PS3 Ratchet and Clank Early Reviews - Perfect Scores!!

Jonah Falcon <jonahnynla.RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:

> "this 10-12 hour adventure." That's kinda short, no?

For the first play-thru of a R&C title? Yes it is. Usually took me about
15-20 hours to get through a R&C title the first time, then another 3-4
hours to get through the second time (earning enough bolts to buy every
weapon, upgrade, etc), then maybe another few hours spent getting
whatever skillpoints unlocked I could before getting bored with the game.
Usually about 25-30 hours total.

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On Oct 24, 10:39 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Oct 24, 9:46 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Oct 24, 7:29 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > On Oct 24, 5:09 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Oct 24, 4:47 pm, elro....TakeThisOut@pop.uky.edu wrote:
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> > > > > Gamespot sure didn't give it a perfect score (but they're notoriously
> > > > > tough reviewers). But it looks like the PS3 may well have an exclusive
> > > > > that finally at least breaks 90 on Metacritic (just barely, it's right
> > > > > on the border with a 90 as I type this).
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> > > > > Now if Sony can just find three or four more of them, they might have
> > > > > a shot at stealing some of MS's thunder.
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> > > > Unfortunately, it's extremely easy and very short. In reviewer's
> > > > words, "a kiddie game".
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> > > I read the review. It didn't say it was "very short". Given that you
> > > will refuse to play R&C due to its status as a PS3 exclusive, I don't
> > > think your "interpretation" of the review is particularly valid. Halo
> > > 3 was criticized as being short by a number of people, yet you hold it
> > > as godhead. R&C is called "too easy" in one review, and you're all
> > > over it with the criticism. Go figure. Neither game is perfect, or
> > > particularly original at this point......something both you and Alvin
> > > need to get through your heads.
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> > To be fair... perfection and originality are not requirements for good
> > or even great games... although those qualities (especially perfection
> > LOL) can help.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, let's see. I think it was IGN that gave a 12-15 hour range for
a runthrough, not counting the challenge mode unlocked afterwards.
And either of those ranges is still more than what reviewers say the
average playtime of either Halo 3 or Gears of War is on a normal
difficulty level (6-8 hours, depending on skill?). Yet, I didn't see
you pointing out the average playtimes for those games as a negative.
Half-Life 2 runs between 10-15 hours, yet is considered a great game.

If you want to be considered a REAL journalist, you have to at least
try to overcome your fanboyism when it comes to non-MS consoles.
Otherwise, people won't take your efforts seriously.
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khee mao <big_bad_buddha_daddy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, it's extremely easy and very short. In reviewer's
> > words, "a kiddie game".
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> what is the world coming to when games are being designed for kids?!?!?!?

I have no problems with kiddie games. However, previous R&C titles were
not kiddie games. They may not have been very hard, but they still
weren't kiddie games.

If the reviewers (whom, I assume have had some experience with previous
R&C titles) are saying the game is too easy, that's not a good thing. And
if the developers are saying they toned down the game to make it kid
friendly, that's also not a good thing.

Kiddie stuff has its place, and can still be appreciated as being well
executed (e.g. Seasame Street is still considered a good kid's program
even though most folks stop watching it after they turn 8-9...) However
that doesn't mean that EVERYTHING must be kiddie-ized.

Do you think a CSI would still be considered a great adult show if the
writers decided to make it into a children's program? Probably not.

R&C may still be a decent game, but being told it's been simplified for
kids certainly knocks this from being a "Must Buy" to "Maybe I'll Rent
It".

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Nick Soapdish, Jr. wrote:
> On Oct 24, 10:39 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 24, 9:46 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> On Oct 24, 7:29 pm, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Oct 24, 5:09 pm, Jonah Falcon <jonahny....TakeThisOut@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 24, 4:47 pm, elro....TakeThisOut@pop.uky.edu wrote:
>>>>>> Gamespot sure didn't give it a perfect score (but they're notoriously
>>>>>> tough reviewers). But it looks like the PS3 may well have an exclusive
>>>>>> that finally at least breaks 90 on Metacritic (just barely, it's right
>>>>>> on the border with a 90 as I type this).
>>>>>> Now if Sony can just find three or four more of them, they might have
>>>>>> a shot at stealing some of MS's thunder.
>>>>> Unfortunately, it's extremely easy and very short. In reviewer's
>>>>> words, "a kiddie game".
>>>> I read the review. It didn't say it was "very short". Given that you
>>>> will refuse to play R&C due to its status as a PS3 exclusive, I don't
>>>> think your "interpretation" of the review is particularly valid. Halo
>>>> 3 was criticized as being short by a number of people, yet you hold it
>>>> as godhead. R&C is called "too easy" in one review, and you're all
>>>> over it with the criticism. Go figure. Neither game is perfect, or
>>>> particularly original at this point......something both you and Alvin
>>>> need to get through your heads.
>>> To be fair... perfection and originality are not requirements for good
>>> or even great games... although those qualities (especially perfection
>>> LOL) can help.- Hide quoted text -
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>> "this 10-12 hour adventure." That's kinda short, no?- Hide quoted text -
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> Well, let's see. I think it was IGN that gave a 12-15 hour range for
> a runthrough, not counting the challenge mode unlocked afterwards.
> And either of those ranges is still more than what reviewers say the
> average playtime of either Halo 3 or Gears of War is on a normal
> difficulty level (6-8 hours, depending on skill?). Yet, I didn't see
> you pointing out the average playtimes for those games as a negative.
> Half-Life 2 runs between 10-15 hours, yet is considered a great game.
>
> If you want to be considered a REAL journalist, you have to at least
> try to overcome your fanboyism when it comes to non-MS consoles.
> Otherwise, people won't take your efforts seriously.
>
Yes I've noticed that it not just him but a few xbox fanboys have said
it. A lot of 360 games are very short and they still get raved up, but
soon as a PS3 game gets similar play times it gets slated.
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On Oct 24, 4:47 pm, elro... DeleteThis @pop.uky.edu wrote:
> Gamespot sure didn't give it a perfect score (but they're notoriously
> tough reviewers). But it looks like the PS3 may well have an exclusive
> that finally at least breaks 90 on Metacritic (just barely, it's right
> on the border with a 90 as I type this).

Looks like I spoke too soon. It's back down to 89. Looks like PS3 fans
will have to spend yet another Christmas with no 90+ metacritic games.
Better luck next year, guys!
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Nick Soapdish, Jr. <JGordon452 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
> Well, let's see. I think it was IGN that gave a 12-15 hour range for
> a runthrough, not counting the challenge mode unlocked afterwards.
> And either of those ranges is still more than what reviewers say the
> average playtime of either Halo 3 or Gears of War is on a normal
> difficulty level (6-8 hours, depending on skill?). Yet, I didn't see
> you pointing out the average playtimes for those games as a negative.
> Half-Life 2 runs between 10-15 hours, yet is considered a great game.

I assume that the 10-12 hr. figure was based on just the first run-thru of
the game, and doesn't include time for Challenge mode, or time spent
acquiring all the weapons, special bolts, and skill points. Given that
other R&C games usually ran 15-20 hours for the first run-thru, 10-12 is
shorter.

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> Jonah Falcon <jonahnynla RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:
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>> "this 10-12 hour adventure." That's kinda short, no?
>
> For the first play-thru of a R&C title? Yes it is. Usually took me about
> 15-20 hours to get through a R&C title the first time, then another 3-4
> hours to get through the second time (earning enough bolts to buy every
> weapon, upgrade, etc), then maybe another few hours spent getting
> whatever skillpoints unlocked I could before getting bored with the game.
> Usually about 25-30 hours total.

This one doesn't work that way.
I won't go into too much just incase of spoilers but when you beat it you
unlock challenge mode and the game starts over with almost everything you
already unlocked.
I am half way through my 2nd run through and I am spending about the same
amount of times because I am trying to find all the hidden items and power
ups. IMHO this is the best R&C game I have played. The reviewer from GS
should be fired. He doesn't know what he is talking about at all when it
comes to this game.
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On Oct 26, 12:16 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac....RemoveThis@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> Nick Soapdish, Jr. <JGordon....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
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> > Well, let's see. I think it was IGN that gave a 12-15 hour range for
> > a runthrough, not counting the challenge mode unlocked afterwards.
> > And either of those ranges is still more than what reviewers say the
> > average playtime of either Halo 3 or Gears of War is on a normal
> > difficulty level (6-8 hours, depending on skill?). Yet, I didn't see
> > you pointing out the average playtimes for those games as a negative.
> > Half-Life 2 runs between 10-15 hours, yet is considered a great game.
>
> I assume that the 10-12 hr. figure was based on just the first run-thru of
> the game, and doesn't include time for Challenge mode, or time spent
> acquiring all the weapons, special bolts, and skill points. Given that
> other R&C games usually ran 15-20 hours for the first run-thru, 10-12 is
> shorter.
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One figure said 12-15 hours. R&C: Up Your Arsenal (the third one)
wasn't that long, truth be told. Some of the levels were surprisingly
small, and one (Blackwater City) was pretty much just a couple of
shortish battle segments. Going Commando's length was due not quite
so much to there being so much content (the worlds were at times
smaller than those in the first game), but due to the fact that it
took _forever_ to level up all your weapons, and a few harder segments
(the races were not easy, and the battle arena had some really tough
challenges to complete if you wanted to go 100%).
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