New Ork list for your consideration

In article <BAQlj.58793$vt2.50716@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
richbusby.TakeThisOut@hatespam.bellsouth.net says...
> C&C welcome. Considering this for a tournament list @2000 points.
>
> HQ:
>
> Old Zogwort
> Big Mek with SAG, 'eavy Armor, Power Klaw
>
> Troops:
> Deff Dread w/2 Big Shootas
> Boyz w/Shootas x30 w/3 Big Shootas, Nob w/Power Klaw
>
> Elites:
> Lootas x15
> Lootas x15
>
> Fast:
> Stormboyz x20 w/Zagstruck
> Stormboyz x20 w/Nob, PK
>
> Heavy:
> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota (Looted Basilisk)
> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota x2 &'ard case (Looted Predator)
> Big Gunz x3 Zzap Gunz w/3 ammo runts and 5 extra grot crew
>
Hmmm, while I've only just picked up the Ork Codex, I might
suggest that you're going to be at a disadvantage in a tournament with
this list. If you haven't looked at the tournament scenarios, do so -
they should be available in PDF format from GW. I do believe you'll
find a fair number of scenarios where you'll need at least a moderate
amount of mobility, and your list has very little when it comes to units
that can cross the board in a timely fashion to claim objectives or get
into the enemy's deployment zone, etc. I also have to admit that I'm
disappointed that the 'Ard Boyz didn't get a BS of 3. It's down right
pathetic when none of the Orky units (even the experienced ones) can't
out shoot your average IG footslogger or a freaking Termigant.

I realize you may not want / be able to make drastic changes to
your list, but you might consider a Mek with a custom force field to
give the boyz a bit more of a fighting chance in the event you're on a
table with sparse cover or los blocking terrain (which seems to be the
case in a fair number of tournaments). That said, I think the Orks low
BS and your lack of mobility will come to haunt you. YMMV.

Hope that helps,

Myr

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:02:53 -0500, Richard Busby
<richbusby.TakeThisOut@hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote:

>C&C welcome. Considering this for a tournament list @2000 points.
>
>HQ:
>
>Old Zogwort
>Big Mek with SAG, 'eavy Armor, Power Klaw

Interesting combo for HQ. Not sure about giving the SAG Mek a PK, but
I understand the reason behind it. Those two should be good support
for the army, and Zogwort might well give you some extra Waagh!'s.

>Troops:
>Deff Dread w/2 Big Shootas
>Boyz w/Shootas x30 w/3 Big Shootas, Nob w/Power Klaw

Hmm... Only two Troops choices? I like the big mob of shoota boyz,
but watch out for RAW jerks trying to tell you that your Nob can't
have a PK.

>Elites:
>Lootas x15
>Lootas x15

Wow... that's firepower! These guys will instantly become targets,
which might save your Stormboyz. Average of 30 shots = 10 S7 hits.

>Fast:
>Stormboyz x20 w/Zagstruck
>Stormboyz x20 w/Nob, PK

Stormboyz! Gotta love 'em. Should be a solid fast-hitting force.

>Heavy:
>Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota (Looted Basilisk)
>Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota x2 &'ard case (Looted Predator)
>Big Gunz x3 Zzap Gunz w/3 ammo runts and 5 extra grot crew

And some big guns to take care of armor. Good.

The combination of fast hard-hitting with a serious base of firepower
looks good, as does the walking mass of firepower. The only problem
you might encounter is dealing with particularly heavy vehicles if
your Big Gunz and/or SAG go out early. You do have a lot of PKs and
Zogwort can help with his psychic blasts, but you want to protect the
Zzap Guns.

I'd suggest forming a firebase, preferably on some raised terrain,
with the Lootas flanking the Zzap guns to either side. The Stormboyz
should be together to make one big sledgehammer to slam into the
opposing army, with the Shoota Boyz and Deff Dread coming up the
center to get attention off the Stormboyz.

Go bold. I mean REAL bold, balls-to-the-walls. If you get too
concerned early, you're going to falter, and that's bad. Head up the
middle as fast as possible spewing out shots, and around the outside
with Stormboyz. Hit the side of the army opposite your Stormboyz with
the heavy firepower, taking care of reserves, and also try to knock
out vehicles and big guns fast. You should be able to call a Waagh!
on Turn 2 and get your Stormboyz into combat with an average assault
move of 25" for the turn (12"+2D6"+6", assuming 2D6 gets an average of
7). That'll catch your opponent off-guard so quickly that he'll
likely spend the entire game trying to react to 40 Orks in his midst,
and your firepower units will be free to start mangling the rest of
his army. By the time he gets enough reserves over to deal with the
Stormboyz, it should be time for the Shoota Boyz to arrive with the
Dread, carving their own mark into the middle of their army.

I'd love to see this army in play, it sounds like a hard-hitter which
could be lethal. Give us a full tourney report when you're done!

--
Erik

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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:17:36 -0500, Myrmidon <imnot.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote:

> Hmmm, while I've only just picked up the Ork Codex, I might
>suggest that you're going to be at a disadvantage in a tournament with
>this list. If you haven't looked at the tournament scenarios, do so -
>they should be available in PDF format from GW.

More than that, if they're using those silly RTT rules still on GW's
site, there's a good chance he'll get ripped on composition score
because of only having two Troops choices, one of which is a Heavy
Support choice being used as Troops.

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"Richard Busby" <richbusby.DeleteThis@hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:BAQlj.58793$vt2.50716@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> C&C welcome. Considering this for a tournament list @2000 points.
>
> HQ:
>
> Old Zogwort
> Big Mek with SAG, 'eavy Armor, Power Klaw
>
> Troops:
> Deff Dread w/2 Big Shootas
> Boyz w/Shootas x30 w/3 Big Shootas, Nob w/Power Klaw
>
> Elites:
> Lootas x15
> Lootas x15
>
> Fast:
> Stormboyz x20 w/Zagstruck
> Stormboyz x20 w/Nob, PK
>
> Heavy:
> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota (Looted Basilisk)
> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota x2 &'ard case (Looted Predator)
> Big Gunz x3 Zzap Gunz w/3 ammo runts and 5 extra grot crew

I don't play Orks or even 40k, but you got a SAG, lots of shooteez and some
fun vehichles. I would have gotten a trukk just cause I like those models,
but thats just me.
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Kevin Milner wrote:
> "Richard Busby" <richbusby DeleteThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:BAQlj.58793$vt2.50716@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> C&C welcome. Considering this for a tournament list @2000 points.
>>
>> HQ:
>>
>> Old Zogwort
>> Big Mek with SAG, 'eavy Armor, Power Klaw
>>
>> Troops:
>> Deff Dread w/2 Big Shootas
>> Boyz w/Shootas x30 w/3 Big Shootas, Nob w/Power Klaw
>>
>> Elites:
>> Lootas x15
>> Lootas x15
>>
>> Fast:
>> Stormboyz x20 w/Zagstruck
>> Stormboyz x20 w/Nob, PK
>>
>> Heavy:
>> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota (Looted Basilisk)
>> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota x2 &'ard case (Looted Predator)
>> Big Gunz x3 Zzap Gunz w/3 ammo runts and 5 extra grot crew
>
> I don't play Orks or even 40k, but you got a SAG, lots of shooteez and some
> fun vehichles. I would have gotten a trukk just cause I like those models,
> but thats just me.
>

Thanks for the reply anyway! I'm going for a shooty list here obviously
with the Stormboyz as table quarter grabbers and counter assault in case
anything gets close enough to threaten the gun line. The Boyz mob will
be a meat shield for Zogwort and if I get lucky and teleport you'll have
a mob of 30 shooty Boyz knocking on your front porch ready for the
assault next turn...

No real place to squeeze in the Trukk, though a mob of Nobz in a Trukk
did cross my mind. Expensive though. Might replace one of the Stormboyz
mobs with that. Maybe Meganobz.
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On 1/23/08 7:29 PM, in article lCTlj.9160$4b6.1415@trndny08, "Kevin Milner"
<dontspamme.DeleteThis@ihatespam.net> wrote:

>
> "Richard Busby" <richbusby.DeleteThis@hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:BAQlj.58793$vt2.50716@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> C&C welcome. Considering this for a tournament list @2000 points.
>>
>> HQ:
>>
>> Old Zogwort
>> Big Mek with SAG, 'eavy Armor, Power Klaw
>>
>> Troops:
>> Deff Dread w/2 Big Shootas
>> Boyz w/Shootas x30 w/3 Big Shootas, Nob w/Power Klaw
>>
>> Elites:
>> Lootas x15
>> Lootas x15
>>
>> Fast:
>> Stormboyz x20 w/Zagstruck
>> Stormboyz x20 w/Nob, PK
>>
>> Heavy:
>> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota (Looted Basilisk)
>> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota x2 &'ard case (Looted Predator)
>> Big Gunz x3 Zzap Gunz w/3 ammo runts and 5 extra grot crew
>
> I don't play Orks or even 40k, but you got a SAG, lots of shooteez and some
> fun vehichles. I would have gotten a trukk just cause I like those models,
> but thats just me.
>
>
Add me to the list of non-40K Ork players. I do fantasy though.
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In article <C3BD7A4B.3587%j_quick@comcast.net>, j_quick.DeleteThis@comcast.net
says...
<snippity snip snip!>

> Add me to the list of non-40K Ork players. I do fantasy though.
>
Aww! Damnit! Now you tell, AFTER I'm married. I've always liked
the one about thigh high leather boots and fishnet stockings...

Myr -Oh wait, that isn't what you ment?- midon

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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:54:53 -0500, Richard Busby
<richbusby DeleteThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Kevin Milner wrote:
>> "Richard Busby" <richbusby DeleteThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:BAQlj.58793$vt2.50716@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>> C&C welcome. Considering this for a tournament list @2000 points.
>>>
>>> HQ:
>>>
>>> Old Zogwort
>>> Big Mek with SAG, 'eavy Armor, Power Klaw
>>>
>>> Troops:
>>> Deff Dread w/2 Big Shootas
>>> Boyz w/Shootas x30 w/3 Big Shootas, Nob w/Power Klaw
>>>
>>> Elites:
>>> Lootas x15
>>> Lootas x15
>>>
>>> Fast:
>>> Stormboyz x20 w/Zagstruck
>>> Stormboyz x20 w/Nob, PK
>>>
>>> Heavy:
>>> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota (Looted Basilisk)
>>> Looted Wagon w/Boomgun, Big Shoota x2 &'ard case (Looted Predator)
>>> Big Gunz x3 Zzap Gunz w/3 ammo runts and 5 extra grot crew
>>
>> I don't play Orks or even 40k, but you got a SAG, lots of shooteez and some
>> fun vehichles. I would have gotten a trukk just cause I like those models,
>> but thats just me.
>>
>
>Thanks for the reply anyway! I'm going for a shooty list here obviously
>with the Stormboyz as table quarter grabbers and counter assault in case
>anything gets close enough to threaten the gun line. The Boyz mob will
>be a meat shield for Zogwort and if I get lucky and teleport you'll have
>a mob of 30 shooty Boyz knocking on your front porch ready for the
>assault next turn...
>
>No real place to squeeze in the Trukk, though a mob of Nobz in a Trukk
>did cross my mind. Expensive though. Might replace one of the Stormboyz
>mobs with that. Maybe Meganobz.

Hmm... not sure I'd go with a gunline and try to play it out static.
It's POSSIBLE, but has too much chance of going horribly wrong, as
well as leaving the Orks' biggest strong suit out of the gameplan
altogether: assault.

I'd try some games first to see if the theory works. It might. If it
doesn't, I'd suggest going with the all-out aggressive approach. It
works very nicely with the Orks.

Also, don't bother with the Mega-Nobz. They're nice, but the
Stormboyz will be a lot better.

--
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"Janet Quick" <j_quick.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
> Add me to the list of non-40K Ork players. I do fantasy though.
>
you mean...you dress up like an ork when you... do it?
heh...heh...uh...heh...I'm so there right now.
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>> I don't play Orks or even 40k, but you got a SAG, lots of shooteez and
>> some
>> fun vehichles. I would have gotten a trukk just cause I like those
>> models,
>> but thats just me.
>>
>>
> Add me to the list of non-40K Ork players. I do fantasy though.
>

being most likely the only person who isnt going to make this a sexual joke,
i have thought on playing fantasy. i have some dwarves painted up quite
nicely. i just cant get into it.
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Myrmidon wrote:
> I realize you may not want / be able to make drastic changes to
> your list, but you might consider a Mek with a custom force field to
> give the boyz a bit more of a fighting chance in the event you're on a
> table with sparse cover or los blocking terrain (which seems to be the
> case in a fair number of tournaments). That said, I think the Orks low
> BS and your lack of mobility will come to haunt you. YMMV.

Not averse to making changes at this point... and I can certainly see
where the cover/LOS issue could play. Getting the KFF means dropping the
SAG or Zogwort... tough choice there.

I'm counting on fire volume with the Lootas and a Waaagh or three from
Zogwort to help me out with the Boyz mobility. Hell if I get lucky Old
Zogwort will teleport the boyz across the table the first turn and I'll
park the Boyz right in their midst.
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Erik Setzer wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:17:36 -0500, Myrmidon <imnot RemoveThis @home.com> wrote:
>
>> Hmmm, while I've only just picked up the Ork Codex, I might
>> suggest that you're going to be at a disadvantage in a tournament with
>> this list. If you haven't looked at the tournament scenarios, do so -
>> they should be available in PDF format from GW.
>
> More than that, if they're using those silly RTT rules still on GW's
> site, there's a good chance he'll get ripped on composition score
> because of only having two Troops choices, one of which is a Heavy
> Support choice being used as Troops.
>

There's been a decided de-emphasis on the comp scores around these
parts, though the opponent does still usually have some input in any
event. That usually turns into "Oh I creamed you, here's a consolation
good comp score" or "You beat my ass, you dickwad, your army is cheese!".
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Erik Setzer wrote:

> I'd suggest forming a firebase, preferably on some raised terrain,
> with the Lootas flanking the Zzap guns to either side. The Stormboyz
> should be together to make one big sledgehammer to slam into the
> opposing army, with the Shoota Boyz and Deff Dread coming up the
> center to get attention off the Stormboyz.
>
> Go bold. I mean REAL bold, balls-to-the-walls. If you get too
> concerned early, you're going to falter, and that's bad. Head up the
> middle as fast as possible spewing out shots, and around the outside
> with Stormboyz. Hit the side of the army opposite your Stormboyz with
> the heavy firepower, taking care of reserves, and also try to knock
> out vehicles and big guns fast. You should be able to call a Waagh!
> on Turn 2 and get your Stormboyz into combat with an average assault
> move of 25" for the turn (12"+2D6"+6", assuming 2D6 gets an average of
> 7). That'll catch your opponent off-guard so quickly that he'll
> likely spend the entire game trying to react to 40 Orks in his midst,
> and your firepower units will be free to start mangling the rest of
> his army.

That's pretty much the design theory. Force the opponent to make tough
choices. Do I ignore the Lootas pounding me from turn one to shoot at
the Stormboyz who will be here next turn? Do I try to thin out that
scary mob of 30 Boyz or the Stormboyz? Are the Boom Guns the target or
the Lootas? Or the Zzzap Guns?

Lootas provide shooting from turn one with their 48" range. Stormboyz
threaten to assault on turn two. Zogwort provides Waaagh or Teleport for
the Boyz who ramrod up the middle threatening shooting and assaults
early. Boomguns move into position to threaten anything that approaches
the Lootas with Pie Plates. Zzap guns will provide
anti-tank/anti-Terminator support probably anchoring the middle. Big Mek
plays the harassing role and possibly teleports into CC (thus the PK).

It will be a fun list to play in any event. My prediction is it either
wins big or loses big. Hopefully it won't be too much of a pain in the
ass to move around on the table in a tourney setting.
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