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FishEyes

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:37 am
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Does anyone know if there is a list of pets (lev 60) and there average
dps and peak dps with crits, if this list also had the hunters build
that would be very useful (was it a BM build basically).

Trying to work out if it is worth investing points in beast mastery for
added pvp dps.

Someone on this group has claimed 150dps which seems very high but I
have not played as a BM spec hunter for about 30 levels.

If a list does not exist maybe the hunters out there could post there
average pet dps.

Thinking back to last night I think my level 59 cat was doing something
like 35-40dps (only growl active). I am a survival spec hunter @
moment.

Cheers

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:37 am
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FishEyes a écrit :

> Does anyone know if there is a list of pets (lev 60) and there average
> dps and peak dps with crits, if this list also had the hunters build
> that would be very useful (was it a BM build basically).
>
> Trying to work out if it is worth investing points in beast mastery for
> added pvp dps.
>
> Someone on this group has claimed 150dps which seems very high but I
> have not played as a BM spec hunter for about 30 levels.
>
> If a list does not exist maybe the hunters out there could post there
> average pet dps.
>
> Thinking back to last night I think my level 59 cat was doing something
> like 35-40dps (only growl active). I am a survival spec hunter @
> moment.
>
> Cheers

My pet Harry (the Rake, named cat, level 60, best friend) is specced:
Claw 8
Bite 8
Dash 3
Prowl 3
90 resistance in fire, frost, nature, shadow
2 in stamina
3 in armour
(or something close, cant remember the exact build)

I think at level 60, a pet's autoattack damage is 50dps, and I believe
the 10% bonus from "being a cat", the +15% damage talent, the +50%
prowl damage and the +50% bestial wrath all work together, giving a
damage multiplier somewhere between either x1.25 (normal), x1.75 (BW or
Prowl) x2.25 (BW & Prowl)

I'm specced as 40 beast mastery, with 3/5 frenzy as the only
"downgraded" damage talent, that gives me only 60% chance to frenzy on
crit, which is enough for Harry to be almost constantly frenzied. Maxed
Bestial discipline allows him to bite every time the cooldown is up AND
claw at least once per focus tick once the initial dps burst is dealt.

Depending on whether Harry needs to Dash or is Prowling AND under
bestial wrath, the initial damage burst misses a claw or two, or on the
contrary becomes insane, with an initial Bite damage around 200,
followed by 72dps of autoattack for 15 seconds, during which you can
see another bite for 158 damage, and approximately 7-8 claws for around
88 damage each. That's my MINIMUM initial burst, and my minimum pet
damage: 2066 damage over 15 seconds, or 138 dps

Factor in about 20% crit chance: almost 2500 damage, not taking frenzy
into account.
Now for the fun "BM is imba" part: if the initial bite crits for 400
and triggers frenzy, and if frenzy keeps up during the whole duration
of Bestial Wrath (which is more than realistic considering the very
fast attack speed of the rake), then the autoattack non-crit dps scales
up to almost 95dps... for an average damage dealt of 2873 during these
first 15 seconds, yes, that's about 190dps of pure bestial wrath that
knows not pity, remorse, or fear Wink

After Bestial wrath ends, and when the pet goes back to focus recovery,
clawing every 3 seconds and biting every 10 seconds, the dps goes down
to about 120dps if frenzy keeps up, about 100dps if it doesn't.

Now without Bestial wrath during the initial burst (which happens more
often than not in when you solo PVE of course), and you get something
like "only" 140-150dps of initial damage.

That's unbuffed!
Why consider Pet dps in raids if it's not for taking into account raid
buffs? Things of note:
1) paladin buffs makes it imba, as always
2) only strength of earth totem can boost the pet damage. It cannot
windfury :'(
3) trueshot aura is a bliss
4) Mark of the wild gives a good strength boost for more damage
5) several "grindables" give targettable buffs, kill winterfalls for
E'ko in Winterspring, your pet will love you Razz
6) BE AN ORC!, and have your pet out at all times in Orgrimmar waiting
for *gasp* rend buff, dragonslayer buff, etc, and dismiss it once it's
buffed: time left only decreases when the pet is out Smile
7) remember to damage each mob at least once when you toggle aggressive
and bestial wrath at the level 40-45 ogre camp in Feralas, when
grinding for mageweave.

Lastly, Growl is useless to a beastmaster. Forget it, respec out of it
even if it's free, get prowl, dash, bite and claw instead on your cat.
Intimidation is much more efficient for the (rare) times when your pet
has aggro issues in parties, and feign death is much more efficient for
the (rare) times when you have aggro problems, and the focus used by
growl is a waste of damage Wink

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:51 am
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Babe Bridou a écrit :

> FishEyes a écrit :
>
> > Does anyone know if there is a list of pets (lev 60) and there average
> > dps and peak dps with crits, if this list also had the hunters build
> > that would be very useful (was it a BM build basically).
> >
> > Trying to work out if it is worth investing points in beast mastery for
> > added pvp dps.
> >
> > Someone on this group has claimed 150dps which seems very high but I
> > have not played as a BM spec hunter for about 30 levels.
> >
> > If a list does not exist maybe the hunters out there could post there
> > average pet dps.
> >
> > Thinking back to last night I think my level 59 cat was doing something
> > like 35-40dps (only growl active). I am a survival spec hunter @
> > moment.
> >
> > Cheers
>
> My pet Harry (the Rake, named cat, level 60, best friend) is specced:

<snip>

Of course, all this damage is further reduced by armour. So between a
50% armoured mobs and 10% armoured mobs, there is a world of pain in
difference. Use Scorpid Sting instead of serpent sting to reduce the
mob's armor and deal more damage with your pet if you have aggro
difficulty on elite tin cans.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:48 am
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OMG that is some serious pain.
How do you find duals or 1 on 1 pvp? Surely with that much damage
output any opponent is in a world of hurt?
Think I might have to treat myself and respec to your build and see how
I get on Smile
Might have to go find a Rake aswell, cat is quick but not as quick as
the rake.

Thanks for such a detailed reply, most appreciated.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:28 am
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Vertoobli a écrit :

> On 5 Jul 2006 07:27:10 -0700, "Babe Bridou" <babebridou.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

> I didn't think any tameable elites kept special traits once trained,
> Doesn't the Rake just go to normal cat speed?

Its run/walk speed is insane, its attack speed is real fast, and
besides those I tamed to learn new skills, it's the only cat I ever
used, so I wouldn't know to be honest Smile
I've used a scorpid, a wolf, a vulture, a boar, a bear, a bat, an owl,
a hyena... and they can't even come close to the Rake in terms of pure
speed.

Then again, I tamed it back in april 2005.

By the way I checked a bit this morning, and realised several talents
were adjusted since I last measured how much damage my pet contributes,
for example Bestial Wrath lasts 18 seconds now. So the numbers I
brought up yesterday are a bit inexact. Still the damage of the puppy
is not negligible Smile
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:54 am
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lorad a écrit :

> Attack speed is the only thing retained by the pets now. Get Broken Tooth he
> is a 1.0 attack speed level 27 pet, though will still be a PITA to level to
> 60.....

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**Terminitpickator engaging mode [[GeNoCiDe]].

Broken Tooth is level 37.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:55 am
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> On 5 Jul 2006 07:27:10 -0700, "Babe Bridou" <babebridou.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

>> I didn't think any tameable elites kept special traits once trained,
>> Doesn't the Rake just go to normal cat speed?

>Its run/walk speed is insane, its attack speed is real fast, and
>besides those I tamed to learn new skills, it's the only cat I ever
>used, so I wouldn't know to be honest Smile
>I've used a scorpid, a wolf, a vulture, a boar, a bear, a bat, an owl,
>a hyena... and they can't even come close to the Rake in terms of pure
>speed.
>
>Then again, I tamed it back in april 2005.
>
>By the way I checked a bit this morning, and realised several talents
>were adjusted since I last measured how much damage my pet contributes,
>for example Bestial Wrath lasts 18 seconds now. So the numbers I
>brought up yesterday are a bit inexact. Still the damage of the puppy
>is not negligible Smile

Attack speed is the only thing retained by the pets now. Get Broken Tooth he
is a 1.0 attack speed level 27 pet, though will still be a PITA to level to
60.....
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:55 am
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In article <qI8rg.60413$Lm5.30081@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
"lorad" <jeff_nospam RemoveThis @lindholm.org> wrote:

> Attack speed is the only thing retained by the pets now. Get Broken Tooth he
> is a 1.0 attack speed level 27 pet, though will still be a PITA to level to
> 60.....

I had no luck finding this guy with my lvl 43 hunter who can mostly
ignore the surrounding mobs... I only looked for two hours though. Does
anyone know if Broken Tooth is normally stealthed, and what his spawn
rate is?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:55 am
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I decided to stick with my marks|survival build for the time being.
While duelling outside ogrim I got challenged by a level 55 hunter. I
bow my head in shame. I incorrectly thought I should ignore the pet,
big mistake. Nothing like being taken down by a player 5 levels lower
then u. Ha ha. Damn those BM spec cats hit hard and fast (sound like a
porn Wink ).
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:06 am
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FishEyes wrote:
> I decided to stick with my marks|survival build for the time being.
> While duelling outside ogrim I got challenged by a level 55 hunter. I
> bow my head in shame. I incorrectly thought I should ignore the pet,
> big mistake. Nothing like being taken down by a player 5 levels lower
> then u. Ha ha. Damn those BM spec cats hit hard and fast (sound like a
> porn Wink ).

You should of laid a freeze trap at your feet, would of nullified the
pet!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:21 am
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Yeah I did, unfortunately it broke early - very early.
Now that I think of it a feign death would have been the best plan, oh
well live (just) and learn.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:42 am
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FishEyes a écrit :

> Yeah I did, unfortunately it broke early - very early.
> Now that I think of it a feign death would have been the best plan, oh
> well live (just) and learn.

I use either improved mend pet (rank 1) or bestial wrath to break or
prevent pet trapping. Poor you Wink
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:21 am
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Ahh cheeky. Could this be done with standard mend pet?

Babe Bridou wrote:
> FishEyes a écrit :
>
> > Yeah I did, unfortunately it broke early - very early.
> > Now that I think of it a feign death would have been the best plan, oh
> > well live (just) and learn.
>
> I use either improved mend pet (rank 1) or bestial wrath to break or
> prevent pet trapping. Poor you Wink
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:17 am
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FishEyes a écrit :


> Babe Bridou wrote:
> > FishEyes a écrit :
> >
> > > Yeah I did, unfortunately it broke early - very early.
> > > Now that I think of it a feign death would have been the best plan, oh
> > > well live (just) and learn.
> >
> > I use either improved mend pet (rank 1) or bestial wrath to break or
> > prevent pet trapping. Poor you Wink
>
> Ahh cheeky. Could this be done with standard mend pet?
>

Nope, you need at least 1 point in improved mend pet to cure any kind
of affliction on your pet.
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