a DVR for me than I would trust Compaq
or IBM to make an operating system for my PC. There is a huge groundswell
of popular support for the Tivo architecture, and I want to leverage all of
that intellectual and commercial resource and alternative.

Unless the DirecTV also dispenses $20 bills every few minutes, I wouldn't
get near one. If it did dispense $20 bills, I would buy it to get the $20
bills, and I would still use my Tivo anyway.

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"Brad Houser" <bradDOThouser.TakeThisOut@intel.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:11:54 -0800, Will wrote:
>
>>
>> - How many discrete outputs are there from the five satellite dish?
>>
> Usually the dish has the multiswitch built in, so if there are 4 outputs,
> you can put 4 receivers (tuners) on it. If you need more, then you have to
> run all 4 connections to a 4 by n multiswitch.

Is it only 4 signals from the 5 horn dish? While setting up an H20
receiver, during setup it made mention of a 6x switch.
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I guess if you have dual LNB to a single satellite, that each dual LNB
satellite would add another two outputs? Can someone who knows please
clarify: how many different *dual-LNB* satellites are supported by the five
satellite dish used for the HD DirecTV service?

In terms of a multiswitch, if you have a multiswitch that takes six inputs,
would it be usable in an appliction where you have four outputs from the
satellite dish? Or is there a requirement to precisely match the number of
outputs from the dish to inputs on the multiswitch, and you cannot have
unused positions?

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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't have one which is why I asked. I'm not sure what the difference
is
> between the 4 line and 6 line models. Logically I don't see how one would
> expand form a 4 output model as there are more than 4 signal types to
choose
> from. I would guess that to get more than 4 outputs one wouldn't be able
to
> use a 4 output model as not all signals would be available at all times.
But
> like I said, I'm guessing here as I have no experience with the 5 slot
dish.
>
>
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"Will" <westes-usc.RemoveThis@noemail.nospam> wrote in message news:G5qdnQGZmK5im5DZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> I guess if you have dual LNB to a single satellite, that each dual LNB
> satellite would add another two outputs? Can someone who knows please
> clarify: how many different *dual-LNB* satellites are supported by the five
> satellite dish used for the HD DirecTV service?
>
....

Dual LNB means there are two cable connections on that LNB.
Not all LNBs are dual LNBs.

The satellites are in orbit above the earth and each LNB is focused
on a single orbit position which may contain multiple satellites.
A "five satellite dish" will receive signals from five orbit positions.
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> Dual LNB means there are two cable connections on that LNB.
> Not all LNBs are dual LNBs.

I'm not sure that's correct.

I think dual LNB means two LNB's are on the dish. For Sat A and Sat B.
Triple LNB includes one for Sat C.

I think most LNBs are dual, in the sense they have two cables. The LNB for
the A and B satellites are dual cabled. The LNB for the C satellite is
single cabled.

Dual LNB means 4 feeds. Triple LNB is still four feeds with a built in
multi-switch

>
> The satellites are in orbit above the earth and each LNB is focused
> on a single orbit position which may contain multiple satellites.
> A "five satellite dish" will receive signals from five orbit positions.
>
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A single LNB may have two outputs. This LNB is commonly referred
to as a dual LNB, since there are two independent devices under the
weather proof cap. Eight or ten years ago few LNBs had two output
connectors since most DBS customers used a single satellite receiver.

Dishes designed to receive two satellite orbit positions have TWO dual output LNBs.
There may be only one cable from the dish if a multi-switch is mounted on the dish.

Each of my two satellite dishes has a single dual output LNB.
I receive programming from only the 101 Deg W. Long satellite fleet.
The instruction manual for my Sony Satellite dish refers to LNB with
single output and LNB with dual output.

A multi-satellite dish has (minimally) TWO dual (output) LNBs and may have
a third single output LNB.

As you stated... "most LNBs are dual".
Twin dual LNBs have 4 cable connections.

The "Triple LNB" dish can feed a single satellite receiver using one cable.

"Bob Bo" <twobeersforme.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2wmPf.45393$H71.1731@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> > Dual LNB means there are two cable connections on that LNB.
> > Not all LNBs are dual LNBs.
>
> I'm not sure that's correct.
>
> I think dual LNB means two LNB's are on the dish. For Sat A and Sat B.
> Triple LNB includes one for Sat C.
>
> I think most LNBs are dual, in the sense they have two cables. The LNB for
> the A and B satellites are dual cabled. The LNB for the C satellite is
> single cabled.
>
> Dual LNB means 4 feeds. Triple LNB is still four feeds with a built in
> multi-switch
>
> >
> > The satellites are in orbit above the earth and each LNB is focused
> > on a single orbit position which may contain multiple satellites.
> > A "five satellite dish" will receive signals from five orbit positions.
> >
>
>
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"Jack Ak" <akjack.RemoveThis@excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> A single LNB may have two outputs. This LNB is commonly referred
> to as a dual LNB, since there are two independent devices under the
> weather proof cap. Eight or ten years ago few LNBs had two output
> connectors since most DBS customers used a single satellite receiver.

I could be wrong but I thought most people referred to the LNB as one unit.
With a single feed or a dual feed. Not a dual feed as a dual LNB.

So what your saying then, a dish that can get Sat A and B and feed four
receivers is a dual dual LNB dish?

I've had DirecTV since the year the service was launched. 1994 I think?
Maybe 1995. I still have my original round dish stored in the garage. It
came way back then as a dual feed setup but I always considered it a single
LNB. I started with one receiver, even though it had two feeds. About two
years later I got a second receiver.

Now, 12 years later I've got the 3 Sat oval dish, 4 feeds feeding a 5x8
switch (or is it 16?) with an OTA feed. I've got HD OTA, 3 DirecTivos, one
HD DirecTV feeding a stand alone DVD tivo and the original DirecTV receiver
going in the guest room in the basement.

Wow, we've come a long way baby. LOL. I have no idea why I'm hanging on to
the original round dish.

I guess it will soon be keeping the 3 sat oval dish company in the garage
when the 5 sat dish comes along.

Thanks for the info Jack.
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"Bob Bo" <twobeersforme.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:0PpPf.57102$dW3.11366@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> "Jack Ak" <akjack.DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > A single LNB may have two outputs. This LNB is commonly referred
> > to as a dual LNB, since there are two independent devices under the
> > weather proof cap. Eight or ten years ago few LNBs had two output
> > connectors since most DBS customers used a single satellite receiver.
>
> I could be wrong but I thought most people referred to the LNB as one unit.
> With a single feed or a dual feed. Not a dual feed as a dual LNB.
>
> So what your saying then, a dish that can get Sat A and B and feed four
> receivers is a dual dual LNB dish?
>
....
That dish configuration would be a multi-satellite dish with a companion multi-switch.
The LNB arm would have two dual output LNBs, one for 101 Deg. W Long. and the other
for 119 Deg. W Long.
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Jack Ak wrote:
> A single LNB may have two outputs. This LNB is commonly referred
> to as a dual LNB, since there are two independent devices under the
> weather proof cap. Eight or ten years ago few LNBs had two output
> connectors since most DBS customers used a single satellite receiver.
>
> Dishes designed to receive two satellite orbit positions have TWO dual output LNBs.
> There may be only one cable from the dish if a multi-switch is mounted on the dish.
>
> Each of my two satellite dishes has a single dual output LNB.
> I receive programming from only the 101 Deg W. Long satellite fleet.
> The instruction manual for my Sony Satellite dish refers to LNB with
> single output and LNB with dual output.
>
> A multi-satellite dish has (minimally) TWO dual (output) LNBs and may have
> a third single output LNB.
>
> As you stated... "most LNBs are dual".
> Twin dual LNBs have 4 cable connections.

Yep.

> The "Triple LNB" dish can feed a single satellite receiver using one cable.

The third head on the triple-satellite dish has a single output.
That fifth signal is merged with one of the other four using a simple
splitter/combiner. The end result is just four cables coming down from
the dish instead of five.

I don't know how it works on a five-satellite dish.
-Joe
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