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Since: Jan 23, 2008 Posts: 20
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:15 am
Post subject: PMDG 747-400 FS9 Archived from groups: alt>games>microsoft>flight-sim (more info?)
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| Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:49 am
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On Jun 9, 12:41 pm, "Iain Smith" <iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom>
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> "VectorVictor" <guythieb....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
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> > Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> > tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> > would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
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> If you haven't flown any other jets, or "big iron" as they're often called,
> you will take longer to get used to it. As Mx has already said, read the
> documentation. There is a lot of it and much is an exact copy of the
> relevant sections of Boeing's 747-400 manual.
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> I had an advantage as I had previously been using PMDG's 737NG and so was
> familiar with setting up a Boeing FMC. If you haven't done this before (and
> my apologies if you have) then you need to spend time reading about and
> understanding the FMC. The other complex system to read about is the fuel
> system. HTH.
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> --
> Iain
> Rugby, UK
Hi,
Thanks for that.
I have flown the heavies - 737 and 747 - however they tend to handle
very much like an over-sized Learjet, the engines spool up almost
instantly whereas in a jet there can be an 8 second lag between a
thrust increase request and actual thrust increase, so I got this on
the recommendation of a expert flight simmer.
I think my question is more to do with the FMC - I have never used one
and tend to do a lot of the work via HOTAS and voice(I have written a
voice recognition system specifically for FS) - so fiddling with a
mouse and keyboard in-flight is a bit of a turn-off - any tips? >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:54 am
Post subject: Re: PMDG 747-400 FS9 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Thanks,
Is there a PDF file included (am at work at the moment so cannot
install cd)?
The instruction booklets appear to assume understanding things such as
"thrust limits".
Mxsmanic wrote:
> VectorVictor writes:
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> > Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> > tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> > would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
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> Read the documentation thoroughly. There is a steep learning curve. >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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Since: May 29, 2007 Posts: 432
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:41 pm
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"VectorVictor" <guythiebaut.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:65d97a41-08a3-4ab9-831f-3aaa49a23ff0@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
>
> Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
If you haven't flown any other jets, or "big iron" as they're often called,
you will take longer to get used to it. As Mx has already said, read the
documentation. There is a lot of it and much is an exact copy of the
relevant sections of Boeing's 747-400 manual.
I had an advantage as I had previously been using PMDG's 737NG and so was
familiar with setting up a Boeing FMC. If you haven't done this before (and
my apologies if you have) then you need to spend time reading about and
understanding the FMC. The other complex system to read about is the fuel
system. HTH.
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Iain
Rugby, UK >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:14 pm
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VectorVictor writes:
> Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
Read the documentation thoroughly. There is a steep learning curve. >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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Since: Mar 06, 2008 Posts: 286
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:40 pm
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> One important thing, ALWAYS set up your payload and fuel loading before
> you start FS9- just like the real thing, half the work on this plane
> involves planning your flight in a methodical manner.
If the FS9 version behaves in a similar method to my 747-400X then
setting the fuel and payloads outside FS then loading a pre-saved
flight will revert weights etc to that when it was saved.
I'm not sure how it affects the aircraft if you manually select the
747 and departure airport in the Free Flight options.
Ibby >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:18 pm
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There are some very good tutorials on the PMDG site:
http://www.precisionmanuals.com/priv/pages/down/docs.html
Rich
"VectorVictor" <guythiebaut DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
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> Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC. >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:36 pm
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>Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
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>Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
>tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
>would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
Don't read the PMDG manual, it'll do your head in. Treat it like a dictionary -
when you want to know something look it up, otherwise leave it on the shelf.
Once you've got a few hours cockpit time then you can start to read the manual.
You should print the normal preocedures section but it's only small.
Likewise the PMDG type rating course files. They're good, but if you don't know
what they're talkiing about they can be confusing.
For a superb introduction to the queen search avsim for "PMDG Craig Read" and
download his pmdg_744_egll_to_klax tutorial. It's generally held to be the best
tutorial around. It duplicates the flight in the Virgin Atlantic cockpit dvd.
It's not (quite) as long as the PMDG ops manual, but it's still a biggie,it's
comprehensive, it deals extensively with the FMC, and it's written for people
who don't know the first thing about the plane.
Hope that helps
Gary >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:33 pm
Post subject: Re: PMDG 747-400 FS9 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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VectorVictor schrieb:
> Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
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> Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
D/L the tutorials and work on them. For every day use, skip the
cold&dark startup and load the ready to fly option.
One important thing, ALWAYS set up your payload and fuel loading before
you start FS9- just like the real thing, half the work on this plane
involves planning your flight in a methodical manner.
Once you get into it, it's not a big deal to set up, just go through the
FMC pages and checklists and you're ready to go.
Oh and BTW there's a service pack D/L available.
Have fun
T. >> Stay informed about: PMDG 747-400 FS9 |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:00 pm
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"VectorVictor" <guythiebaut.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I think my question is more to do with the FMC - I have never used one
> and tend to do a lot of the work via HOTAS and voice(I have written a
> voice recognition system specifically for FS) - so fiddling with a
> mouse and keyboard in-flight is a bit of a turn-off - any tips?
I don't use the PC keyboard I use the mouse and keypad on the FMC. Most of
your tapping on this will be pre-flight with, perhaps a few amendments en
route. I don't find it a problem. As others have said the tutorials are a
good starting point.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:25 am
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On Jun 9, 11:36 pm, n....RemoveThis@me.here wrote:
> >Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
>
> >Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> >tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> >would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
>
> Don't read the PMDG manual, it'll do your head in. Treat it like a dictionary -
> when you want to know something look it up, otherwise leave it on the shelf.
> Once you've got a few hours cockpit time then you can start to read the manual.
> You should print the normal preocedures section but it's only small.
>
> Likewise the PMDG type rating course files. They're good, but if you don't know
> what they're talkiing about they can be confusing.
>
> For a superb introduction to the queen search avsim for "PMDG Craig Read" and
> download his pmdg_744_egll_to_klax tutorial. It's generally held to be the best
> tutorial around. It duplicates the flight in the Virgin Atlantic cockpit dvd.
> It's not (quite) as long as the PMDG ops manual, but it's still a biggie,it's
> comprehensive, it deals extensively with the FMC, and it's written for people
> who don't know the first thing about the plane.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Gary
Ok thanks - I found a youtube tutorial on the PMDG FMC which is very
easy to follow:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JfclBlXWB9E
Will follow up your reference.
Thanks
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:34 am
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On Jun 9, 5:33 pm, Tom P <sgghgfg....RemoveThis@freenet.co.uk> wrote:
> VectorVictor schrieb:> Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
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> > Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> > tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> > would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
>
> D/L the tutorials and work on them. For every day use, skip the
> cold&dark startup and load the ready to fly option.
>
> One important thing, ALWAYS set up your payload and fuel loading before
> you start FS9- just like the real thing, half the work on this plane
> involves planning your flight in a methodical manner.
>
> Once you get into it, it's not a big deal to set up, just go through the
> FMC pages and checklists and you're ready to go.
>
> Oh and BTW there's a service pack D/L available.
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> Have fun
> T.
Ok - thanks
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:35 am
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On Jun 9, 5:18 pm, "Richard Hardiman"
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> There are some very good tutorials on the PMDG site:http://www.precisionmanuals.com/priv/pages/down/docs.html
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> Rich
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> "VectorVictor" <guythieb....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:65d97a41-08a3-4ab9-831f-3aaa49a23ff0@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
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> > Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
>
> > Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> > tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> > would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
Great - thanks for that.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:38 am
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On Jun 9, 10:15 am, VectorVictor <guythieb....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just got PMDG 747-400 for FS9 in the post this morning - Yeeehhaaa!
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> Any suggestions for how to go about starting with this / links to
> tutorials as I don't want to fly this like an oversized Cessna i.e. it
> would be nice to fly IFR for once and use the FMC.
Thanks to everyone for your help - all these tips have set me up very
well.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:48 am
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> Don't read the PMDG manual, it'll do your head in. Treat it like a dictionary -
> when you want to know something look it up, otherwise leave it on the shelf.
> Once you've got a few hours cockpit time then you can start to read the manual.
> You should print the normal preocedures section but it's only small.
I agree entirely, with my 747-400X I started with the basic cold and
dark startup procedures a few times into I got the basics on how to
start the aircraft. I then moved onto the performance pages of the
FMC to enable me to enter aircraft weights etc for the V1 speeds to be
calculated and use the TOGA switch. Tried a bit of manual flying and
just using the MCP and Autopilot too then started into programming
routes. Whilst I have never entered a route manually I use Flightsim
Commander X to plan a route which can then be imported to the FMC. I
then add SIDs and STARs as required and choose cruise altitudes and it
calculates the majority of the rest for you. There are online flight
planners available to give navigation points and jetways between your
departure and arrival airports
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