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Chris Babcock

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Since: Nov 26, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:57 am
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I don't know whether it constitutes a "plague" or not, but I have some
preliminary figures from the URL checker that I set up to spider the
diplom.org site. After seven and a half hours, the program has checked
over 29,000 links. At least 50,000 remain to be checked. About 3% of the
links checked so far are bad. For those about to strain their brains
doing the math, the program is already reporting over 1,000 broken
links. I don't think that I'll be shelling in and fixing all of them
with my text editor of choice (vi) tonight. Wink

The good news is that I'm starting to see some instances of "Item
already checked" flashing by. This would mean that I probably don't
have to wait another 16 hours or more for final results and that there
may not be 3,000 broken links by the time it's finished checking the
site...

Chris

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Chris Babcock

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:18 pm
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> >The good news is that I'm starting to see some instances of "Item
> >already checked" flashing by. This would mean that I probably don't
> >have to wait another 16 hours or more for final results and that
> >there may not be 3,000 broken links by the time it's finished
> >checking the site...
>
> What you mean, I think, is that you're doublecounting some of the
> "repeated" broken links where the same link exists in many places and
> of course each one is broken? Some things that are important.... how
> HUGE the site is, how many links there are!!! And is 3% large or
> small? I think that's about what I would have thought it was. I
> think that's neither large nor small but about what such a huge site,
> originally built over ten years ago, has as a legacy.

There turned out to be a nasty bit of recursion in the site - items
that are in the "DipPouch" folder on the site are physically located in
the root folder... as is the link (in the filesystem sense) that
redirects the traffic there. It's a clever thing to do in a couple
ways. It was just inconvenient for this project. In the end, I had to
'break' that link in order to successfully crawl the site with the
spider. Otherwise I would have gotten ever deeper levels of URLs that
look like:

"diplom.org/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/..."

The final result is that there are 37776 links to 5892 unique targets
(including images). There are 4824 good links and 945 bad links; The
number for 'bad links' unfortunately including those links that needed
to be temporarily disabled. I'll be contacting the maintainers
individually with specifics on their sections as soon as I can generate
reports.

So I've got a tool that can help find the broken links (with some human
intervention), but the statistics are more obviously useless than is
normally the case (and the recursion makes it difficult to assess the
size of the site too).

Chris

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Jim Burgess

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:28 am
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Chris Babcock <cbabcock.TakeThisOut@cox.net> writes:

>I don't know whether it constitutes a "plague" or not, but I have some
>preliminary figures from the URL checker that I set up to spider the
>diplom.org site. After seven and a half hours, the program has checked
>over 29,000 links. At least 50,000 remain to be checked. About 3% of the
>links checked so far are bad. For those about to strain their brains
>doing the math, the program is already reporting over 1,000 broken
>links. I don't think that I'll be shelling in and fixing all of them
>with my text editor of choice (vi) tonight. Wink

>The good news is that I'm starting to see some instances of "Item
>already checked" flashing by. This would mean that I probably don't
>have to wait another 16 hours or more for final results and that there
>may not be 3,000 broken links by the time it's finished checking the
>site...

>Chris

Hi Chris,

What you mean, I think, is that you're doublecounting some of the
"repeated" broken links where the same link exists in many places and of
course each one is broken? Some things that are important.... how HUGE
the site is, how many links there are!!! And is 3% large or small? I
think that's about what I would have thought it was. I think that's
neither large nor small but about what such a huge site, originally built
over ten years ago, has as a legacy.

Jim-Bob
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:25 pm
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Chris Babcock <cbabcock RemoveThis @cox.net> writes:

>> >The good news is that I'm starting to see some instances of "Item
>> >already checked" flashing by. This would mean that I probably don't
>> >have to wait another 16 hours or more for final results and that
>> >there may not be 3,000 broken links by the time it's finished
>> >checking the site...
>>
>> What you mean, I think, is that you're doublecounting some of the
>> "repeated" broken links where the same link exists in many places and
>> of course each one is broken? Some things that are important.... how
>> HUGE the site is, how many links there are!!! And is 3% large or
>> small? I think that's about what I would have thought it was. I
>> think that's neither large nor small but about what such a huge site,
>> originally built over ten years ago, has as a legacy.

>There turned out to be a nasty bit of recursion in the site - items
>that are in the "DipPouch" folder on the site are physically located in
>the root folder... as is the link (in the filesystem sense) that
>redirects the traffic there. It's a clever thing to do in a couple
>ways. It was just inconvenient for this project. In the end, I had to
>'break' that link in order to successfully crawl the site with the
>spider. Otherwise I would have gotten ever deeper levels of URLs that
>look like:

>"diplom.org/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/DipPouch/..."

I see. And yes, knowing how the directories are formed, I see why that
happened. This partly has to do with the fact that the Pouch is the site
and the Szine.

>The final result is that there are 37776 links to 5892 unique targets
>(including images). There are 4824 good links and 945 bad links; The
>number for 'bad links' unfortunately including those links that needed
>to be temporarily disabled. I'll be contacting the maintainers
>individually with specifics on their sections as soon as I can generate
>reports.

Ohh, now that's not so good. That's more like 18%, which is getting high,
depending on how many of them are the "temporarily disabled" links.

I look forward to my report for the postal section, I know about some of
the bad links and they just need to be deleted.

>So I've got a tool that can help find the broken links (with some human
>intervention), but the statistics are more obviously useless than is
>normally the case (and the recursion makes it difficult to assess the
>size of the site too).

>Chris

I see.

Jim-Bob
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