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Since: Apr 08, 2005 Posts: 155
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:55 pm
Post subject: Re: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: rec>games>video>sega (more info?)
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Trolli Hayashi wrote:
> BelPowerslave wrote:
> > Trolli Hayashi wrote more bullshit:
> >
> > Hey Eiji are you sure you wouldn't rather talk about the Xbox 360's HD
> > DVD rom...or is the logic behind it too "annoying" by your
> > standards(ha, ha).
> >
> > Bel
>
> WTH are you rambling about?
Oh, you know exactly what I'm talking about:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sega.genesis/browse_frm/thread/a05e...af3b69f
Any further info you'd like to give us with your awesome insight into
the peripheral?
BTW, I'm loving the new, "sassy" Eiji with stuff like "WTH" and "STFU".
Too cool man, too cool.
....and let me guess, even though you've repeatedly said you're done
with this group, you're back for one last try to convert all of the
heretics....you're not just trolling, right?
Bel
---
"You're not in AGVX anymore where you can get hords of MSfanboys to
support your position. Where's your little pet Brun anyways? doesn't he
follow you around everywhere you go? I on the other hand, have plenty
of supporters here"
- Eiji Hayashi, RGVS, 2004
{we're still waiting for these supporters} >> Stay informed about: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo |
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Since: Jul 20, 2006 Posts: 378
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:03 am
Post subject: Re: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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The PS3 could be the next Saturn. In the USA the Saturn was $100 more
expensive than the original Playstation at launch. The consoles didn't
show much difference at all in quality, while the Playstation seemed to
do 3D better actually, the hot and in-demand feature people wanted.
The PS3 could end up the next Saturn. It is the console that has Sony
become the third-place player in the console business. Song bleeds its
entire surplus and ends up like Sega the next round with the PS4 being
like the Dreamcast. Then Sony bows out of the console business and
goes the way of the Saturn.
- Richard Hutnik
MR MR wrote:
> While the Playstation 3 boasts a lot of power and impressive specs,
> mainstream America will not pay $600.00 for a home videogame system. If
> you don't believe me, just ask Trip Hawkins or SNK.
>
> Both the 3DO & SNK Neo-Geo systems were powerful home systems. Both
> systems were also overpriced with a suggested retail price of $600.00.
> And neither one of them set the world on fire or found mainstream
> success.
>
> The PS3 (like the 3DO & Neo Geo) will have early adopters who create
> impressive initial sales numbers for Sony. However, those sales will
> fall briskly as Sony is surpassed by both Microsoft and Nintendo.
>
> Sony will finally know what it's like to be firmly in 3rd place.
>
> Of course the PS3 will sell more units than either the 3DO or Neo Geo
> did in their day. Sony has the advantage of name recognition and
> die-hard loyal fans.
>
> Consumers will ultimately decide the fate of the PS3. Why buy an all
> powerful home system for $600.00 when you can purchase a game machine
> from Nintendo or Microsoft for $200.00 - $400.00?
>
> Most mainstream Americans just want to play games. They don't need an
> all in one system which runs their lives.
>
> The 3DO was supposed to change the world. It was supposed to be the
> all-in-one set top box which would revolutionize home entertainment. It
> was supposed to play movies (VCDs) and have all sorts of upgrades and
> expansions. Does this sound familiar? It should. Sony's PS3 business
> plan virtually mirrors the business plan set forth by Trip Hawkins for
> the 3DO in the 1990's.
>
> The SNK Neo-Geo was just an overpriced game machine. It was the rich
> man's system. The $600.00 home system with $200.00 games. It offered a
> true arcade experience at home. The AES never experienced mainstream
> success because it was overpriced. At least SNK was honest and focused
> on what they do best: Make Games. Unlike Sony & 3DO who tried to make a
> set-top box which does it all.
>
> I believe that Sony is going to fail this time. The PS3 will have
> moderate success (Think Dreamcast) but will not surpass PS1 or PS2
> hardware sales numbers. And I firmly believe that the PS3 will not be
> the #1 next generation platform.
>
> Before you accuse me of being a Microsoft or Nintendo fan-boy, let me
> tell you that I currently own a PS2 and about 25 games. I also own tons
> of PS1 games and purchased the PS1 on launch day. I was really looking
> forward to the PS3 until they released the price and system details. I
> don't need an all-in-one device. I just want to play great games.
>
> I am now looking at the Nintendo Wii & X-Box 360 as possible purchases.
> Nintendo is focusing on what they do best: Make great games (and
> controllers). Nintendo doesn't have the money that Sony & Microsoft do
> so they are working hard to re-invent the industry with new innovations.
> If the DS games are any indication of the future of Wii, Where do I sign
> up?
>
> I could be wrong, but this is how I see the future of Next-Generation
> gaming:
>
> 1.) Nintendo Wii
> 2.) X-Box 360
> 3.) PS3
>
> What do you think??? >> Stay informed about: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo |
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Since: Apr 08, 2005 Posts: 155
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:40 pm
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Ted wrote:
> getrich.DeleteThis@1upandup.com wrote:
> Song bleeds its
> > entire surplus and ends up like Sega the next round with the PS4 being
> > like the Dreamcast.
>
> Then I can't wait for the PS4...
Um, Ted, Eiji is not going to like that comment....are you sure you
wouldn't like to revise it?
Bel >> Stay informed about: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo |
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Since: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 516
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:55 pm
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Since: Mar 29, 2005 Posts: 54
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:24 am
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Ted wrote:
> Scott H wrote:
> > > Um, Ted, Eiji is not going to like that comment....are you sure you
> > > wouldn't like to revise it?
> > >
> > > Bel
> >
> > That's right! Everything Sony does is solid gold, so looking
> > ahead just makes no sense, live in the now!
>
> From a comment that just meant I love the DC, there's been a whole lot
> of shaking going on...
Sorry, we're not meaning to give you a hard time, we're helping Eiji
out on his righteous crusade!
>
> snip
> > Sony even stole technology for their controllers (4).
> snip
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> Like the Genesis...
Do you mean the Atari controller port deal? Didn't Sega settle out of
court, and then give Atari a lot of money to start publishing games
again? I recall reading something about this making the Jaguar
possible as well.
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Scott >> Stay informed about: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo |
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Since: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 516
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:55 am
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Scott H wrote:
>
> BelPowerslave wrote:
> > Ted wrote:
> > > getrich DeleteThis @1upandup.com wrote:
> > > Song bleeds its
> > > > entire surplus and ends up like Sega the next round with the
> PS4 being
> > > > like the Dreamcast.
> > >
> > > Then I can't wait for the PS4...
> >
> > Um, Ted, Eiji is not going to like that comment....are you sure you
> > wouldn't like to revise it?
> >
> > Bel
>
> That's right! Everything Sony does is solid gold, so looking
> ahead just makes no sense, live in the now!
From a comment that just meant I love the DC, there's been a whole lot
of shaking going on...
snip
> Sony even stole technology for their controllers (4).
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Since: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 516
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:55 pm
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Scott H wrote:
>
> Ted wrote:
> > Scott H wrote:
> > > > Um, Ted, Eiji is not going to like that comment....are you sure you
> > > > wouldn't like to revise it?
> > > >
> > > > Bel
> > >
> > > That's right! Everything Sony does is solid gold, so looking
> > > ahead just makes no sense, live in the now!
> >
> > From a comment that just meant I love the DC, there's been a whole lot
> > of shaking going on...
>
> Sorry, we're not meaning to give you a hard time, we're helping Eiji
> out on his righteous crusade!
I didn't think it was aimed at me; just a comment.
>
> >
> > snip
> > > Sony even stole technology for their controllers (4).
> > snip
> >
> > Like the Genesis...
>
> Do you mean the Atari controller port deal? Didn't Sega settle out of
> court, and then give Atari a lot of money to start publishing games
> again? I recall reading something about this making the Jaguar
> possible as well.
Virtually everything settles without going to trial. And patent
infringmeent in this case was pretty cut and dry. I've also heard the
cash from the case was essentially sunk into the Jag. I don't think any
money went from Sega to Atari to make games for Sega systems (which was
implied in your statement, but I may be wrong about your intentions
there), as the console business and the arcade Ataris were separate by
that time, and Atari's home division never made anything for a Sega
system before it was sold off as a name. Was the Atari Anthology even by
the home divions successor in interest or was it the arcade division's? >> Stay informed about: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo |
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Since: Sep 10, 2005 Posts: 72
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:17 pm
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Ted wrote:
> Scott H wrote:
>>> Like the Genesis...
>> Do you mean the Atari controller port deal? Didn't Sega settle out of
>> court, and then give Atari a lot of money to start publishing games
>> again? I recall reading something about this making the Jaguar
>> possible as well.
>
> Virtually everything settles without going to trial. And patent
> infringmeent in this case was pretty cut and dry. I've also heard the
> cash from the case was essentially sunk into the Jag. I don't think any
> money went from Sega to Atari to make games for Sega systems (which was
> implied in your statement, but I may be wrong about your intentions
> there), as the console business and the arcade Ataris were separate by
> that time, and Atari's home division never made anything for a Sega
> system before it was sold off as a name. Was the Atari Anthology even by
> the home divions successor in interest or was it the arcade division's?
Right, but in the Emmersion case, Sony chose to fight and lost,
while MS settled out of court and Nintendo and Sega had previously been
paying them already. It's just one of many examples of Sony's business
tactics, whether one likes them or not is another thing entirely.
I'm not sure who released the Genesis Atari collections, I might
be able to find out tomorrow though, when I can look at a box. I am
also not certain that I recall any kind of deal for games from Atari for
the Genesis specifically. The deal I'm recalling was something between
Sega and Nintendo and Atari, where the former two basically provided
life support for Atari financially, in exchange for games. I'm not sure
what came of that though.
--
Scott
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Since: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 516
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:55 pm
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:55 pm
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BelPowerslave wrote:
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> > > Pipe down there spider tits,
> >
> > "Spider tits"?
>
> I think I've been hanging around my Spider Daedra too much.
>
> I'm not sure if you're playing Oblivion, but if you are, try summoning
> one of those things when you see some deer running around.
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No 360 for me yet. And I didn't like Morrowmwind, so I doubt I'll be
getting Oblivion when I do.
On the other hand, a friend just gave me his Xbox, so I'll be
softmodding that soon as I can dedicate it to nonsense. Anyone actually
have those remixed Shenmue discs, or instructions on how to get at that
content using no more than a softmodded Xbox and a Mac?
(I'm not actually sure I can do anything odd gamewise with a softmod;
I'm primarily looking into running OS X on the thing right now.) >> Stay informed about: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo |
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:55 pm
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BelPowerslave wrote:
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> You know, I wonder if that PSO Keyboard adapter that MS was giving away
> when you bought the game(you had to mail in for it) would work out for
> stuff like that?
I believe it does.
If you have a thumb drive around, plug it in and see if the Xbox formats
it as a memory card. (Check the list of known problems tho; I noticed
that reformatting an Ngage in flashdrive mode is risky, for example.) >> Stay informed about: PS3 Is The New 3DO / Neo-Geo |
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