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Knight37 wrote:
> getrich.TakeThisOut@1upandup.com once tried to test me with:
>
> > What are the reasons you see the PS3 being the top selling console,
> > beating out the 360 and Wii? List rational reasons why you see this
> > happening, and what percentage of sales you see would be based on that
> > reason. Like, if you believe BluRay is critical, you would end up
> > saying 50% of PS3's sales would depend on this. Linux onboard may
> > count for others.
> >
> > The PS3 is starting out a year later than the 360, with development a
> > year behind. It also has less series locked up this time, and will be
> > the most expensive console. These do work against it.
> >
> > But, why do you believe the PS3 will be the top console this time
> > around?
>
> The only way it will happen is IF:
>
> 1. Sony's Hype is actually more or less true - the PS3 actually IS superior
> to the Xbox 360 and noticably better, then the hardcore of the hardcore
> will splash out for the additional costs to get the best.
>
> 2. Sony cons most of the Japanese 3rd party developers into ONLY supporing
> the PS3. Nothing for 360 from Square-Enix, Atlas, etc. I think this might
> happen for the most part (companies I really want to see anyway).
>
> 3. Price reduction. Needs to be $300 or less by Xmas 2008.
>
> 4. More exclusives than what we've been reading about so far. Fortunately I
> don't really see this as a problem, but it may take a couple of years.
>
> 5. Their online service has to outdo Live and outdo it for free.
>
> 6. Pack in some killer games. That always sells systems.
>
>
> --
>
> Knight37 - http://knightgames.blogspot.com
>
> Once a Gamer, Always a Gamer.

I personally can't see people spending $600 for a system with the same
controllers minus the rumble feature, with a design based on a hope
that bluray won't be the next betamax.
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Android <androvich DeleteThis @NOSPAMcomcast.net> spake thusly:

> Consumers have a certain amount of loyalty, and for a
> lot of people who aren't hardcore gamers, the PlayStation name is
> synonymous with gaming (just as Atari was to my generation, or
> Nintendo to the generation after ours).

And what happened to Atari and Nintendo? They faltered and slipped from the
top.

> Neither the Xbox or GameCube
> really made much of a dent in the last hardware generation.

True, but the Xbox has already become a household name. You see it mentioned
all the time everywhere from sitcoms to late night talk shows. Among a young
adult demographic, "Xbox" has pretty much become the default word for video
game system. Just today an Associated Press piece on the Emmy awards has one
of the actors from Scrubs saying he'd rather skip the Emmys and stay home
and play his Xbox. Other than the iPod, I can't think of another recent
product that's become a familiar brand name as quickly.

> Let's face it--360 is never going to
> sell in Japan, so they already have that going against them, and
> Nintendo isn't going to shed its "kiddie" image overnight...and
> certainly not with a controller you wave around.

The PS3 will destory the 360 in Japan. But the 360 is likely to beat the PS3
in most other markets, at least for the first couple of years, possibly
forever.

> As
> for #1, prices always come down. It's just a matter of how long
> until the drop and how much the price drops.

But with the price starting so much higher, it just means it will take that
much longer for it to drop to the level that casual consumers find
palatable.

> As for #2, 2007 should
> see some AAA exclusives

The day of the third party exclusives are numbered. Just as Assassins Creed
and Mercenaries 2 are coming to the 360, there's speculation that Saint's
Row and Lost Planet will eventually end up on the PS3. The more expensive it
is to produce games, and the less difference there is between the hardware
power, the harder it will be for third party devs to justify exclusives.

> and if the cell processor really is all
> that, eventually we'll be able to notice that PS3 games look superior
> to Xbox 360 titles (in the same way that Xbox and GC games look
> better than PS2 games overall).

Eventually when? And will it make a difference? Like you say, Xbox games
looked better than PS2 games, but because the PS2 came out first and the
Xbox was an unknown, there was more developer and consumer support were
behind the PS2. Now the tables have turned slightly.

> As for #3, if Blu-Ray does win the
> next-gen format war, we'll be glad to have that capability. If it
> doesn't, who cares? We'll just use it to play games.

Blu-ray is a nice bonus feature, for sure -- I have no interest in high def
DVDs right now given how limited the selection is, but I'll probably buy a
couple Blu-ray movies when I get my PS3. But if it makes the console cost
$200 more than the competition while making Sony lose more money on each
console than the competition, it's a big fat albatross around Sony's neck if
Blu-ray doesn't win the format war.

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Android wrote:

> Let's face it. Consumers have a certain amount of loyalty, and for a lot of
> people who aren't hardcore gamers, the PlayStation name is synonymous with
> gaming (just as Atari was to my generation, or Nintendo to the generation
> after ours).

That's just the thing though... the gaming market doesn't seem to go
that way... Sony was the first company to dominate two consecutive
generations, it hadn't been done before. When the PS launched in 1995
they did so without a signature character, which had never been done.
They launched with original franchises, which had never been done. Sony
defied the expectations and succeeded anyway, and in a big way.

Look at the generational winners:

1 - Atari (2600)

2 - Nintendo (NES)

3 - Sega (Genesis) - Yes, there are those who argue the SNES did more,
but that's because Nintendo refused to step up to the next generation
and kept selling SNES machines against the Saturn and Playstation while
Sega moved on.

4 - Indeterminate generation. This is the generation that saw the Sega
CD, 32X, Phillips CDi, 3DO, Nintendo Virtual Boy, Apple Pippin,
Commodore CD-32, Tandy Viz, Atari Jaguar. It kind of spreads between 3
and 5, but the hardware is unique enough that I split it out into it's
own unique generation. No clear winner, but the Sega CD did sell the
most units (2,500,000 in North America alone) and had the most software
titles released for it. Noted for proving the idea of the "set top
multimedia box" was a massive failure.

5 - Playstation

6 - Playstation 2

7 - ?
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getrich.TakeThisOut@1upandup.com once tried to test me with:

> What are the reasons you see the PS3 being the top selling console,
> beating out the 360 and Wii? List rational reasons why you see this
> happening, and what percentage of sales you see would be based on that
> reason. Like, if you believe BluRay is critical, you would end up
> saying 50% of PS3's sales would depend on this. Linux onboard may
> count for others.
>
> The PS3 is starting out a year later than the 360, with development a
> year behind. It also has less series locked up this time, and will be
> the most expensive console. These do work against it.
>
> But, why do you believe the PS3 will be the top console this time
> around?

The only way it will happen is IF:

1. Sony's Hype is actually more or less true - the PS3 actually IS superior
to the Xbox 360 and noticably better, then the hardcore of the hardcore
will splash out for the additional costs to get the best.

2. Sony cons most of the Japanese 3rd party developers into ONLY supporing
the PS3. Nothing for 360 from Square-Enix, Atlas, etc. I think this might
happen for the most part (companies I really want to see anyway).

3. Price reduction. Needs to be $300 or less by Xmas 2008.

4. More exclusives than what we've been reading about so far. Fortunately I
don't really see this as a problem, but it may take a couple of years.

5. Their online service has to outdo Live and outdo it for free.

6. Pack in some killer games. That always sells systems.


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I think sony will win ultimately, due to japan. But PS3 will not overly
dominate this time around. It won't reache 100 million sold either. I
say this for the following reasons:

1. 360 will have an 8.5 million lead (e.g. 10 million to 1.5m
shipments) by the end of the year. This is assuming PS3 even launches
this year...
2. Sony has an important decision to make on priority, which is more
important BR player or PS3 shipments. Both are using similar components
which are already in short supply. Sony will decided on BR player
shipments and that will make PS3 even more scarce. BR launch has been a
disaster so far. Sony can't afford to lose even more ground to HD-DVD
3. PS3 will continue to have shortages until next May. In the meantime
360 will continue to sell well due to strong game lineup and price drop
next spring.
4. Wii is going to sell well and be a serious threat to PS3 in japan
5. Fall 2007 will be all about GTA4 (multiplatform) and Halo 3. M$ is
going to hype Halo3 to death
6. PS3 price will be too high for the average gamer for quite some
time. By the time it reaches the sweet spot, e.g. $150, the *next* XBox
will be close to launching.

Thus I expect 360 to have a strong lead going into 2008. From then
on...who knows? I do expect PS3 to have its first price drop in 2008.
Brand name recognition can only carry a company so far. Besides, M$ has
spent millions in product placement to make the XBox name
ubiquitous(sp?) in households.
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Dear Andre Matuch !

"For an old guy you really seem to be ill-informed."

1) illogical statement. us "old guys" are SUPPOSED to be confused no ?

2) OUCH !!! Wait till YOU turn 49 and someone calls you an "old guy"

3) I'll be the FIRST to admit....I'm relatively NEW to gaming and YES I
AM ill informed.

So you just educated me.....thank you. (not being sarcastic....i mean
it)

have to finish this later.....get to clinic before they close...... for
medications .

(NO ! NOT VIAGRA
!!!)....................................................Tony 6527

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knight37 wrote:

> > That's just the thing though... the gaming market doesn't seem to go
> > that way... Sony was the first company to dominate two consecutive
> > generations, it hadn't been done before. When the PS launched in 1995
> > they did so without a signature character, which had never been done.
>
> What? How can you forget Crash Bandicoot?!

Crash wasn't a launch title. The system came out on 9/9/95 in the US,
Crash hit about a year later.

- Jordan
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Well even if you own an HDTV (as I do) I wouldn't say buying a PS3 is a
"no brainer". Sony has shown no *playable* PS3 games at E3, and did not
even bother to show up at over game expos. Additionally blu-ray has
been a disaster so far; HD-DVD is killing blu-ray in player and movie
sales. Thus buying a PS3 is far from being a no brainer, especially at
its high price.

SamuelF566 DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> I Would say the gaming market is trying to keep up with next gen
> technology but in doing so its also gearing towards the rich who have
> the best TV'S. I myself have a 32" HDTV And the picture quality is
> amazing. If you can afford an HDTV and a PS3 Then its a no brainer. the
> problem is many people don't...and for just better picture quality they
> will stick to their PS2 For now I think till prices drop way down on
> both TV'S and systems.
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 getrich.DeleteThis@1upandup.com wrote:
> What are the reasons you see the PS3 being the top selling console,
> beating out the 360 and Wii? List rational reasons why you see this
> happening, and what percentage of sales you see would be based on that
> reason. Like, if you believe BluRay is critical, you would end up
> saying 50% of PS3's sales would depend on this. Linux onboard may
> count for others.

IF the PS3 still manages to be on top, it's going to be because of the
huge existing base from the PS2.

Most people who will buy a console will do so based on name recognition.
They heard that the PS2 was good, so they'll buy a PS3.

Hopefully there'll be other reasons to buy a PS3, like you know, games.

Otherwise, when Sony announces the PS4, no one will care.
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Zackman <zackman.TakeThisOut@spamisevilearthling.net> wrote:

> True, but the Xbox has already become a household name. You see it mentioned
> all the time everywhere from sitcoms to late night talk shows. Among a young
> adult demographic, "Xbox" has pretty much become the default word for video
> game system. Just today an Associated Press piece on the Emmy awards has one
> of the actors from Scrubs saying he'd rather skip the Emmys and stay home
> and play his Xbox. Other than the iPod, I can't think of another recent
> product that's become a familiar brand name as quickly.

Yes, amazing what paid product placement does for you...

Honestly, when I see actors talk about Xbox, I just have to roll my eyes
and wonder if they ever played a video game for more than 5 or 10 minutes.

> > Let's face it--360 is never going to
> > sell in Japan, so they already have that going against them, and
> > Nintendo isn't going to shed its "kiddie" image overnight...and
> > certainly not with a controller you wave around.

> The PS3 will destory the 360 in Japan. But the 360 is likely to beat the PS3
> in most other markets, at least for the first couple of years, possibly
> forever.

> > As
> > for #1, prices always come down. It's just a matter of how long
> > until the drop and how much the price drops.

> But with the price starting so much higher, it just means it will take that
> much longer for it to drop to the level that casual consumers find
> palatable.

> > As for #2, 2007 should
> > see some AAA exclusives

> The day of the third party exclusives are numbered. Just as Assassins Creed
> and Mercenaries 2 are coming to the 360, there's speculation that Saint's
> Row and Lost Planet will eventually end up on the PS3. The more expensive it
> is to produce games, and the less difference there is between the hardware
> power, the harder it will be for third party devs to justify exclusives.

> > and if the cell processor really is all
> > that, eventually we'll be able to notice that PS3 games look superior
> > to Xbox 360 titles (in the same way that Xbox and GC games look
> > better than PS2 games overall).

> Eventually when? And will it make a difference? Like you say, Xbox games
> looked better than PS2 games, but because the PS2 came out first and the
> Xbox was an unknown, there was more developer and consumer support were
> behind the PS2. Now the tables have turned slightly.

> > As for #3, if Blu-Ray does win the
> > next-gen format war, we'll be glad to have that capability. If it
> > doesn't, who cares? We'll just use it to play games.

> Blu-ray is a nice bonus feature, for sure -- I have no interest in high def
> DVDs right now given how limited the selection is, but I'll probably buy a
> couple Blu-ray movies when I get my PS3. But if it makes the console cost
> $200 more than the competition while making Sony lose more money on each
> console than the competition, it's a big fat albatross around Sony's neck if
> Blu-ray doesn't win the format war.

> -Z-
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 knight37 <knight37m.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 1 - Atari (2600)

> They invented video games so of course they won the first generation.
>

Not quite...that was the home Pong machine.
There was also the Odysee (my dad had one), which used plastic sheets you
stuck to your TV's screen with static in order to play the various games
which were literally just more variations of Pong...but now with COLOR
(well, sorta)

It seems to me that there was also a "1.5 generation" which had things like
the home computer/game console combos, like the Odysee2, Atari400 and the
Comodore64 (come on - who used a C64 to do non-game stuff? After that,
gaming really split between computers (Apple II, PC proper) and consoles
(Nintendo, Sega)

> > 2 - Nintendo (NES)

> Again, NES came around when there was no other game in town. I'd never
> even seen a Sega Master System until long after NES dominated this
> generation.

Even if you didn't see them, there were other systems out there.

> > 5 - Playstation

> No doubt. N64 was a decent system but PS1 was clearly the dominant
> platform, unquestionably. The Sega Saturn was almost a no-show. I have
> a Saturn and there are a few decent games for it but honestly it's not
> really worth owning. N64 is at least worth having.

I thought there were more better quality titles for the Saturn despite its
short lifespan compared to the entire lifetime of the N64.
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 SAMF2000 <SamuelF566.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> I personally can't see people spending $600 for a system with the same
> controllers minus the rumble feature, with a design based on a hope
> that bluray won't be the next betamax.

For the gamer, whether Blu-ray goes the way of betamax isn't really a
concern. Sony has said that all games will come on Blu-ray, regardless.
The only possible problem this poses is if, indeed, Blu-ray fails to
survive as a video format. If this happend, Sony would still have to
produce expensive Blu-ray drives for the PS3, but their price wouldn't
decrease as fast, which could mean fewer price drops for the console.
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Doug Jacobs <djacobs RemoveThis @shell.rawbw.com> once tried to test me with:

> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 knight37 <knight37m RemoveThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > 1 - Atari (2600)
>
>> They invented video games so of course they won the first generation.
>>
>
> Not quite...that was the home Pong machine.

But it was Atari's.

> There was also the Odysee (my dad had one), which used plastic sheets
> you stuck to your TV's screen with static in order to play the various
> games which were literally just more variations of Pong...but now with
> COLOR (well, sorta)

Woo hoo!

> It seems to me that there was also a "1.5 generation" which had things
> like the home computer/game console combos, like the Odysee2, Atari400
> and the Comodore64 (come on - who used a C64 to do non-game stuff?
> After that, gaming really split between computers (Apple II, PC
> proper) and consoles (Nintendo, Sega)

Yeah that Atari 5200 or whateve has to go in somewhere, it was definitely
better than the 2600.

>> > 2 - Nintendo (NES)
>
>> Again, NES came around when there was no other game in town. I'd
>> never even seen a Sega Master System until long after NES dominated
>> this generation.
>
> Even if you didn't see them, there were other systems out there.

That sucked.

>> > 5 - Playstation
>
>> No doubt. N64 was a decent system but PS1 was clearly the dominant
>> platform, unquestionably. The Sega Saturn was almost a no-show. I
>> have a Saturn and there are a few decent games for it but honestly
>> it's not really worth owning. N64 is at least worth having.
>
> I thought there were more better quality titles for the Saturn despite
> its short lifespan compared to the entire lifetime of the N64.

Well I played the hell out of my N64 and barely touched the Saturn... so of
course, YMMV.


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