(A Serious) PC Poll

"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwilson9999.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:48:25 +0800, "Steven Ung"
> <steven.TakeThisOut@nodomainname.com> wrote:
>>I might venture into this if time permits.
>
> Feel free, so long as your specs are up to it. (I'd recommend a better
> video card than the 9250 though...)
>
>>The cost that you saved from the open license is not really that
>>signficant.
>>You only need to buy one full pack with the cd installation+manual+box
>>casing etc and the rest is just a piece of e-paper which you can keep
>>track
>>off Mickeysoft site.
>
> I've seen it for about $50 less than the equivalent full boxed copy...
> that's pretty significant, in my book. Only bummer with the OEM
> license is that it's forever linked to a single motherboard.

www.dell.com.my and click on customize on any notebook

Microsoft(R) Office Small Business Edition 2003 (OEM Version) [+RM 839.00] =
US 220.79
Microsoft(R) Office Professional Edition 2003 (OEM Version) [+RM 1126.00] =
US 296.32

If we happen to change motherboard, we will call Mickeysoft and have it
re-activated. As long as we have one license to support the PC, it still
counts as a license. Yes, we are aware of how the copyright law works but
screw Mickeysoft. :-p

Secondly, it is not everyday that we have the motherboard changed.

>>Except that we as corporations are not able to buy the so called package
>
> Corporations?? Oh come on, Stephen, I thought you meant software that
> you yourself had to pay for. Who cares about what corporations have to
> pay for software?

Whoa... hold your horses!? You mean we have to pay for home user license?!
Oh yeah, how silly of me! We *must* pay for home user license!

>>If you do lots of network/flowcharts etc Visio is definitely faster but I
>>have to admit that you can get it done using the Mickeysoft Office XPee.
>>In
>>Visio if you need to move the flowchart of linked objects around just move
>>the object and the links will be automatically adjusted.
>
> Hmm... doesn't sound like something I need.
>
>>Graphic works, of course
>
> You do graphic-ey stuff? Are you like a jack of all whatsits?

Actually it is quite easy to learn. After all, you kinda get bored ordering
people around and you pretty much have some free time to yourself. whenever
I am in trouble I consult my friend (who is a graphic designer) but most of
the time is through self learning from the vast resources and tutorials, off
the net. Most of the tutorials have a very detailed step by step, which is
very easy to learn.

Most of the time I uses Adobe CS to create graphics for the director
presentation materials

>>Yes there are everywhere but there are also abundant of copyright laws
>>that
>>we as corporates need to abide, or we'll get our ass sued by BSA.
>>
>>For a 80 users Novell client+server license, we need to spend UNITED
>>STATES
>>DOLLAR SIX THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SIX (actual amount based on
>>latest quote).
>
> Yeah, well, that's life.

They should come up with a third world country cost for that. We still live
on trees you know.
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"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwilson9999.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:50:44 -0700, "Luc The Perverse"
> <sll_noSpamlicious_z_XXX_m.RemoveThis@cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>>The Gimp or something - free?
>>
>>Free software was made for poor people like you and me.
>>
>>And yes - this is still a lot to "average" people. To the upper middle
>>class it is an annoying expense and nothing is expensive to the rich
>
> w00t for GNU.


Of course you can't be bothered with it
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"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamlicious_z_XXX_m.TakeThisOut@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message
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> "Steven Ung" <steven.TakeThisOut@nodomainname.com> wrote in message
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>> 1. Mickeysoft Windows XPee Pro costs approx US 135
>
> Substitute linux - cost zero

Almost 90% the university graduates here have never even heard of Linux,
moreever use Open office.

>> 2. Mickeysoft Office XPee Pro costs approx. US 475
>
> Substitute Open Office - cost Zero
>
>> 3. Mickeysoft Visio costs approx. US 475
>
> WTF? Why do you want that?

See earlier post

>> 4. Adobe Photoshop CS 2 ????
>
> The Gimp or something - free?
>
> Free software was made for poor people like you and me.

Oh, don't be such a hypocrite. IIRC you're also using Mickeysoft instead of
Linux.

> And yes - this is still a lot to "average" people. To the upper middle
> class it is an annoying expense and nothing is expensive to the rich

Sad but how very true.
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> "Steven Ung" <steven.RemoveThis@nodomainname.com> wrote
> I am just wondering of the PC specifications that you have.

Blitzed. Our power "blipped" a couple of times today. PC did not
survive the second occurrence.

Fortunately, my homeowner's policy covers "replacement cost" (less
deductible, of course). Given the age of the PC (Win98SE), anything I
replace it with will be incredibly fast by comparison.

(I don't know whether to blame the power company or to thank them.)

Fortunately, back up laptop had battery power to handle the situation.

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"Tom Schluter" <schluter.DeleteThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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>
>> "Steven Ung" <steven.DeleteThis@nodomainname.com> wrote
>> I am just wondering of the PC specifications that you have.
>
> Blitzed. Our power "blipped" a couple of times today. PC did not survive
> the second occurrence.
>
> Fortunately, my homeowner's policy covers "replacement cost" (less
> deductible, of course). Given the age of the PC (Win98SE), anything I
> replace it with will be incredibly fast by comparison.
>
> (I don't know whether to blame the power company or to thank them.)
>
> Fortunately, back up laptop had battery power to handle the situation.

You need an ups mister.

And your insurance company is stupid if minus the deductible of current
value of your computer is enough to buy a newer better computer.

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"Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamlicious_z_XXX_m RemoveThis @cc.usu.edu> wrote in message
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> "Tom Schluter" <schluter RemoveThis @bright.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>> "Steven Ung" <steven RemoveThis @nodomainname.com> wrote
>>> I am just wondering of the PC specifications that you have.
>>
>> Blitzed. Our power "blipped" a couple of times today. PC did not
>> survive the second occurrence.
>>
>> Fortunately, my homeowner's policy covers "replacement cost" (less
>> deductible, of course). Given the age of the PC (Win98SE), anything I
>> replace it with will be incredibly fast by comparison.
>>
>> (I don't know whether to blame the power company or to thank them.)
>>
>> Fortunately, back up laptop had battery power to handle the situation.

Most probably the only parts that needs to be replaced is the Power Supply
Unit

> You need an ups mister.

Smart UPS, even

> And your insurance company is stupid if minus the deductible of current
> value of your computer is enough to buy a newer better computer.

You mean you guys have insurance for a computer?! What do you have on your
computer that is worth protecting?
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"Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwilson9999.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:01:52 +0800, "Steven Ung"
> <steven.RemoveThis@nodomainname.com> wrote:
>>Most probably the only parts that needs to be replaced is the Power Supply
>>Unit
>
> Ehh? Un-Surge protected power line goes into a power supply which then
> passes it on to the motherboard/cpu & all internal periphs (hdd etc),
> higher than normal voltage fries everything. Nobody lives.

Not really. Most of the time the PSU goes but not the MOBO

>>Smart UPS, even
>
> As opposed to... a stupid UPS?

Normal UPS do not regulate the power but rather only provide as backup

>>You mean you guys have insurance for a computer?! What do you have on your
>>computer that is worth protecting?
>
> Homeowners insurance covers lots of stuff... theft, sometimes natural
> disasters, (apparently) electrical damage... I'd have thought the
> power company would be liable if you can specify the time frame the
> power spikes occured. What's on it that's worth protecting? The
> computer itself is pretty expensive, usually...

I suppose it depends on what kind of computer you're trying to protect.
Servers, mainframes & minis for example are worth protecting. However most
of the time the thing that is worth protecting is data.
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"Steven Ung" <steven.TakeThisOut@nodomainname.com> wrote in message
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> "Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwilson9999.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:01:52 +0800, "Steven Ung"
>> <steven.TakeThisOut@nodomainname.com> wrote:
>>>Most probably the only parts that needs to be replaced is the Power
>>>Supply
>>>Unit
>>
>> Ehh? Un-Surge protected power line goes into a power supply which then
>> passes it on to the motherboard/cpu & all internal periphs (hdd etc),
>> higher than normal voltage fries everything. Nobody lives.
>
> Not really. Most of the time the PSU goes but not the MOBO

No you are wrong

>>>Smart UPS, even
>>
>> As opposed to... a stupid UPS?
>
> Normal UPS do not regulate the power but rather only provide as backup

Wrong again. Surge protection is uber cheap.

>>>You mean you guys have insurance for a computer?! What do you have on
>>>your
>>>computer that is worth protecting?
>>
>> Homeowners insurance covers lots of stuff... theft, sometimes natural
>> disasters, (apparently) electrical damage... I'd have thought the
>> power company would be liable if you can specify the time frame the
>> power spikes occured. What's on it that's worth protecting? The
>> computer itself is pretty expensive, usually...
>
> I suppose it depends on what kind of computer you're trying to protect.
> Servers, mainframes & minis for example are worth protecting. However most
> of the time the thing that is worth protecting is data.

I use DVD-R's for those kind of backups!

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Luc The Perverse wrote:
> "Tom Schluter" <schluter.RemoveThis@bright.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Steven Ung" <steven.RemoveThis@nodomainname.com> wrote
>>> I am just wondering of the PC specifications that you have.
>> Blitzed. Our power "blipped" a couple of times today. PC did not survive
>> the second occurrence.
>>
>> Fortunately, my homeowner's policy covers "replacement cost" (less
>> deductible, of course). Given the age of the PC (Win98SE), anything I
>> replace it with will be incredibly fast by comparison.
>>
>> (I don't know whether to blame the power company or to thank them.)
>>
>> Fortunately, back up laptop had battery power to handle the situation.
>
> You need an ups mister.

Yup...

>
> And your insurance company is stupid if minus the deductible of current
> value of your computer is enough to buy a newer better computer.

No, that's is why you purchase the "replacement cost" option when
covering items that obsolete quickly...

Don't worry, they charge you for the convenience...
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Steven Ung wrote:
> "Luc The Perverse" <sll_noSpamlicious_z_XXX_m.TakeThisOut@cc.usu.edu> wrote in message
> news:783sf3xs5h.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>> "Tom Schluter" <schluter.TakeThisOut@bright.net> wrote in message
>> news:-Omdnce13dRd1LbZ4p2dnA@bright.net...
>>>> "Steven Ung" <steven.TakeThisOut@nodomainname.com> wrote
>>>> I am just wondering of the PC specifications that you have.
>>> Blitzed. Our power "blipped" a couple of times today. PC did not
>>> survive the second occurrence.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, my homeowner's policy covers "replacement cost" (less
>>> deductible, of course). Given the age of the PC (Win98SE), anything I
>>> replace it with will be incredibly fast by comparison.
>>>
>>> (I don't know whether to blame the power company or to thank them.)
>>>
>>> Fortunately, back up laptop had battery power to handle the situation.
>
> Most probably the only parts that needs to be replaced is the Power Supply
> Unit

Indeed, $20 bucks for a used power supply with a much quieter fan...,
five minutes with a screwdriver (tool, not the drink <sigh>), and a bit
of manual dexterity... and, hey, presto!

>
>> You need an ups mister.
>
> Smart UPS, even
>
>> And your insurance company is stupid if minus the deductible of current
>> value of your computer is enough to buy a newer better computer.

I'm still responsible for the deductible, they would only pay for
depreciation (about another $200).

>
> You mean you guys have insurance for a computer?! What do you have on your
> computer that is worth protecting?

Homeowner's coverage with coverage for contents...
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Steven Ung wrote:
> "Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwilson9999 DeleteThis @NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:6ikp22dg6ntkkfor31bua0gc8cbiqkus17@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:01:52 +0800, "Steven Ung"
>> <steven DeleteThis @nodomainname.com> wrote:
>>> Most probably the only parts that needs to be replaced is the Power Supply
>>> Unit
>> Ehh? Un-Surge protected power line goes into a power supply which then
>> passes it on to the motherboard/cpu & all internal periphs (hdd etc),
>> higher than normal voltage fries everything. Nobody lives.
>
> Not really. Most of the time the PSU goes but not the MOBO
>
>>> Smart UPS, even
>> As opposed to... a stupid UPS?

Or stoopid for not having a UPS?

>
> Normal UPS do not regulate the power but rather only provide as backup
>
>>> You mean you guys have insurance for a computer?! What do you have on your
>>> computer that is worth protecting?
>> Homeowners insurance covers lots of stuff... theft, sometimes natural
>> disasters, (apparently) electrical damage... I'd have thought the
>> power company would be liable if you can specify the time frame the
>> power spikes occured. What's on it that's worth protecting? The
>> computer itself is pretty expensive, usually...
>
> I suppose it depends on what kind of computer you're trying to protect.
> Servers, mainframes & minis for example are worth protecting. However most
> of the time the thing that is worth protecting is data.

And if you're a business, the time to re-enter / re-create the data...
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Luc The Perverse wrote:
> "Steven Ung" <steven.RemoveThis@nodomainname.com> wrote in message
> news:ks9vf3x4na.ln2@loki.cmears.id.au...
>> "Zealot The Crazy Lui" <ktwilson9999.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:6ikp22dg6ntkkfor31bua0gc8cbiqkus17@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:01:52 +0800, "Steven Ung"
>>> <steven.RemoveThis@nodomainname.com> wrote:
>>>> Most probably the only parts that needs to be replaced is the Power
>>>> Supply
>>>> Unit
>>> Ehh? Un-Surge protected power line goes into a power supply which then
>>> passes it on to the motherboard/cpu & all internal periphs (hdd etc),
>>> higher than normal voltage fries everything. Nobody lives.
>> Not really. Most of the time the PSU goes but not the MOBO
>
> No you are wrong
>
>>>> Smart UPS, even
>>> As opposed to... a stupid UPS?
>> Normal UPS do not regulate the power but rather only provide as backup
>
> Wrong again. Surge protection is uber cheap.

It was on a surge protector strip. I always put any
electrical/electronics of any value on a surge strip.

Aahhhh.... what a way to bring new life to a dying thread...
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Zealot The Crazy Lui wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 21:26:10 -0700, "Luc The Perverse"
> <sll_noSpamlicious_z_XXX_m RemoveThis @cc.usu.edu> wrote:
>> You need an ups mister.
>>
>> And your insurance company is stupid if minus the deductible of current
>> value of your computer is enough to buy a newer better computer.
>
> Original price payed/replacement cost != current value... but it could
> be an excuse to upgrade.
>

True enough... even though the suggested upgrade was an eMachines, but
still ...

AMD K6/2 500 vs eMachines 2.4G

Hmmm... lemmee think....
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