PVE swords rogue talent setup?

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:48:15 +0200, "Devast8or" <invalid.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>I could use a little help on deciding on what talents my rogue should have.
>I'm using swords, I'm purely PVE (and most likely purely solo world
>grinding) and I want to try the combat tree. But I'm not really sure what
>talents to get.

Sounds a lot like my playstyle there

>Obviously I'd want Imp. SS, Precision, Dual Wield Specialization and Sword
>Specialization maxed out. I'm guessing Blade Flurry and Weapon xpertise
>would also be a really good thing to get. Other than that, I'm not really
>sure. I'd need a few extra talent points in combat to get to the lower
>tiers, I ws thinking of Lightning Reflexes (3/5), Parry (3/5) and Endurance
>(2/2).

Yep, Lightning Reflexes is very worth having, in fact if you're soloing all
the time having it maxed is good as you're always taking melee damage (even
against caster mobs they end up meleeing once you've kicked them) I'd also
suggest maxing Parry and taking Riposte - although it looks like a PVP
talent it disarms mobs too, and even those without obvious weapons to
disarm still take the damage, so it's a 10 energy big-damage move; mine
tends to crit higher than my sinister strikes do.

Weapon expertise depends... if you're human with the +swords racial you
probably don't need it unless you plan to raid as the benefits only really
come in against mobs 2-3+ lvls above you (unless you're still levelling?),
with the glancing blows damage reduction being nullified by higher skill. I
have it myself, as I do 20-man raids from time to time, but if I didn't
have the chance to do that I'm not sure if I'd have bothered.

>I think I'll also go for Ruthlessness and/or Initiative. I think I had them
>both before the patch, and they were really nice. Not sure if it's a good
>idea to go for them both, though, spreading my talents out a bit too much I
>think.

Ruthlessness is good, yes, as is Relentless Strikes and Lethality (yes it
looks like it's not swords orientated but the bonus to SS damage is still
pretty significant). My build currently is
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whe0oxZMLEz0Vzxfo - a bit of a mess but
works for me anyway.
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"Alastair Foster" <unclechibi DeleteThis @btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>> Ruthlessness is good, yes, as is Relentless Strikes and Lethality (yes it
>> looks like it's not swords orientated but the bonus to SS damage is still
>> pretty significant). My build currently is
>> http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whe0oxZMLEz0Vzxfo - a bit of a mess but
>> works for me anyway.
>
> No Imp. SnD? I thought most of a sword rogues damage comes from white
> normal hits.
>
> But i am a 100% dagger rogue fanboy so what do i know :p
>

Adrenaline rush is also pretty sweet for a swords rogue.

Ive just gone daggers, while swords i had a similar spec to the OP, the only
difference being
i didnt max wep specialisation, but took improved kick / improved sprint for
some pvp viability.
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On 14 Sep 2006 06:42:53 -0700, "Alastair Foster"
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>> Ruthlessness is good, yes, as is Relentless Strikes and Lethality (yes it
>> looks like it's not swords orientated but the bonus to SS damage is still
>> pretty significant). My build currently is
>> http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whe0oxZMLEz0Vzxfo - a bit of a mess but
>> works for me anyway.
>
>No Imp. SnD? I thought most of a sword rogues damage comes from white
>normal hits.

I had it before the patch, thought I'd try Imp Eviscerate instead when I
got the free respec. Not really sure which is better so far, but I find I
only use SnD when in groups (I mostly solo), and even then I usually just
eviscerate unless it's on a boss who'll stay alive a while. Probably not
the best way but believe me it's nice to see Evis crits of 1.5-1.6k instead
of the measly 1.2k which was my normal before I respecced (as I only have
760 attack power I don't think the scaling's contributed massively, and I
don't have rank 9 yet)
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> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:48:15 +0200, "Devast8or" <invalid DeleteThis @invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >I could use a little help on deciding on what talents my rogue should
have.
> >I'm using swords, I'm purely PVE (and most likely purely solo world
> >grinding) and I want to try the combat tree. But I'm not really sure what
> >talents to get.
>
> Sounds a lot like my playstyle there



I don't really play my rogue much anymore, I've changed to my warlock. But
it's still fun/useful to play the rogue once in a while, which is why all
these unspent talent points from the patch has to be spent somehow. And I
never got around to trying the combat tree even though I've always used
swords (yeah, bad idea I know )

> >Obviously I'd want Imp. SS, Precision, Dual Wield Specialization and
Sword
> >Specialization maxed out. I'm guessing Blade Flurry and Weapon xpertise
> >would also be a really good thing to get. Other than that, I'm not really
> >sure. I'd need a few extra talent points in combat to get to the lower
> >tiers, I ws thinking of Lightning Reflexes (3/5), Parry (3/5) and
Endurance
> >(2/2).
>
> Yep, Lightning Reflexes is very worth having, in fact if you're soloing
all
> the time having it maxed is good as you're always taking melee damage
(even
> against caster mobs they end up meleeing once you've kicked them) I'd also
> suggest maxing Parry and taking Riposte - although it looks like a PVP
> talent it disarms mobs too, and even those without obvious weapons to
> disarm still take the damage, so it's a 10 energy big-damage move; mine
> tends to crit higher than my sinister strikes do.

Nice. I'd completely disregarded that talent, but I'll take a look at it.

> Weapon expertise depends... if you're human with the +swords racial you
> probably don't need it unless you plan to raid as the benefits only really
> come in against mobs 2-3+ lvls above you (unless you're still levelling?),
> with the glancing blows damage reduction being nullified by higher skill.
I
> have it myself, as I do 20-man raids from time to time, but if I didn't
> have the chance to do that I'm not sure if I'd have bothered.

Ah, guess I forgot to say: I'm 60, I'm a gnome and I don't raid (with this
char at least). I guess I'll skip the weapon expertise then. I'm not
entirely sure what it does it seems, I thought higher skill = more damage
dealt. That's not true?

> >I think I'll also go for Ruthlessness and/or Initiative. I think I had
them
> >both before the patch, and they were really nice. Not sure if it's a good
> >idea to go for them both, though, spreading my talents out a bit too much
I
> >think.
>
> Ruthlessness is good, yes, as is Relentless Strikes and Lethality (yes it
> looks like it's not swords orientated but the bonus to SS damage is still
> pretty significant). My build currently is
> http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whe0oxZMLEz0Vzxfo - a bit of a mess but
> works for me anyway.

Looks nice. I'll consider spending the extra points in top of the combat
tree instead of somewhere else. And your assasinatino tree is about the same
as I had thought I'd go with. I see you have Adrenaline Rush, is that good?
I assume it would be about the same as drinking a cup of tea (which I always
forget )?

Devast8or
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:10:43 +0200, "Devast8or" <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>"Catriona R" <catrionarNOSPAM.RemoveThis@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Weapon expertise depends... if you're human with the +swords racial you
>> probably don't need it unless you plan to raid as the benefits only really
>> come in against mobs 2-3+ lvls above you (unless you're still levelling?),
>> with the glancing blows damage reduction being nullified by higher skill.
>I
>> have it myself, as I do 20-man raids from time to time, but if I didn't
>> have the chance to do that I'm not sure if I'd have bothered.
>
>Ah, guess I forgot to say: I'm 60, I'm a gnome and I don't raid (with this
>char at least). I guess I'll skip the weapon expertise then. I'm not
>entirely sure what it does it seems, I thought higher skill = more damage
>dealt. That's not true?

It is true, but my understanding is that when your weapon skill is equal or
higher than the mob's defence skill (which usually scales with the mob
level the same way as it does on players, the difference isn't so much. It
really comes in useful on those mobs where glancing blows come into play,
ie 62-63, as on those higher skill means less damage reduction on a
glancing blow.

I'm not entirely sure how much use it is if you never fight higher level
mobs - if you've got the points to spare I'd go for it anyway, it certainly
can't hurt, but don't worry about dropping something important to fit it
in. And if I'm wrong with my assessment I'm sure someone will put me right
shortly

>> Ruthlessness is good, yes, as is Relentless Strikes and Lethality (yes it
>> looks like it's not swords orientated but the bonus to SS damage is still
>> pretty significant). My build currently is
>> http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=whe0oxZMLEz0Vzxfo - a bit of a mess but
>> works for me anyway.
>
>Looks nice. I'll consider spending the extra points in top of the combat
>tree instead of somewhere else. And your assasinatino tree is about the same
>as I had thought I'd go with. I see you have Adrenaline Rush, is that good?
>I assume it would be about the same as drinking a cup of tea (which I always
>forget )?

It's better than the tea in my experience, mathematically the tea is 100
energy (and I always forget it too!) while AR is 15 seconds of 100%
increased energy regen, so an extra 7 or 8 ticks of 20 energy I think, in
any case it's more than 100. Plus it doesn't have the timing issue with tea
where you can just bet you manage to hit it right after a tick so only gain
about 70-80 energy not the full 100.

I certainly find it very useful indeed, when it's on I can really spam
sinister strike and eviscerate and hurt mobs a lot - that plus evasion and
blade flurry allows me to solo a few things that would otherwise be almost
impossible, like High Chief Winterfall and his two friends; I wouldn't like
to try them with any other build, although they may well be possible I
guess (before someone comes along and tells me it's easy with X build ).
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