Overhealing with clique and grid

On 27 May, 14:11, "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro....DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On May 27, 10:16 am, "steve.kaye" <nos....DeleteThis@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 27 May, 09:45, "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro....DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Does your grid work fine in battlegrounds? I think I still have the
> > > problem that grid is showing a player at half health, but someone has
> > > already healed them to full. I used clique and my instant cast HoTs
> > > (druid) so it's very easy to just shift-click every single square on
> > > grid that looks like it could use healing. So often I don't even know
> > > that I'm overhealing, or healing for nothing, but occassionally I
> > > check by selecting a person, only to find he/she is at full health,
> > > but grid shows half health.
> > > I asked before but no-one else seems to have this problem. I wonder if
> > > it's other addons slowing things down?
>
> > It used to be like that for me too.  I think that it was linked to
> > having a centre icon shown whilst in combat.  Once the centre icon was
> > there it didn't seem to update unless you click on the square (kinda
> > against the point of having Grid+Clique).
>
> > I don't know if it is still a problem as I turned the centre icon off
> > because of it but it's something to look at.
>
> Sorry, what do you mean by centre icon? My grid is still at pretty
> much default settings which shows player name in the center, health
> only (no mana), etc.

> > Things that I know I have changed are the positions of debuff
> > indicators - I have them configured as the spells that I have to cure
> > them: top left shows poisons and alt-left mouse button cures poisons;
> > top right shows curses and alt-right mouse button cures them.  (or it
> > could be the other way around )
>
> Ok, to be honest I've never really understood all that, in fact the
> only indicator I notice regularly is the red dot in the top left which
> I have always assumed meant "taking damage" or "has aggro" since when
> it's there the players health is generally decreasing. Debuffs don't
> *seem* to appear the the corners, they are displayed covering the
> whole health bar. So I know when to cure poisons and remove curses,
> but it also shows magic and other debuffs that are of no use to me to
> see as a druid.

Those debuffs covering the centre are the centre icons that I was
referring to. Have you noticed that the health is unreliable when
they have debuffs on them?

If so go to the tree part of the config window click on Center Icon
which is under Grid / Frame and uncheck everything. I've just looked
at my config and it does have the two debuff types my character is
interested in so maybe that's not the problem anymore.


> > I've also added flag carrier icons for WSG and EotS flag carriers
> > (which brings me back to the earlier point - I've not noticed
> > incorrect health displays on my flag carriers so maybe that's not the
> > problem)
>
> That's useful. This is kind of what I was looking for, but how do you
> do it?

Go to Grid / Status / Auras and type Warsong Flag into the Add new
Buff field and press enter. Now click on the Buff: Warsong Flag that
has just been added to the tree and set it's priority to 99 (assuming
that you think it is more important than debuffs). Now go to Grid /
Frame / Center Icon and tick the Buff: Warsong Flag that is available
in there. Same for the Silverwing Flag if you're playing Alliance.

To put a debuff indicator in the top left corner go to Grid / Frame /
Top Left Corner and tick the Debuff type: Poison. You can change the
colour of the indicator in Grid / Status / Auras / Debuff type:
Poison.

All the status indicators need to be set up in both places like this
Grid / Status sets the options and Grid / Frame determines where the
indicator is shown.

I'm not sure if it is in the main addon now but I have an addon called
GridSideIndicators which adds Top Side, Left Side, Right Side and
Bottom Side indicators which I need to be able to show all the
indicators that I show. On my druid I have aggro, poisons, curses,
renew, rejuv indicators.

I don't have it, but there is a useful addon that can differentiate
between your hots and other peoples hots so you know who you can add a
renew to even when there are other druid healers around.

steve.kaye
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Trooper <removethis.RemoveThis@trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
>
> What I have done is get grid to show the health deficit for everyone, so
> I know how much healing they need. I'll just have to use my feeble
> brain to select the spell level.

I suggest installing VisualHeal - it'll give you a great indication of
how much overhealing the spell you're currently casting will do. If it's
a lot of overheal, simply stop casting (and maybe cast a lower rank
version).

--
Zil, Level 70 NE Priest, Aman Shan're, Stormrage Europe
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In article <483bdc2f$0$26084$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, zen13097
@zen.co.uk says...
> Trooper <removethis DeleteThis @trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > What I have done is get grid to show the health deficit for everyone, so
> > I know how much healing they need. I'll just have to use my feeble
> > brain to select the spell level.
>
> I suggest installing VisualHeal - it'll give you a great indication of
> how much overhealing the spell you're currently casting will do. If it's
> a lot of overheal, simply stop casting (and maybe cast a lower rank
> version).
>
>

Thanks, I'll take a look

T.
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In article <2f793500-4b8b-4283-95f7-
9263090cc4fe RemoveThis @z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, nospam RemoveThis @giddy-kippers.co.uk
says...
> On 27 May, 09:45, "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro... RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Does your grid work fine in battlegrounds? I think I still have the
> > problem that grid is showing a player at half health, but someone has
> > already healed them to full. I used clique and my instant cast HoTs
> > (druid) so it's very easy to just shift-click every single square on
> > grid that looks like it could use healing. So often I don't even know
> > that I'm overhealing, or healing for nothing, but occassionally I
> > check by selecting a person, only to find he/she is at full health,
> > but grid shows half health.
>
> > I asked before but no-one else seems to have this problem. I wonder if
> > it's other addons slowing things down?
>
> It used to be like that for me too. I think that it was linked to
> having a centre icon shown whilst in combat. Once the centre icon was
> there it didn't seem to update unless you click on the square (kinda
> against the point of having Grid+Clique).
>
> I don't know if it is still a problem as I turned the centre icon off
> because of it but it's something to look at.
>

Can't recall any problems like those mentioned, but I just trust the
grid health bar and haven't check anywhere else.

>
> > Also, I wish I had the patience to figure grid out. Every time I sit
> > down to try and customise it I get so lost and irritated that I give
> > up. If anyone has some simple tips that improved the basic display,
> > feel free to let me know (with full instructions on how to set them).
>
> What would you like it to show you that it doesn't now? I wonder if
> the config is transferable then maybe you could have my config file?
>
> Things that I know I have changed are the positions of debuff
> indicators - I have them configured as the spells that I have to cure
> them: top left shows poisons and alt-left mouse button cures poisons;
> top right shows curses and alt-right mouse button cures them. (or it
> could be the other way around )
>

I have mine setup so the main square is the health bar which starts full
and empties as people get damage (reverse colours I think>), centre text
1 is name, centre text 2 is health deficit. Top left is threat, top
right is magic or disease debuff, bottom right is PW:S, bottom left is
incoming heal or HoT.
The grid bar goes grey if the character is out of range and the outer
edge goes blue when they are out of mana. (It also goes whit
occasionally! No idea why, I should find out really )

Left click casts heal, shift left click casts flash heal.
Middle click casts renew, shift middle casts inner fire (only useful for
me! I might change that), ctrl middle casts fortitude.
Right click casts PW:S, shift right click cures magic, ctrl right click
cures disease.


> I've also added flag carrier icons for WSG and EotS flag carriers
> (which brings me back to the earlier point - I've not noticed
> incorrect health displays on my flag carriers so maybe that's not the
> problem)
>

I've also got DeadlyBossMod which shows that I think (something does
anyway!) plus timers etc...


> I think that the best approach is to configure Grid in bits. Add
> this, add that etc. Don't just sit down and try to change everything
> at once. That's how I have done it - I wanted a flag carrier
> indicator so I added that, another time I wanted PW:S and Weakened
> Soul indicators on my Priest so I added those.
>

It is a real bitch to setup and the only advice I have is that you just
need to go in and change something and see what happens...

T.
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Trooper wrote:
> Zizii (my priest) is now L25 and getting ready to be an angel of mercy
> in the battlegrounds again for a few levels.
>
> I don't think i'm very mana efficient though, I run out of mana pretty
> quick in battlegrounds and i'm pretty sure I'm overhealing.
> Is there an easy way to make grid and clique automatically only use the
> level of heal that will get a character to max? Benecast used to be
> able to do that and it was very useful.
>
> Also, I just picked up holy nova, is this useful at all? I can't really
> see a use for it at the moment...
>
> T.
>
Forget grid, use Healbot, it sets all your heals to the mouse, you can
set it up for different ranks of heal, eg, shift left click FOL(rank5
I'm a pally healer btw) or just left click FOL(higest), you can also use
both mouse buttons pressed together as a spell cast, so lets say you
have just two mouse buttons, each mouse button is 3 when used with shift
or ctrl, so for both buttons you could have 6 different ranks of heal,
using both mouse buttons at the same time gives you another 3, so thats
9 ranks you can use, the mouse heal clicks are only active when mousing
over the status bars on the addon, I'm not sure as I have not tried, but
I also think they are active when you mouse over someone also.


Eddy
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In article <483bfa95$0$10647$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>,
weeeddy.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com says...
> Trooper wrote:
> > Zizii (my priest) is now L25 and getting ready to be an angel of mercy
> > in the battlegrounds again for a few levels.
> >
> > I don't think i'm very mana efficient though, I run out of mana pretty
> > quick in battlegrounds and i'm pretty sure I'm overhealing.
> > Is there an easy way to make grid and clique automatically only use the
> > level of heal that will get a character to max? Benecast used to be
> > able to do that and it was very useful.
> >
> > Also, I just picked up holy nova, is this useful at all? I can't really
> > see a use for it at the moment...
> >
> > T.
> >
> Forget grid, use Healbot, it sets all your heals to the mouse, you can
> set it up for different ranks of heal, eg, shift left click FOL(rank5
> I'm a pally healer btw) or just left click FOL(higest), you can also use
> both mouse buttons pressed together as a spell cast, so lets say you
> have just two mouse buttons, each mouse button is 3 when used with shift
> or ctrl, so for both buttons you could have 6 different ranks of heal,
> using both mouse buttons at the same time gives you another 3, so thats
> 9 ranks you can use, the mouse heal clicks are only active when mousing
> over the status bars on the addon, I'm not sure as I have not tried, but
> I also think they are active when you mouse over someone also.
>
>

I think you are confusing grid with something else. Grid is just a
unitframe display (I say "just", it is massively configurable).

For the functionality you describe I use Clique, which does the same
thing only better

T.
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In article <046faffb-95c7-48ec-9807-c7df0665fde4
@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, vahn.yughi DeleteThis @gmail.com says...
> On May 27, 3:58 am, Trooper <removet... DeleteThis @trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <b31ec931-5ed4-4760-af54-34db67bdbc9c@
> > 34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, mateusz.woj... DeleteThis @gmail.com says...
> >
> > > On 26 Maj, 12:52, Trooper <removet... DeleteThis @trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > I don't think i'm very mana efficient though, I run out of mana pretty
> > > > quick in battlegrounds and i'm pretty sure I'm overhealing.
> > > > Is there an easy way to make grid and clique automatically only use the
> > > > level of heal that will get a character to max? Benecast used to be
> > > > able to do that and it was very useful.
> >
> > > It's no longer possible for an addon to auto-select spell to cast
> > > during combat. Out of combat it works though.
> >
> > Ah, ok.
> >
> > What I have done is get grid to show the health deficit for everyone, so
> > I know how much healing they need. I'll just have to use my feeble
> > brain to select the spell level.
> >
> > T.
>
> Instead of doing [or trying to do] the math in your head, you could
> try getting the addon... DrDamage [http://www.wowace.com/wiki/
> DrDamage]. It shows the damage/healing done by said spell in the
> hotkey icon of your spellbar.
>

Nice.

> [Supposedly] accounts for all your +dmg/heal gear, talents, buffs,
> etc.

Nice.

>
> Also, the mouseover display is nice... it tells you how many times you
> can cast said spell/skill before OOMing, total damage/healing done
> before OOM, and a bunch of other nifty info.
>

Sold! I'm a total sucker for anything stat wise. If there was an addon
that all it did was tell you how many times you looked at that addon,
i'd probably install it...

T.
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In article <80f076a7-19f0-494e-9a5f-91c621e200d1
@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, marknewsgroups.RemoveThis@yahoo.com says...
> On May 27, 10:16 am, "steve.kaye" <nos....RemoveThis@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 27 May, 09:45, "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro....RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:

> > Things that I know I have changed are the positions of debuff
> > indicators - I have them configured as the spells that I have to cure
> > them: top left shows poisons and alt-left mouse button cures poisons;
> > top right shows curses and alt-right mouse button cures them.  (or it
> > could be the other way around )
>
> Ok, to be honest I've never really understood all that, in fact the
> only indicator I notice regularly is the red dot in the top left which
> I have always assumed meant "taking damage" or "has aggro" since when
> it's there the players health is generally decreasing. Debuffs don't
> *seem* to appear the the corners, they are displayed covering the
> whole health bar.

That's the centre icon mentioned in the previous post.

T.
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In article <f0a51b8d-9b3a-459e-95be-04c594e92364
@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, marknewsgroups.RemoveThis@yahoo.com says...
> On May 27, 2:09 pm, Vahn <vahn.yu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 27, 3:58 am, Trooper <removet....RemoveThis@trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >

> Thing is, is it even worth it to try and cast the exact level of heal
> needed? Your heals have a cast time, and if someone is in combat then
> surely by the time you get your exact heal off they'll have taken more
> damage?
>

True, and that is something that I imagine you get better at working out
on the fly as time goes by. However, quite often I will shield before
healing, so their health isn't going down while I cast.

I'm not really concerned about making sure i'm using the exact spell
level, just whether it would be better to do a flash heal or greater
heal, or a rank 2 rather than a max rank.

T.
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In article <064429dd-2322-4005-a796-7984611085c7
@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, colemanj4.TakeThisOut@gmail.com says...
> On May 27, 9:28 am, Trooper <removet....TakeThisOut@trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <f0a51b8d-9b3a-459e-95be-04c594e92364
> > @y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, marknewsgro....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com says...
> >
> > > On May 27, 2:09 pm, Vahn <vahn.yu....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 27, 3:58 am, Trooper <removet....TakeThisOut@trooperlooper.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Thing is, is it even worth it to try and cast the exact level of heal
> > > needed? Your heals have a cast time, and if someone is in combat then
> > > surely by the time you get your exact heal off they'll have taken more
> > > damage?
> >
> > True, and that is something that I imagine you get better at working out
> > on the fly as time goes by.  However, quite often I will shield before
> > healing, so their health isn't going down while I cast.
> >
> > I'm not really concerned about making sure i'm using the exact spell
> > level, just whether it would be better to do a flash heal or greater
> > heal, or a rank 2 rather than a max rank.  
> >
> > T.
>
> Not sure if you PVE, but NEVER do that to your tank unless s/he has a
> high threat lead, and is going to die unless you do that. Popping a
> shield will not only start a Rage starvation, but will kill the threat
> the tank is pulling, and most likely you (the healer) will be the
> recipient of a good bashing
>

Good point, i'm talking about battleground healing. I don't plan on
using shield during instances.

T.
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In article
<cae62436-66d5-4095-9d66-690773bdda07 RemoveThis @8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
steve.kaye <nospam RemoveThis @giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:

> I've even read articles that suggest it would be beneficial to pre-
> shield and pre-POM a tank in heroics. The reason being that casting
> those spells before the fight gives no aggro and basically removes the
> damage from the first hit giving the tank a few more seconds to get
> aggro over the priest before they need healing.

Oh, definitely pre-PoM - we use it as a 'go' sign for the tank as well


I use a Renew on the tank before pulling as well, which works the same,
I think.. no aggro for priest, but healing for the tank in those first
few seconds of combat.

___
Neil
aka HighVis

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On 27 May, 17:25, "steve.kaye" <nos... DeleteThis @giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm not sure if it is in the main addon now but I have an addon called
> GridSideIndicators which adds Top Side, Left Side, Right Side and
> Bottom Side indicators which I need to be able to show all the
> indicators that I show.  On my druid I have aggro, poisons, curses,
> renew, rejuv indicators.
>
> I don't have it, but there is a useful addon that can differentiate
> between your hots and other peoples hots so you know who you can add a
> renew to even when there are other druid healers around.

I play too many healers - I have regrowth showing - not renew - and
you can know who you can add a rejuv to.

steve.kaye
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Trooper wrote:
> In article <483bfa95$0$10647$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>,
> weeeddy DeleteThis @hotmail.com says...
>> Trooper wrote:
>>> Zizii (my priest) is now L25 and getting ready to be an angel of mercy
>>> in the battlegrounds again for a few levels.
>>>
>>> I don't think i'm very mana efficient though, I run out of mana pretty
>>> quick in battlegrounds and i'm pretty sure I'm overhealing.
>>> Is there an easy way to make grid and clique automatically only use the
>>> level of heal that will get a character to max? Benecast used to be
>>> able to do that and it was very useful.
>>>
>>> Also, I just picked up holy nova, is this useful at all? I can't really
>>> see a use for it at the moment...
>>>
>>> T.
>>>
>> Forget grid, use Healbot, it sets all your heals to the mouse, you can
>> set it up for different ranks of heal, eg, shift left click FOL(rank5
>> I'm a pally healer btw) or just left click FOL(higest), you can also use
>> both mouse buttons pressed together as a spell cast, so lets say you
>> have just two mouse buttons, each mouse button is 3 when used with shift
>> or ctrl, so for both buttons you could have 6 different ranks of heal,
>> using both mouse buttons at the same time gives you another 3, so thats
>> 9 ranks you can use, the mouse heal clicks are only active when mousing
>> over the status bars on the addon, I'm not sure as I have not tried, but
>> I also think they are active when you mouse over someone also.
>>
>>
>
> I think you are confusing grid with something else. Grid is just a
> unitframe display (I say "just", it is massively configurable).
>
> For the functionality you describe I use Clique, which does the same
> thing only better
>
> T.
Heal bot is like Clique and Grid combined, it also includes a unit frame
like grid only in a bar format so its like an all in one, never tried
Clique tho, whats the memory usage like? can not seem to find it on curse.

Eddy
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