[40k] Official Apocalypse Updates

On Jul 16, 12:12 am, Blackheart <blackheart666_2... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:48 pm, Playa <hurlgen... DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
>
> > Text of Apocalypse ad in White Dwarf:
>
> It sounds interesting in theory... i know that, for me, using every
> model I own would require use of the entire basement as the table and
> still be crowded...
>
> i think i would like it better in a turn based PC game format though...

I'm still sporadically working on my PG2->40K conversion if you're
interested. It's nowhere near complete but it's a hoot to redo the
Blitzkrieg with Titans, Marauder bombers, etc.. and you can add your
own minis in as units, tweak stats etc.
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On Jul 16, 12:40 am, Borscope <donovan_bor... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 12:12 am, Blackheart <blackheart666_2... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 15, 10:48 pm, Playa <hurlgen... RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hey,
>
> > > Text of Apocalypse ad in White Dwarf:
>
> > It sounds interesting in theory... i know that, for me, using every
> > model I own would require use of the entire basement as the table and
> > still be crowded...
>
> > i think i would like it better in a turn based PC game format though...
>
> I'm still sporadically working on my PG2->40K conversion if you're
> interested. It's nowhere near complete but it's a hoot to redo the
> Blitzkrieg with Titans, Marauder bombers, etc.. and you can add your
> own minis in as units, tweak stats etc.

let me know when you finish it. I, unfortunately, do not have the time
to do dev work
unless it's a paying gig.. then I could find a few days a week
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On Jul 16, 3:29 am, Blackheart <blackheart666_2....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 12:40 am, Borscope <donovan_bor....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 12:12 am, Blackheart <blackheart666_2....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 15, 10:48 pm, Playa <hurlgen....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hey,
>
> > > > Text of Apocalypse ad in White Dwarf:
>
> > > It sounds interesting in theory... i know that, for me, using every
> > > model I own would require use of the entire basement as the table and
> > > still be crowded...
>
> > > i think i would like it better in a turn based PC game format though...
>
> > I'm still sporadically working on my PG2->40K conversion if you're
> > interested. It's nowhere near complete but it's a hoot to redo the
> > Blitzkrieg with Titans, Marauder bombers, etc.. and you can add your
> > own minis in as units, tweak stats etc.
>
> let me know when you finish it. I, unfortunately, do not have the time
> to do dev work
> unless it's a paying gig.. then I could find a few days a week - Hide quoted text -

Blah, nah, it's not dev work, the only hard part is getting pics of
minis to use in-game. The IG and SM are easy as I have most of the
units, but the other forces (Chaos, Orks,etc.) I've only got some pics
off the net so they're 2D instead of 3D.
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Borscope wrote:
> Blah, nah, it's not dev work, the only hard part is getting pics of
> minis to use in-game. The IG and SM are easy as I have most of the
> units, but the other forces (Chaos, Orks,etc.) I've only got some pics
> off the net so they're 2D instead of 3D.

Graphics are typically the most time consuming aspect of any game. All
that model development, bit mapping, texture mapping, etc. takes a lot
of hours! Even simple web page development depends a lot on the artwork.
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:13:22 -0400, Richard Busby
<richbusby DeleteThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Borscope wrote:
>> Blah, nah, it's not dev work, the only hard part is getting pics of
>> minis to use in-game. The IG and SM are easy as I have most of the
>> units, but the other forces (Chaos, Orks,etc.) I've only got some pics
>> off the net so they're 2D instead of 3D.
>
>Graphics are typically the most time consuming aspect of any game. All
>that model development, bit mapping, texture mapping, etc. takes a lot
>of hours! Even simple web page development depends a lot on the artwork.
Well, I was in the chicago bunker working with my epic club on our
table for GD Chicago when the guys who are going to be previewing Apoc
at GD Chicago were doing their learning rules system so I went over
and watched for a little bit and asked a few questions. Note that I
wasn't allowed to look at the book itself except for 1 page that they
showed me when I said I was a Dark Angels player

The physical book is something like 210 pages I believe and hardcover
though they were using a printout copy. Cover looks nice.

Fun little things. What would be Titan Killer weapons in Epic use
what look to be a 12 inch template. Anything under the template is
auto hit. Infantry models are auto wounded, no armor save except for
invulnerable saves. Multi wound models that fail invulnerable saves
are insta killed period. Vehicles are auto penetrated and superheavies
are auto penetrated with extra structure point damage.

I also saw a teardrop template that was something like 18 inches long.

The orbital bombardment template is 5 linked 5 inchers in a pattern
with each template with a number on it with the center having 5-6.
You roll 5d6 for an orbital bombardment and you hit the templates that
are rolled, with duplicates equalling multiple hits on all the
victims.

The only stat page I saw was the Space Marine Battle Company page.
Basically each formation costs x + model cost in points for a fixed
setup that when you field it will get you x stratagems that you can
use. For example the Battle Company costs 200 + models for this fixed
formation. 1 Captain (Company master assumed for DA and BA), 0-1
Chaplains, 1 Command Squad, 6 Full Tac squads with Rhinos, 2 Full
Assault Squads, 2 Full Devastator Squads + Rhinos. Now I have no idea
what the stratagems do.

I am definitely looking forward to popping inside that curtained area
a week from tomorrow.
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<rklemic.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:13:22 -0400, Richard Busby
> <richbusby.TakeThisOut@hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>Borscope wrote:
>>> Blah, nah, it's not dev work, the only hard part is getting pics of
>>> minis to use in-game. The IG and SM are easy as I have most of the
>>> units, but the other forces (Chaos, Orks,etc.) I've only got some pics
>>> off the net so they're 2D instead of 3D.
>>
>>Graphics are typically the most time consuming aspect of any game. All
>>that model development, bit mapping, texture mapping, etc. takes a lot
>>of hours! Even simple web page development depends a lot on the artwork.
> Well, I was in the chicago bunker working with my epic club on our
> table for GD Chicago when the guys who are going to be previewing Apoc
> at GD Chicago were doing their learning rules system so I went over
> and watched for a little bit and asked a few questions. Note that I
> wasn't allowed to look at the book itself except for 1 page that they
> showed me when I said I was a Dark Angels player
>
> The physical book is something like 210 pages I believe and hardcover
> though they were using a printout copy. Cover looks nice.
>
> Fun little things. What would be Titan Killer weapons in Epic use
> what look to be a 12 inch template. Anything under the template is
> auto hit. Infantry models are auto wounded, no armor save except for
> invulnerable saves. Multi wound models that fail invulnerable saves
> are insta killed period. Vehicles are auto penetrated and superheavies
> are auto penetrated with extra structure point damage.
>
> I also saw a teardrop template that was something like 18 inches long.
>
> The orbital bombardment template is 5 linked 5 inchers in a pattern
> with each template with a number on it with the center having 5-6.
> You roll 5d6 for an orbital bombardment and you hit the templates that
> are rolled, with duplicates equalling multiple hits on all the
> victims.
>
> The only stat page I saw was the Space Marine Battle Company page.
> Basically each formation costs x + model cost in points for a fixed
> setup that when you field it will get you x stratagems that you can
> use. For example the Battle Company costs 200 + models for this fixed
> formation. 1 Captain (Company master assumed for DA and BA), 0-1
> Chaplains, 1 Command Squad, 6 Full Tac squads with Rhinos, 2 Full
> Assault Squads, 2 Full Devastator Squads + Rhinos. Now I have no idea
> what the stratagems do.
>
> I am definitely looking forward to popping inside that curtained area
> a week from tomorrow.

Sounds cool, I'm looking forward to this. A question I have, though, is
regarding GWs claim that you'll be able to use "all your minis" in a game.
How does this work if you dont have the required 3000+ points worth of
minis? Would you be able to combine forces? I ask, as I have anywhere from
1500 to 2000 points of BT, DA, WH and DH (not inc. IG auxillarys), so under
the rules, I wouldn't be able to field an army. Would I be able to combine
those forces (say 1500 BT & 1500 WH) to meet the min. points requirement? Or
am I getting ahead of myself?

drgrbek
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On Jul 16, 11:13 am, Richard Busby <richbu....RemoveThis@hatespam.bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> Borscope wrote:
> > Blah, nah, it's not dev work, the only hard part is getting pics of
> > minis to use in-game. The IG and SM are easy as I have most of the
> > units, but the other forces (Chaos, Orks,etc.) I've only got some pics
> > off the net so they're 2D instead of 3D.
>
> Graphics are typically the most time consuming aspect of any game. All
> that model development, bit mapping, texture mapping, etc. takes a lot
> of hours! Even simple web page development depends a lot on the artwork.

This game is over 10 years old. The graphics consist of taking
pictures of the model from different angles, sizing it down to the
icon window, then converting the palette. Takes about 30 minutes to do
on average.
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:08:25 -0700, "relkins"
<relkins RemoveThis @u.washington.edu> wrote:

>
><rklemic RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:6c02a3diu7o4u5b5hpahb7uh0f9p6lisni@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:13:22 -0400, Richard Busby
>> <richbusby RemoveThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Borscope wrote:
>>>> Blah, nah, it's not dev work, the only hard part is getting pics of
>>>> minis to use in-game. The IG and SM are easy as I have most of the
>>>> units, but the other forces (Chaos, Orks,etc.) I've only got some pics
>>>> off the net so they're 2D instead of 3D.
>>>
>>>Graphics are typically the most time consuming aspect of any game. All
>>>that model development, bit mapping, texture mapping, etc. takes a lot
>>>of hours! Even simple web page development depends a lot on the artwork.
>> Well, I was in the chicago bunker working with my epic club on our
>> table for GD Chicago when the guys who are going to be previewing Apoc
>> at GD Chicago were doing their learning rules system so I went over
>> and watched for a little bit and asked a few questions. Note that I
>> wasn't allowed to look at the book itself except for 1 page that they
>> showed me when I said I was a Dark Angels player
>>
>> The physical book is something like 210 pages I believe and hardcover
>> though they were using a printout copy. Cover looks nice.
>>
>> Fun little things. What would be Titan Killer weapons in Epic use
>> what look to be a 12 inch template. Anything under the template is
>> auto hit. Infantry models are auto wounded, no armor save except for
>> invulnerable saves. Multi wound models that fail invulnerable saves
>> are insta killed period. Vehicles are auto penetrated and superheavies
>> are auto penetrated with extra structure point damage.
>>
>> I also saw a teardrop template that was something like 18 inches long.
>>
>> The orbital bombardment template is 5 linked 5 inchers in a pattern
>> with each template with a number on it with the center having 5-6.
>> You roll 5d6 for an orbital bombardment and you hit the templates that
>> are rolled, with duplicates equalling multiple hits on all the
>> victims.
>>
>> The only stat page I saw was the Space Marine Battle Company page.
>> Basically each formation costs x + model cost in points for a fixed
>> setup that when you field it will get you x stratagems that you can
>> use. For example the Battle Company costs 200 + models for this fixed
>> formation. 1 Captain (Company master assumed for DA and BA), 0-1
>> Chaplains, 1 Command Squad, 6 Full Tac squads with Rhinos, 2 Full
>> Assault Squads, 2 Full Devastator Squads + Rhinos. Now I have no idea
>> what the stratagems do.
>>
>> I am definitely looking forward to popping inside that curtained area
>> a week from tomorrow.
>
>Sounds cool, I'm looking forward to this. A question I have, though, is
>regarding GWs claim that you'll be able to use "all your minis" in a game.
>How does this work if you dont have the required 3000+ points worth of
>minis? Would you be able to combine forces? I ask, as I have anywhere from
>1500 to 2000 points of BT, DA, WH and DH (not inc. IG auxillarys), so under
>the rules, I wouldn't be able to field an army. Would I be able to combine
>those forces (say 1500 BT & 1500 WH) to meet the min. points requirement? Or
>am I getting ahead of myself?
>
>drgrbek
>
One thing that was mentioned is that people could team up and make
formations from multiple player's models. Among other things,
Apocalypse is going to probably be the main ruleset for store and con
mega battles from now on.
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> One thing that was mentioned is that people could team up and make
> formations from multiple player's models. Among other things,
> Apocalypse is going to probably be the main ruleset for store and con
> mega battles from now on.

So, is that a "Yes" to my question about combining different Imperial
forces?
If that was the case, I wonder if the army-specific rules would still be
suspended for the allying force, as is the case in the WH/DH codecii.

drgrbek
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rklemic.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> One thing that was mentioned is that people could team up and make formations from multiple player's models.
> Among other things, Apocalypse is going to probably be the main ruleset for store and con mega battles from now on.

But is there much point, when a quarter of your troops will disappear under
a template every turn, never to be seen again?

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On 16 Jul, 14:12, Blackheart <blackheart666_2....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 10:48 pm, Playa <hurlgen....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
>
> > Text of Apocalypse ad in White Dwarf:
>
> It sounds interesting in theory... i know that, for me, using every
> model I own would require use of the entire basement as the table and
> still be crowded...

I agree, it does sound interesting to play large games with company
formations, superheavy tanks, Squiggoths and Titans. But I think that
in order to save store and basement space, allow games to be played on
reasonably-sized tables and allow players to afford the components,
they should try doing it in a smaller scale. I've got it! They could
make all these models in 6mm. That sounds like a great game.

Phil
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It was twenty years ago today, Phil Bowles taught the band to play:
> On 16 Jul, 14:12, Blackheart <blackheart666_2....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 10:48 pm, Playa <hurlgen....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>> Text of Apocalypse ad in White Dwarf:
>> It sounds interesting in theory... i know that, for me, using every
>> model I own would require use of the entire basement as the table and
>> still be crowded...
>
> I agree, it does sound interesting to play large games with company
> formations, superheavy tanks, Squiggoths and Titans. But I think that
> in order to save store and basement space, allow games to be played on
> reasonably-sized tables and allow players to afford the components,
> they should try doing it in a smaller scale. I've got it! They could
> make all these models in 6mm. That sounds like a great game.
>
Don't be ridiculous Phil, how is an army in 6mm going to cost well over
$2000?

--
Kurt *Kill the nospam to reply*

Ignoring the fluff is like sleeping with your cousin!

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"Phil Bowles" <pbowles.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On 16 Jul, 14:12, Blackheart <blackheart666_2....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 10:48 pm, Playa <hurlgen....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey,
>>
>> > Text of Apocalypse ad in White Dwarf:
>>
>> It sounds interesting in theory... i know that, for me, using every
>> model I own would require use of the entire basement as the table and
>> still be crowded...
>
> I agree, it does sound interesting to play large games with company
> formations, superheavy tanks, Squiggoths and Titans. But I think that
> in order to save store and basement space, allow games to be played on
> reasonably-sized tables and allow players to afford the components,
> they should try doing it in a smaller scale. I've got it! They could
> make all these models in 6mm. That sounds like a great game.
>
> Phil
>

Funnily enough I have been thinking all the way through, I would rather
adapt the latest version of Epic for use with the 40k figures than the new
book, where with all the outsized templates and weapons etc I have a feeling
that screaming Waaaaaaaaaah is compulsory for any of the no save weapons,
otherwise they will automiss.
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