[40k] Official Apocalypse Updates

On Aug 4, 11:52 am, Kurt <kolon... DeleteThis @nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
> It was twenty years ago today, Playa taught the band to play:> Kurt wrote:
>
> >> Apocalypse hasn't stirred a single mote of interest in me
>
> > A move away from the tourney mindset isn't interesting?
> > A move by *GW* to offer retail discounts isn't interesting?
> > Yeah, that is weird.
>
> I'm not sure if you're mistaking my apathy for a negative feeling about
> 40KA. I'm just not interested in a game that I was quite happily
> playing 15 years ago in a more manageable scale. I like 40K as a
> "skirmish", to the point where I even got rid of my Nid army because I
> got tired of moving 100 figures around the board.
>

I agree completely. Its partly why I almost never play my LatD as I
can't be bothered moving that many minis. Both to the venue and on the
board.
Thats part of reason why our recent skirmish campaign is best fun
gaming I've had for years.
Few number of guys to get really involved with. Not just ooh lost
another 20 guard/skaven.
The wfb skirmish campaign has almost got me intrested in 40k again for
a really Rogue trader campaign. ie following around a rogue trader as
he meets aliens, inquistors, mechanicus explorators etc.

>
> But, I don't have 3K worth, and if I did I could do without the 45 mins
> it would take to move them every turn

Yeah but if you play it. It'll be rarely and at a club, store, few
guys together so you'll join with the CSM player and have 5k.


>
> It's excellent that "old" lists are going to be supported, though I'd
> like to see some really old-school stuff return (like Stealer cults -
> though it's probably not the scale for them).

Go custom skirmish campaigns again. Can field all those old models of
5 zoats etc.
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Hey,

Kurt wrote:
> >> Apocalypse hasn't stirred a single mote of interest in me
> I do like the idea of price drops and killing off the tournament players

I'll take that for two motes, then . . .

> (especially the ones who can't even play a social game in a civil way)

Hear, hear.

> But, I don't have 3K worth

2 players w/ 1500pt ea = 40k. 4 players w/ 1500pt ea = Apocalypse.
And no necessary expenditure beyond one player getting the rules.

> I'd like to see some really old-school stuff return
> (like Stealer cults

Isn't there an "Unorthodox Armies" CA list for them? [searches]

+++

GENESTEALER CULT IG ARMY
- Tim Huckelbery


RESTRICTED TROOPS: Conscript Platoon
The army can now include Conscript Platoons.

SKILLS AND DRILLS: Hardened Fighters
Infantrymen have a better WS value.

SKILLS AND DRILLS: Veterans
May include more than one Hardened Veteran Unit.

SPECIAL EQUIPMENT: Chem-Inhalers
Infantrymen have a better chance with Leadership checks.

RESTRICTED TROOPS: Heavy Weapon Platoon
The army can now include Heavy Weapon Platoons.

The Conscripts doctrine represents recent Brood Brother recruits.
Chem-Inhalers represent the control of the Hivemind over the cult
members.
The Veterans doctrine is used to indicate Genestealer Hybrids.
Heavy Weapon Platoon indicates infiltration of the highest echelons of
government.
Brood Brother fanaticism = the Hardened Fighters doctrine.

+++

That may not be tourney-legal, but it's a start.

HTH


Playa
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Hey,

CheezHankrn wrote:
> our recent skirmish campaign is best fun
> gaming I've had for years

GW could follow-up 40kA with a Universal Skirmish set.
Generic rules for both WH systems would be sweet.
They could use the best mechanics from Mord and Necro for a start.

> Go custom skirmish campaigns again

GW needs to develop a universal campaign system, too.
But, not til *after* they release the updated skirmish rules.
I don't suppose someone on RGMW's already done either?


Playa
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It was twenty years ago today, Playa taught the band to play:
> Kurt wrote:
>> Weird, isn't it?
>
> Perhaps.
>
I'll take that as a yes then.

>> I don't mind the Chaos changes
>
> I suspect you're in the minority of CSM players in that regard.
>
Most likely, but I don't play the typical maxed-out Oblits and whatnot.
I'm not overjoyed with the Demon nerfing, but we'll see what happens
with rumours of a later book to come. Finally being able to get some
bikes for my Death Guard is pretty neat though.

>> Apocalypse hasn't stirred a single mote of interest in me
>
> A move away from the tourney mindset isn't interesting?
> A move by *GW* to offer retail discounts isn't interesting?
> Yeah, that is weird.
>
I'm not sure if you're mistaking my apathy for a negative feeling about
40KA. I'm just not interested in a game that I was quite happily
playing 15 years ago in a more manageable scale. I like 40K as a
"skirmish", to the point where I even got rid of my Nid army because I
got tired of moving 100 figures around the board.

I do like the idea of price drops and killing off the tournament players
(especially the ones who can't even play a social game in a civil way),
but neither of those filter down into 40K for someone who already has
their armies and doesn't play in competitions (which is me).

>> cheesemonkeys who want to pull out a couple of Titans
>
> Homoerotica: last refuge of the simile impaired.
>
>> my cultists haven't been out of the box for over 2 years
>
> 40k Discussion groups are rife with anti-LatD rhetoric -
> "The new Chaos Codex invalidates the old LatD list!"
> "Someone told me LatD is illegal now, so it must be true!"
>
If I had a dollar for every stupid rumour and piece of misinformation on
forums, I'd have enough to buy an Apocalypse army...

> Yeah, my Cult Covens were exiled from Alpha in the new Dex.
> But now they're *back* as Mutant Mobs in a LatD list.
> The 40kA rules name LatD *specifically* as a valid list.
> Better, they now have unrestricted access to IG Units.
>
But, I don't have 3K worth, and if I did I could do without the 45 mins
it would take to move them every turn

It's excellent that "old" lists are going to be supported, though I'd
like to see some really old-school stuff return (like Stealer cults -
though it's probably not the scale for them).

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It was twenty years ago today, Playa taught the band to play:
> Kurt wrote:
>>>> Apocalypse hasn't stirred a single mote of interest in me
>> I do like the idea of price drops and killing off the tournament players
>
> I'll take that for two motes, then . . .
>
Neither of those points are going to make me play the game though. But
from a general "Yay for the hobby" aspect I'm happy.

>> (especially the ones who can't even play a social game in a civil way)
>
> Hear, hear.
>
There was a guy came up to our club from interstate looking for some
games (with a Necron army, which should have been a dead giveaway). He
quibbled over every minor point and basically played like a real prick.
Turned out he was a comp gamer looking for practice before the GT -
after two games nobody else would play him so he never came back.
Legend has it he's still a cock but he's switched to Nids.

>> But, I don't have 3K worth
>
> 2 players w/ 1500pt ea = 40k. 4 players w/ 1500pt ea = Apocalypse.
> And no necessary expenditure beyond one player getting the rules.
>
It's not the expenditure that worries me (pirated PDFs ftw), it's the
amount of time sunk into playing a game. I don't have the inclination
to sit around a table playing one game for more than about two hours,
and with the volume of figures that are going to be shuffling about
that's probably how long each turn is going to take.

>> I'd like to see some really old-school stuff return
>> (like Stealer cults
>
> Isn't there an "Unorthodox Armies" CA list for them? [searches]
>
<snip>
Not too bad, I'd like something along the lines of the RT list though
(perhaps not with Patriarchs possessed by Greater Daemons).

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Kurt *Kill the nospam to reply*

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Hey,

Kurt wrote:
> It's not the expenditure...it's the amount of time

Ah. So if 40kA moves along as briskly as 40k, it's fine with Kurt?
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, then. :- )

> I'd like something along the lines of the RT list

Heh. I had a Genestealer with the MoK for a while.
(A stylised Khorne symbol painted on its forehead in red).
So many people asked me why it was there, I painted over it.
Hmmm . . . I've still got some Ork Hybrids somewhere.
I gave my GS Cult to a kid that decided to play Ultramarines. :- \
[sigh] Mem'ries . . .


Playa
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It was twenty years ago today, Playa taught the band to play:
> Hey,
>
> Kurt wrote:
>> It's not the expenditure...it's the amount of time
>
> Ah. So if 40kA moves along as briskly as 40k, it's fine with Kurt?
> I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, then. :- )
>
We'll see what happens. Apparently a few of the local guys want to play
so I can wait and see how it pans out.

>> I'd like something along the lines of the RT list
>
> Heh. I had a Genestealer with the MoK for a while.
> (A stylised Khorne symbol painted on its forehead in red).
> So many people asked me why it was there, I painted over it.
> Hmmm . . . I've still got some Ork Hybrids somewhere.
> I gave my GS Cult to a kid that decided to play Ultramarines. :- \
> [sigh] Mem'ries . . .
>
I think I still have a couple of plastic Stealers floating around with
MoKs, but they are just lurking in a box these days - I was tempted to
enter a couple of 40K comps with an army of 71 Stealers and a Broodlord
just to piss people off but in the end I could never be bothered.

--
Kurt *Kill the nospam to reply*

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Hey,

Kurt wrote:
> I was tempted to enter a couple of 40K comps with an army
> of 71 Stealers and a Broodlord just to piss people off

Oh, man! The old 'lurching' Patriarch as a Broodlord would own!

> in the end I could never be bothered

What? Even if it would piss fanboys off?


Playa
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On Aug 5, 4:45 pm, Playa <hurlgen... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Kurt wrote:
> > I was tempted to enter a couple of 40K comps with an army
> > of 71 Stealers and a Broodlord just to piss people off
>
> Oh, man! The old 'lurching' Patriarch as a Broodlord would own!
>
> > in the end I could never be bothered
>
> What? Even if it would piss fanboys off?
>

it would only do that for a minute... then they'd all start planning
their 71 Genestealer armies for the next GT.
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It was twenty years ago today, Playa taught the band to play:
> Kurt wrote:
>> I was tempted to enter a couple of 40K comps with an army
>> of 71 Stealers and a Broodlord just to piss people off
>
> Oh, man! The old 'lurching' Patriarch as a Broodlord would own!
>
Yeah that was what I was going to use. I love my old fatty Patriarch.

>> in the end I could never be bothered
>
> What? Even if it would piss fanboys off?
>
That was highly motivating at first, until I realised how insane I'd go
painting another 59 stealers.

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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:47:29 -0700, Blackheart
<blackheart666_2000.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 5, 4:45 pm, Playa <hurlgen....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Kurt wrote:
>> > I was tempted to enter a couple of 40K comps with an army
>> > of 71 Stealers and a Broodlord just to piss people off
>>
>> Oh, man! The old 'lurching' Patriarch as a Broodlord would own!
>>
>> > in the end I could never be bothered
>>
>> What? Even if it would piss fanboys off?
>>
>
>it would only do that for a minute... then they'd all start planning
>their 71 Genestealer armies for the next GT.

Sadly, Blackie speaks the truth here. It's like Iron Warriors or any
other overly effective army, people see it and copy it. You see the
same in any competition. In 1/24 slot car racing people saw a guy win
with one body style and all copied it, then he switched just to prove
it was him and not the body. Though in this case, I think it might be
the 71 Stealers might.

--
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On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:50:30 +1000, Kurt <kolonelk DeleteThis @nospam.gmail.com>
wrote:

>>> I'd like something along the lines of the RT list
>>
>> Heh. I had a Genestealer with the MoK for a while.
>> (A stylised Khorne symbol painted on its forehead in red).
>> So many people asked me why it was there, I painted over it.
>> Hmmm . . . I've still got some Ork Hybrids somewhere.
>> I gave my GS Cult to a kid that decided to play Ultramarines. :- \
>> [sigh] Mem'ries . . .
>>
>I think I still have a couple of plastic Stealers floating around with
>MoKs, but they are just lurking in a box these days - I was tempted to
>enter a couple of 40K comps with an army of 71 Stealers and a Broodlord
>just to piss people off but in the end I could never be bothered.

That would be awesome to see. I might have to find some more
Genestealers.

--
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It was twenty years ago today, Erik Setzer taught the band to play:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 16:47:29 -0700, Blackheart
> <blackheart666_2000 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I was tempted to enter a couple of 40K comps with an army
>>>> of 71 Stealers and a Broodlord just to piss people off
>>> Oh, man! The old 'lurching' Patriarch as a Broodlord would own!
>>>
>>>> in the end I could never be bothered
>>> What? Even if it would piss fanboys off?
>>>
>> it would only do that for a minute... then they'd all start planning
>> their 71 Genestealer armies for the next GT.
>
> Sadly, Blackie speaks the truth here. It's like Iron Warriors or any
> other overly effective army, people see it and copy it. You see the
> same in any competition. In 1/24 slot car racing people saw a guy win
> with one body style and all copied it, then he switched just to prove
> it was him and not the body. Though in this case, I think it might be
> the 71 Stealers might.
>
That's fine by me, I'll just keep creating insano armies that become the
new fad, then designing the army that beats it soundly. I'll turn all
GW tournament play into a slow, incredibly expensive version of rock,
scissors, paper.

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