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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:49 pm
Post subject: New to PBEM....
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Hi all,
I have played a couple of hand-adjucated games on a forum I frequent, and
then played one game FTF with some friends on the Gibsons board I bought at
Amazon.
Now, basically, I'm looking for a bigger challenge, cause I have a tendency
to win or at least draw most of the games I play.
So this Play by email looks good, but I do have a couple of questions. I'll
number them...
1) Does a newbie game mean new to the entire game? Or new to PBEM? Cause i
don't really fancy joining the first one, but i would like an opportunity to
test my skills at ordering the judge around. Maybe I could fill an abandoned
place somewhere? Or do you think the fact that I beat my friends doesn't
mean anything, and I'll most likely get slaughtered online 
2) I think I get most of the abbreviations now, but at the bounced game
list, after the press code "WGP-" it says "OWGP" or "OW-B". What does that
mean?
3) When you look at this "openings list"
(http://www.diplom.org/DipPouch/openings/openings.html) why do all the links
represented by little maps crash?
4) Are there other lists of game openings? I'd guess there would be more
spaces for people willing to take an abandoned power, but I can hardly find
any of these.
5) Does it make any sense to join a game that has been waiting for players
for 4 weeks or longer?
Well, thanks for any effort you guys make to answer my questions. I do hope
this is the right place to ask them, despite the nature of the other threads
in this newsgroup being somewhat expert.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:49 pm
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"Athanat0s" <n_jonker.RemoveThis@orange.nl> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I have played a couple of hand-adjucated games on a forum I frequent, and
> then played one game FTF with some friends on the Gibsons board I bought
> at Amazon.
> Now, basically, I'm looking for a bigger challenge, cause I have a
> tendency to win or at least draw most of the games I play.
>
> So this Play by email looks good, but I do have a couple of questions.
> I'll number them...
>
> 1) Does a newbie game mean new to the entire game? Or new to PBEM? Cause i
> don't really fancy joining the first one, but i would like an opportunity
> to test my skills at ordering the judge around. Maybe I could fill an
> abandoned place somewhere? Or do you think the fact that I beat my friends
> doesn't mean anything, and I'll most likely get slaughtered online
I believe it means the former, and the best players in the world get
slaughtered on a regular basis, so you won't be any different.
> 2) I think I get most of the abbreviations now, but at the bounced game
> list, after the press code "WGP-" it says "OWGP" or "OW-B". What does that
> mean?
>
> 3) When you look at this "openings list"
> (http://www.diplom.org/DipPouch/openings/openings.html) why do all the
> links represented by little maps crash?
I'll leave these questions to those who play on the judges.
> 4) Are there other lists of game openings?
There are many forums other then the judges out there for PBEM Dip which
have openings. This links page includes a bunch of them:
http://diplomiscellany.tripod.com/id2.html with short descriptions, though
the Cat23 link is down (for Cat23, join the Cat23-Ngame yahoogroup, and ask
for a game).
I'd guess there would be more
> spaces for people willing to take an abandoned power, but I can hardly
> find any of these.
>
> 5) Does it make any sense to join a game that has been waiting for players
> for 4 weeks or longer?
See 2 and 3.
> Well, thanks for any effort you guys make to answer my questions. I do
> hope this is the right place to ask them, despite the nature of the other
> threads in this newsgroup being somewhat expert.
>
> Ath
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:49 pm
Post subject: Re: New to PBEM.... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> 1) Does a newbie game mean new to the entire game? Or new to PBEM?
> Cause i don't really fancy joining the first one, but i would like an
> opportunity to test my skills at ordering the judge around. Maybe I
> could fill an abandoned place somewhere? Or do you think the fact
> that I beat my friends doesn't mean anything, and I'll most likely
> get slaughtered online
If a player has experience in postal or hand-adjudicated play, but is
new to the judge, then GM discretion plays a large role in what kind of
support you'll get for the judge mechanics in a game not set up
specifically for novices. Join a game on the openings list moderated by
"(Cbabcock)" that is not designated novice in the comments and remind
me of your situation if you have any judge related questions.
> 2) I think I get most of the abbreviations now, but at the bounced
> game list, after the press code "WGP-" it says "OWGP" or "OW-B". What
> does that mean?
It's a summary of the options that you'll see listed after "Press" when
you look at the game listing.
> 3) When you look at this "openings list"
> (http://www.diplom.org/DipPouch/openings/openings.html) why do all
> the links represented by little maps crash?
Apparently the script that generates the postscript maps is either
broken or disabled. You can surf to maps in postscript and other
formats by clicking on the "Game summary at floc.net" link.
> 4) Are there other lists of game openings? I'd guess there would be
> more spaces for people willing to take an abandoned power, but I can
> hardly find any of these.
In addition to the openings list, there is a queue for potential
replacement players and other forums for advertising openings by email.
> 5) Does it make any sense to join a game that has been waiting for
> players for 4 weeks or longer?
It depends on the game settings and the number of positions left to
fill. USAK:gp000002, for example, is in a fairly popular format. The
only reason that it's been waiting so long is the holidays. Some
variant with 20+ players on USDP, however, will have massive
abandonment the first turn.
> Well, thanks for any effort you guys make to answer my questions. I
> do hope this is the right place to ask them, despite the nature of
> the other threads in this newsgroup being somewhat expert.
I couldn't think of a better place.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:47 pm
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"Chris Babcock" <cbabcock.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in message
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>> 1) Does a newbie game mean new to the entire game? Or new to PBEM?
>> Cause i don't really fancy joining the first one, but i would like an
>> opportunity to test my skills at ordering the judge around. Maybe I
>> could fill an abandoned place somewhere? Or do you think the fact
>> that I beat my friends doesn't mean anything, and I'll most likely
>> get slaughtered online
>
> If a player has experience in postal or hand-adjudicated play, but is
> new to the judge, then GM discretion plays a large role in what kind of
> support you'll get for the judge mechanics in a game not set up
> specifically for novices. Join a game on the openings list moderated by
> "(Cbabcock)" that is not designated novice in the comments and remind
> me of your situation if you have any judge related questions.
>
Thank you for that. I'll probably be able to find one of the games you GM,
and will gladly take you up on that offer
>> 2) I think I get most of the abbreviations now, but at the bounced
>> game list, after the press code "WGP-" it says "OWGP" or "OW-B". What
>> does that mean?
>
> It's a summary of the options that you'll see listed after "Press" when
> you look at the game listing.
I see now. I was aiming at the press listing for Observers. But that's all
clear now.
>
>> 3) When you look at this "openings list"
>> (http://www.diplom.org/DipPouch/openings/openings.html) why do all
>> the links represented by little maps crash?
>
> Apparently the script that generates the postscript maps is either
> broken or disabled. You can surf to maps in postscript and other
> formats by clicking on the "Game summary at floc.net" link.
I did see that, but I rather liked the idea of having a clickable map that
would allow you to quickly assess the situation without too much effort
>
>> 4) Are there other lists of game openings? I'd guess there would be
>> more spaces for people willing to take an abandoned power, but I can
>> hardly find any of these.
>
> In addition to the openings list, there is a queue for potential
> replacement players and other forums for advertising openings by email.
>
>> 5) Does it make any sense to join a game that has been waiting for
>> players for 4 weeks or longer?
>
> It depends on the game settings and the number of positions left to
> fill. USAK:gp000002, for example, is in a fairly popular format. The
> only reason that it's been waiting so long is the holidays. Some
> variant with 20+ players on USDP, however, will have massive
> abandonment the first turn.
>
Thanks, I might return with more questions, but we'll see about that
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:37 pm
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For a simple experience without all that trouble, just try www.stabbeurfou.org.
Register on the list and put you in the list, you are in a game within
a week.
All is intuitive, no esoteric command.
On Jan 18, 8:48 pm, "Athanat0s" <n_jon....TakeThisOut@orange.nl> wrote:
> So I joined one of your games. It turned out one game was waiting for a
> player to play England, so I joined.
>
> I noticed that an error message I got took about 20 minutes to arrive. I had
> typed signin instead of signon, and my broadcast didn't arrive. Just when i
> started wondering whether maybe you don't get any broadcasts that you send
> yourself, I got the message.
> I do feel it's not overly clear that it's an error message. it simply states
> "Signon command not encountered." I'd like something like: Error, mesage not
> sent, reason:etc", but I'll probably get used to this.
>
> One question that remains: How do I get to see a map of our game? Or do we
> generate the first one after move 1?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:21 pm
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:48:13 +0100
"Athanat0s" <n_jonker.TakeThisOut@orange.nl> wrote:
> So I joined one of your games. It turned out one game was waiting for
> a player to play England, so I joined.
That was a novice game. England got booted under my policy of "Grace is
not an entitlement." For novice games, I get all the press messages so
that I can step in to help with common problems - sending passwords
with press, misunderstanding rules and just never getting around to
playing once the game starts. If a player is late for spring of 1901,
especially in a novice game, then the chances of them completing the
game are practically nil. When a novice player is late for the first
turn *and* hasn't even sent press, I just boot him from the game rather
than make all the other newbs wait for grace to expire and suffer mass
abandonment in fall.
> I noticed that an error message I got took about 20 minutes to
> arrive. I had typed signin instead of signon, and my broadcast didn't
> arrive. Just when i started wondering whether maybe you don't get any
> broadcasts that you send yourself, I got the message.
> I do feel it's not overly clear that it's an error message. it simply
> states "Signon command not encountered." I'd like something like:
> Error, mesage not sent, reason:etc", but I'll probably get used to
> this.
Error messages are not always clear, but don't let Jeremie Lefrancois
get away with that shameless plug. We worked long and hard to get
him to rephrase his error messages so that they almost made sense. :-p
I hope Stabberfou gets some traction. It's a good project.
> One question that remains: How do I get to see a map of our game? Or
> do we generate the first one after move 1?
You'll want to get a history of the game from the beginning so that you
can read all of my helpful broadcasts. 
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:48 pm
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So I joined one of your games. It turned out one game was waiting for a
player to play England, so I joined.
I noticed that an error message I got took about 20 minutes to arrive. I had
typed signin instead of signon, and my broadcast didn't arrive. Just when i
started wondering whether maybe you don't get any broadcasts that you send
yourself, I got the message.
I do feel it's not overly clear that it's an error message. it simply states
"Signon command not encountered." I'd like something like: Error, mesage not
sent, reason:etc", but I'll probably get used to this.
One question that remains: How do I get to see a map of our game? Or do we
generate the first one after move 1?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:48 pm
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Athanat0s wrote:
> So I joined one of your games. It turned out one game was waiting for a
> player to play England, so I joined.
>
> I noticed that an error message I got took about 20 minutes to arrive. I had
> typed signin instead of signon, and my broadcast didn't arrive. Just when i
> started wondering whether maybe you don't get any broadcasts that you send
> yourself, I got the message.
> I do feel it's not overly clear that it's an error message. it simply states
> "Signon command not encountered." I'd like something like: Error, mesage not
> sent, reason:etc", but I'll probably get used to this.
Responses to incorrect signons take longer to get back to you than
other responses. I'm not sure why.
> One question that remains: How do I get to see a map of our game?
Go to http://www.floc.net/observer.py?page=gameform
select the Judge your game is on, and correctly type the
game name in the game space, then click View. The page
that comes up will have links to several different maps.
Eric.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:47 pm
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Hmmm,
my attempt at ordering the judge to give me the history for our game all
lead to syntax errors...
Any tips for me?
"Chris Babcock" <cbabcock RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
news:20080118202159.43bbb1c0@twwg...
> On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:48:13 +0100
> "Athanat0s" <n_jonker RemoveThis @orange.nl> wrote:
>
>> So I joined one of your games. It turned out one game was waiting for
>> a player to play England, so I joined.
>
> That was a novice game. England got booted under my policy of "Grace is
> not an entitlement." For novice games, I get all the press messages so
> that I can step in to help with common problems - sending passwords
> with press, misunderstanding rules and just never getting around to
> playing once the game starts. If a player is late for spring of 1901,
> especially in a novice game, then the chances of them completing the
> game are practically nil. When a novice player is late for the first
> turn *and* hasn't even sent press, I just boot him from the game rather
> than make all the other newbs wait for grace to expire and suffer mass
> abandonment in fall.
>
>> I noticed that an error message I got took about 20 minutes to
>> arrive. I had typed signin instead of signon, and my broadcast didn't
>> arrive. Just when i started wondering whether maybe you don't get any
>> broadcasts that you send yourself, I got the message.
>> I do feel it's not overly clear that it's an error message. it simply
>> states "Signon command not encountered." I'd like something like:
>> Error, mesage not sent, reason:etc", but I'll probably get used to
>> this.
>
> Error messages are not always clear, but don't let Jeremie Lefrancois
> get away with that shameless plug. We worked long and hard to get
> him to rephrase his error messages so that they almost made sense. :-p
>
> I hope Stabberfou gets some traction. It's a good project.
>
>> One question that remains: How do I get to see a map of our game? Or
>> do we generate the first one after move 1?
>
> You'll want to get a history of the game from the beginning so that you
> can read all of my helpful broadcasts.
>
> Chris
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:47 pm
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Athanat0s wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> my attempt at ordering the judge to give me the history for our game all
> lead to syntax errors...
>
> Any tips for me?
history <game-name> FROM Jan 01 2007 TO Jan 19 2008 lines 1000000
If you know the actual start date, you can substitute it for 2007/01/01,
but sending just this line to the Judge should get you the full history.
Eric.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:45 pm
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On Jan 19, 7:41 am, Eric Hunter <hunte... RemoveThis @comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
> history <game-name> FROM Jan 01 2007 TO Jan 19 2008 lines 1000000
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> If you know the actual start date, you can substitute it for 2007/01/01,
> but sending just this line to the Judge should get you the full history.
I tried that, the judge replied with 'A single game must be specified
to HISTORY.'
Out of curiosity, are there any other undocumented commands? I'm
relatively new, and now I'm surprised by undocumented features.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:27 am
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> I tried that, the judge replied with 'A single game must be specified
> to HISTORY.'
Yes, that syntax assumes that you are signed on to the game.
> Out of curiosity, are there any other undocumented commands? I'm
> relatively new, and now I'm surprised by undocumented features.
Yes, you'll find a list (with descriptions) in the index file from the
judge. <wag> Send "get index" to the judge address. Also send "get
history" for more info on the history command.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:34 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:52 am
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Sean Hunt wrote:
> On Jan 19, 7:41 am, Eric Hunter <hunte... DeleteThis @comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
>> history <game-name> FROM Jan 01 2007 TO Jan 19 2008 lines 1000000
>>
>> If you know the actual start date, you can substitute it for 2007/01/01,
>> but sending just this line to the Judge should get you the full history.
>
> I tried that, the judge replied with 'A single game must be specified
> to HISTORY.'
The history command has two forms. In the one above, you don't signon
to your game, you just send that command to the Judge, and substitute
the name of the game you want the history if, in place of <game-name>.
This let's you pull up the history of any game that is in the Judge's
database, whether you are playing in it, or not. For a game you
involved in:
Signon <P><game-name> <your-password>
history FROM <start-date> TO <end-date> lines 1000000
Signoff
will work.
> Out of curiosity, are there any other undocumented commands? I'm
> relatively new, and now I'm surprised by undocumented features.
Well, they are documented in the Judge index file, and more
usefully, here:
http://devel.diplom.org/~njudge/docs/manual-all.htm
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