What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ?

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:13:41 +1100, Nostromo <nospam.DeleteThis@forme.org>
blabbed:

>Of course I can. If you want to tow the bullshit relativist line, then sure,
>any game is a 10/10 or a 1/1 depending on who you ask

10/10 is the same score as 1/1 anyways, regardless of who you
ask. Duh!

Just bein' pedantic. I know you meant 1/10. (at least I hope
you did).

Leo
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

Nostromo wrote:
> Thus spake "Morgan" <Nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com>, Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:02:10
> GMT, Anno Domini:
>
>> Nostromo wrote:
>>
>>> I'd agree, even though I played less MW than Ob overall. Let me
>>> explain: Ob I played to spite some ppl here
>>
>> Bloody hell. How empty is your life? I've just redefined my
>> definition of sad. You invested 26 hours of your free time, doing
>> something that as far as I can tell you despised, to spite people
>> you've never even met?
>

> The spite was an added bonus

Now that not whnat you said befoer now is it?

"Ob I played to spite some ppl here."

>>> who decided a person
>>> couldn't have an informed opinion w/o having played a game
>>> themselves, no matter how much research or respected 3rd-party
>>> opinions/reviews they garnered.
>>
>> Er, I'd have thought anyone with a the smallest about of common
>> sense. Of course you can't produce a cohesive argument using third
>> party information stacked against first hand experience. It's like
>> saying that you know how
>
> Of course I can. If you want to tow the bullshit relativist line,
> then sure, any game is a 10/10 or a 1/1 depending on who you ask.
> What I had argued all along was that Oblivion was a poor crpg for
> mostly _objective_ reasons many others had already revealed (i.e.
> more or less of the same as MW). Same with WoW. Hang on, you were one
> of those zealot defenders/apologists of Ob from memory...am I right?

I think Oblivion is a good game. I think it's a good CRPG and I've had more
than my monies worth out of it. You may not like it but that's up to you.
I never understand what you take it so personally what other people have
differing options to your own.

>> to drive a car as well as an experienced driver because you've read
>> loads of other peoples accounts of how to do it.
>
> If I wanted to recommend a car, or make a decision about it's
> cost/value, power output, optional features, etc, etc, I would read a
> review first.

But if a load of people who had driven the car said that it handled badly
around bends, would you then say that they were wrong because the reviews
you'd read disagreed?

Any way I'm going to stop talking to you now because you'll only switch back
into your default Troll mode.
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

On Dec 30, 11:29 am, GSV Three Minds in a Can <G... RemoveThis @quik.clara.co.uk>
wrote:
> Bitstring
> <8b046316-9df9-4211-98b3-1932c691d... RemoveThis @e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> from the wonderful person Wolfing <wolfi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> said
>
> >On Dec 30, 5:54 am, Beladi Nasrallah <nasra... RemoveThis @inbox.com> wrote:
> >> Suppose I have money to spend for one game... which one to get ?
>
> >I haven't played The Witcher, but I loved Oblivion (gave it like a 96%
> >personal review heh). Definitely worth the money.
>
> I've played both and the Witcher is probably better (more fun),
> especially since the latest patch fixed a lot of the load speed issue.
> Oblivion has less bugs, but gets rather old by the end I thought.
> Actually I rate Morrowind better than Oblivion.
>
I liked Oblivion (and Morrowind and Daggerfall and Arena) because they
allowed me to play as a pure caster without any problems. I don't like
games where I have to wield some sort of weapon. That, and also the
ability to create my own spells, that will always win my vote. Oh,
and let's not forget the ability to play perfectly well in first
person view.

> Gothic 3 would be another contender, if it ever gets patched to where
> it'll run properly.
G1 and G2 were games I just couldn't get past the interface. I don't
even remember if I tried G3. Is that the game where as soon as you
start you have to save some little town from an invasion of orcs? If
so, I don't remember why but I played it for a few hours and
uninstalled it (or was this another game I'm talking about?)

> --
> GSV Three Minds in a Can
> 10,414 Km walked. 2,032 Km PROWs surveyed. 36.9% complete.
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

In article <lCZ5iXGnd8dHFAaV.TakeThisOut@from.is.invalid>, GSV.TakeThisOut@quik.clara.co.uk
says...
> Bitstring
> <8b046316-9df9-4211-98b3-1932c691d99d.TakeThisOut@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> from the wonderful person Wolfing <wolfing1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> said
> >On Dec 30, 5:54 am, Beladi Nasrallah <nasra....TakeThisOut@inbox.com> wrote:
> >> Suppose I have money to spend for one game... which one to get ?
> >
> >I haven't played The Witcher, but I loved Oblivion (gave it like a 96%
> >personal review heh). Definitely worth the money.
>
> I've played both and the Witcher is probably better (more fun),
> especially since the latest patch fixed a lot of the load speed issue.
> Oblivion has less bugs, but gets rather old by the end I thought.
> Actually I rate Morrowind better than Oblivion.

Me too, the bleak and sinister Vvardenfell has more atmosphere than the
pretty and prosperous (albeit occasionally demon-infested) Cyrodiil.

- Gerry Quinn
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:13:41 +1100, Nostromo <nospam.TakeThisOut@forme.org> wrote:

>Of course I can. If you want to tow the bullshit relativist line, then sure,
>any game is a 10/10 or a 1/1 depending on who you ask. What I had argued all
>along was that Oblivion was a poor crpg for mostly _objective_ reasons many
>others had already revealed (i.e. more or less of the same as MW).

You went into Oblivion knowing *full well* that it was a game engine
game. Both Morrowind and Daggerfall were the same kind of game. This
is the kind of game Bethesda makes. We all know you *don't like* this
kind of RPG. But for whatever reason, you spent your time playing a
game you would not like *from the outset*. And lo and behold, you did
not like it. And so naturally, you've concluded that you don't need to
play a game to have an opinion that is worth anything to anyone! Good
one Nos!

Now if you can manage to convince anyone from your post that having an
opinion about a game you did not play can actually be worth a damn,
then you are better with words then I am. Hell, I'm sure you are.
You've had more practice.
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:34:37 -0800 (PST), Wolfing <wolfing1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>G1 and G2 were games I just couldn't get past the interface. I don't
>even remember if I tried G3. Is that the game where as soon as you
>start you have to save some little town from an invasion of orcs? If
>so, I don't remember why but I played it for a few hours and
>uninstalled it (or was this another game I'm talking about?)

Yes, that's Gothic 3 but I can't imagine playing it without playing the
earlier games first.
--
Michael Cecil
http://macecil.googlepages.com/index.htm
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

Thus spake Leo <Anonymous DeleteThis @anonymous.com>, Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:37:49 -0800,
Anno Domini:

>On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:13:41 +1100, Nostromo <nospam DeleteThis @forme.org>
>blabbed:
>
>>Of course I can. If you want to tow the bullshit relativist line, then sure,
>>any game is a 10/10 or a 1/1 depending on who you ask
>
> 10/10 is the same score as 1/1 anyways, regardless of who you
>ask. Duh!
>
> Just bein' pedantic. I know you meant 1/10. (at least I hope
>you did).

Heh, heh, yeah, sure, that's it .

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Nostromo
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

Thus spake Leo <Anonymous RemoveThis @anonymous.com>, Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:39:55 -0800,
Anno Domini:

>On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:54:55 -0800 (PST), Beladi Nasrallah
><nasralla RemoveThis @inbox.com> blabbed:
>
>>Suppose I have money to spend for one game... which one to get ?
>
> Get more money.
>
> Leo

ROFLMAO! POTM!!! >8^D

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Nostromo
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:38:52 -0000, Gerry Quinn <gerryq RemoveThis @indigo.ie>
wrote:

>In article <lCZ5iXGnd8dHFAaV RemoveThis @from.is.invalid>, GSV RemoveThis @quik.clara.co.uk
>says...
>> Actually I rate Morrowind better than Oblivion.
>
>Me too, the bleak and sinister Vvardenfell has more atmosphere than the
>pretty and prosperous (albeit occasionally demon-infested) Cyrodiil.

Ditto. The artwork has so much more atmosphere. On my Oblivion spec
machine the boulders are now angular but I don't care!
Its easier to suspend belief if it doesn't try to be "realistic"?
Finished neither, will probably play both again, Morrowind the most.
Secondary combat spellcasting is much more practical in Oblivion.
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

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from the wonderful person Wolfing <wolfing1 RemoveThis @gmail.com> said
>On Dec 30, 11:29 am, GSV Three Minds in a Can <G... RemoveThis @quik.clara.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> Bitstring
>> <8b046316-9df9-4211-98b3-1932c691d... RemoveThis @e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> from the wonderful person Wolfing <wolfi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> said
>>
>> >On Dec 30, 5:54 am, Beladi Nasrallah <nasra... RemoveThis @inbox.com> wrote:
>> >> Suppose I have money to spend for one game... which one to get ?
>>
>> >I haven't played The Witcher, but I loved Oblivion (gave it like a 96%
>> >personal review heh). Definitely worth the money.
>>
>> I've played both and the Witcher is probably better (more fun),
>> especially since the latest patch fixed a lot of the load speed issue.
>> Oblivion has less bugs, but gets rather old by the end I thought.
>> Actually I rate Morrowind better than Oblivion.
>>
>I liked Oblivion (and Morrowind and Daggerfall and Arena) because they
>allowed me to play as a pure caster without any problems. I don't like
>games where I have to wield some sort of weapon. That, and also the
>ability to create my own spells, that will always win my vote. Oh,
>and let's not forget the ability to play perfectly well in first
>person view.

You wouldn't like The Witcher then, since you definitely need weapon
skills. You can play 'mostly' mage / alchemist, but not until well into
the game.

>> Gothic 3 would be another contender, if it ever gets patched to where
>> it'll run properly.

>G1 and G2 were games I just couldn't get past the interface. I don't
>even remember if I tried G3. Is that the game where as soon as you
>start you have to save some little town from an invasion of orcs? If
>so, I don't remember why but I played it for a few hours and
>uninstalled it (or was this another game I'm talking about?)

Yep that sounds like it was probably G3.

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GSV Three Minds in a Can
10,414 Km walked. 2,032 Km PROWs surveyed. 36.9% complete.
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

Thus spake Mike S. <mike.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com>, Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:12:00 GMT, Anno
Domini:

>On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:13:41 +1100, Nostromo <nospam.TakeThisOut@forme.org> wrote:
>
>>Of course I can. If you want to tow the bullshit relativist line, then sure,
>>any game is a 10/10 or a 1/1 depending on who you ask. What I had argued all
>>along was that Oblivion was a poor crpg for mostly _objective_ reasons many
>>others had already revealed (i.e. more or less of the same as MW).
>
>You went into Oblivion knowing *full well* that it was a game engine
>game. Both Morrowind and Daggerfall were the same kind of game. This
>is the kind of game Bethesda makes. We all know you *don't like* this
>kind of RPG. But for whatever reason, you spent your time playing a
>game you would not like *from the outset*. And lo and behold, you did
>not like it. And so naturally, you've concluded that you don't need to
>play a game to have an opinion that is worth anything to anyone! Good
>one Nos!

Nice spin & sophistry Mike!

>Now if you can manage to convince anyone from your post that having an
>opinion about a game you did not play can actually be worth a damn,
>then you are better with words then I am. Hell, I'm sure you are.
>You've had more practice.

Some of the best critics are hypocrits - they don't play the games/sports,
they aren't actors or singers, etc. My point was merely that I could have a
meta-opinion from compiling many others' reviews/opinions etc. After all,
every game we don't play based on other ppl's opinions is exactly the same
thing I had done, except I dared to verbalise & defend it. How dare I?

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Nostromo
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

Thus spake "Morgan" <Nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com>, Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:38:55 GMT, Anno
Domini:

>Nostromo wrote:
>> Thus spake "Morgan" <Nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com>, Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:02:10
>> GMT, Anno Domini:
>>
>>> Nostromo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd agree, even though I played less MW than Ob overall. Let me
>>>> explain: Ob I played to spite some ppl here
>>>
>>> Bloody hell. How empty is your life? I've just redefined my
>>> definition of sad. You invested 26 hours of your free time, doing
>>> something that as far as I can tell you despised, to spite people
>>> you've never even met?
>>
>
>> The spite was an added bonus
>
>Now that not whnat you said befoer now is it?
>
>"Ob I played to spite some ppl here."

And that in your one-track mind implies that's the ONLY reason I played it?
Nice logic Einstein.

>>>> who decided a person
>>>> couldn't have an informed opinion w/o having played a game
>>>> themselves, no matter how much research or respected 3rd-party
>>>> opinions/reviews they garnered.
>>>
>>> Er, I'd have thought anyone with a the smallest about of common
>>> sense. Of course you can't produce a cohesive argument using third
>>> party information stacked against first hand experience. It's like
>>> saying that you know how
>>
>> Of course I can. If you want to tow the bullshit relativist line,
>> then sure, any game is a 10/10 or a 1/1 depending on who you ask.
>> What I had argued all along was that Oblivion was a poor crpg for
>> mostly _objective_ reasons many others had already revealed (i.e.
>> more or less of the same as MW). Same with WoW. Hang on, you were one
>> of those zealot defenders/apologists of Ob from memory...am I right?
>
>I think Oblivion is a good game. I think it's a good CRPG and I've had more
>than my monies worth out of it. You may not like it but that's up to you.
>I never understand what you take it so personally what other people have
>differing options to your own.

Because they don't listen to objective reason or common sense? So much so I
decided "WTF?" & to have a crack at a game I already knew was deficient in
many ways, ways the fanboys refused to acknowledge, like the 2 wise monkeys
(the mouth always a yappin!). I don't begrudge you the enjoyment of Ob or
any other game. I don't really care. I played it more to prove to _myself_
how right I had been. The spite was an added bonus, one you would realise
from the post history I never even bothered to rub in. It just wasn't worth
it, the fanboys weren't worth my scorn or my time & live & let live! If you
enjoy playing Undermountain or POR2, more power to ya, but don't come here
telling us it's the greatest crpg of all time, or there WILL be ppl like
myself setting you straight! As you should know by now Morgy, I'm not a
relativist by any stretch & couldn't give a flying what other ppl think! I
just don't like hippies telling me everyone's opinion is valid or perception
is the truth, mkay? ;-p

>>> to drive a car as well as an experienced driver because you've read
>>> loads of other peoples accounts of how to do it.
>>
>> If I wanted to recommend a car, or make a decision about it's
>> cost/value, power output, optional features, etc, etc, I would read a
>> review first.
>
>But if a load of people who had driven the car said that it handled badly
>around bends, would you then say that they were wrong because the reviews
>you'd read disagreed?

The reviews in question were from several reputable professional
reviewers/sites I trust to a large degree, as well as many, many firsthand
accounts both here & on several forums. Plus a lot of reading between the
lines. If you think all of the ppl are right all of the time, or all of the
ppl can be wrong all of the time, then we have no common ground really.

>Any way I'm going to stop talking to you now because you'll only switch back
>into your default Troll mode.

Nice attempt at a preemptive strike, trollboy ;-p

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Nostromo
 >> Stay informed about: What is better, Oblivion or The Witcher ? 

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:59:31 +1100, Nostromo <nospam.RemoveThis@forme.org> wrote:

>Nice spin & sophistry Mike!

I was actually accusing you of exactly the same, but there is
something to be said for using the direct approach.

>Some of the best critics are hypocrits - they don't play the games/sports,
>they aren't actors or singers, etc.

I expect the critic to watch the movie, read the book or play the game
before offering his opinion about how great or bad that movie, book or
game is. He does not have to be a director, an author, or a game
designer. For me, being a layman, it is probably better that he or she
isn't any of those things anyway.
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