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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:33 pm
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:51:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
<dbateman DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 4, 8:55 am, Sin Your Gone Salad
><hec... DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>
>> <dbate... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>
>> If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>> up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>
> Yes, that's why I said "in a D&D world." Dark Messiah is on rails,
>which should completely remove it from the same category as Oblivion.
It's true that it's on rails but not as much so as HL2. When you said
in a "D&D world", it gave the impression (to me anyway) that you were
referring only to the theme of the game. I would say Dark Messiah is
more of a half-way point between a rails shooter like HL2 and Oblivion
than being closer to HL2. Oblivion does have an open world and is
much closer to a true RPG, but some RPG purists complained it was too
much of a hack-n-slash with the combat, and that the adaptive
difficulty (making it easier at lower levels) took away the essence of
what an RPG is.
Either way, I'm not really an RPG purist myself, but the 3 games the
OP asked about are probably 3 of my all time favorites, so I got the
impression his likes/dislikes would be similar, and if that's the case
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:24 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:08:14 -0500, Terry <kilowatt.TakeThisOut@charter.net>
wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:55:53 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
><hector.TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>><dbateman.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>><hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:27:16 GMT, "Sleepy" <nos....TakeThisOut@here.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Terry" <kilow....TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:vgfcq3hmncpg400dcrg4e13t46t7j9jch0@4ax.com...
>>>> >> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>> >> <hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:04:24 -0800 (PST), Terry <kilow....TakeThisOut@charter.net>
>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>>Could someone suggest some more titles for games of this type please?
>>>>
>>>> >>>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>>>>
>>>> >> I coudn't even get the demo to install on my machine when it first
>>>> >> came out.
>>>>
>>>> >> Maybe I will give it another try.
>>>>
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> >Dark Messiah is more of combat game with RPG elements - not *really* like
>>>> >the three
>>>> >you mentioned. More fitting might be 'Gothic III' and 'Two Worlds' though I
>>>> >advise picking them up
>>>> >for a £10 each and no more as neither has the quality of Oblivion. Of course
>>>> >the 'Shivering Isles'
>>>> >expansion for Oblivion is a must.
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't Dark Messiah made by the same folks that created Arx Fatalis? I
>>>> think pretty much all the games he mentioned are more on the side of
>>>> combat first, RPG second, so in that light Dark Messiah was the
>>>> closest one I could think of.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried Gothic but I probably will.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>
>>If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>
>
>Dark Messiah still didn't work on my machine.
Well that's unfortunate.. but it currently can be had for $15-20, and
it's unlikely to get more expensive, so maybe if you upgrade your PC
you can try again.
It may also be that they never patched the demo and that you would
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:24 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:33:45 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
<hector.DeleteThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:51:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
><dbateman.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 4, 8:55 am, Sin Your Gone Salad
>><hec....DeleteThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>
>>> <dbate....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>
>>> If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>> up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>
>> Yes, that's why I said "in a D&D world." Dark Messiah is on rails,
>>which should completely remove it from the same category as Oblivion.
>
>It's true that it's on rails but not as much so as HL2. When you said
>in a "D&D world", it gave the impression (to me anyway) that you were
>referring only to the theme of the game. I would say Dark Messiah is
>more of a half-way point between a rails shooter like HL2 and Oblivion
>than being closer to HL2. Oblivion does have an open world and is
>much closer to a true RPG, but some RPG purists complained it was too
>much of a hack-n-slash with the combat, and that the adaptive
>difficulty (making it easier at lower levels) took away the essence of
>what an RPG is.
>
>Either way, I'm not really an RPG purist myself, but the 3 games the
>OP asked about are probably 3 of my all time favorites, so I got the
>impression his likes/dislikes would be similar, and if that's the case
>he would love Dark Messiah.
I loved Oblivion. One thing that I hated, but not enough to stop
playing the game was that when you level up the monsters leveled up.
It completely took away the need to build up your character.
It lacked the need for gold.
This made a game that was fun for all and I understand why the game
designers did it this way.
It would have been better had they allowed you to travel between towns
freely but made traveling off road and underground more hazardous.
Had they relied on leveling up to make your character stronger even an
unskilled player could complete the harder quests eventually, you
would just have to kill a lot more boars to do it. <southpark >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:27 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:33:45 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
<hector RemoveThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:51:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
><dbateman RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 4, 8:55 am, Sin Your Gone Salad
>><hec... RemoveThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>
>>> <dbate... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>
>>> If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>> up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>
>> Yes, that's why I said "in a D&D world." Dark Messiah is on rails,
>>which should completely remove it from the same category as Oblivion.
>
>It's true that it's on rails but not as much so as HL2. When you said
>in a "D&D world", it gave the impression (to me anyway) that you were
>referring only to the theme of the game. I would say Dark Messiah is
>more of a half-way point between a rails shooter like HL2 and Oblivion
>than being closer to HL2. Oblivion does have an open world and is
>much closer to a true RPG, but some RPG purists complained it was too
>much of a hack-n-slash with the combat, and that the adaptive
>difficulty (making it easier at lower levels) took away the essence of
>what an RPG is.
>
>Either way, I'm not really an RPG purist myself, but the 3 games the
>OP asked about are probably 3 of my all time favorites, so I got the
>impression his likes/dislikes would be similar, and if that's the case
>he would love Dark Messiah.
I think you might be right, but I can't get the demo to run on my
machine.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:27 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:08:14 -0500, Terry <kilowatt DeleteThis @charter.net>
wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:55:53 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
><hector DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>><dbateman DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>><hec... DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:27:16 GMT, "Sleepy" <nos... DeleteThis @here.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Terry" <kilow... DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:vgfcq3hmncpg400dcrg4e13t46t7j9jch0@4ax.com...
>>>> >> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>> >> <hec... DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:04:24 -0800 (PST), Terry <kilow... DeleteThis @charter.net>
>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>>>Could someone suggest some more titles for games of this type please?
>>>>
>>>> >>>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>>>>
>>>> >> I coudn't even get the demo to install on my machine when it first
>>>> >> came out.
>>>>
>>>> >> Maybe I will give it another try.
>>>>
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> >Dark Messiah is more of combat game with RPG elements - not *really* like
>>>> >the three
>>>> >you mentioned. More fitting might be 'Gothic III' and 'Two Worlds' though I
>>>> >advise picking them up
>>>> >for a £10 each and no more as neither has the quality of Oblivion. Of course
>>>> >the 'Shivering Isles'
>>>> >expansion for Oblivion is a must.
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't Dark Messiah made by the same folks that created Arx Fatalis? I
>>>> think pretty much all the games he mentioned are more on the side of
>>>> combat first, RPG second, so in that light Dark Messiah was the
>>>> closest one I could think of.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't tried Gothic but I probably will.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>
>>If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>
>
>Dark Messiah still didn't work on my machine.
A video in case you haven't seen the game... but keep in mind you can
be more of a mage, casting spells and such..
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:29 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:27:08 -0500, Terry <kilowatt.RemoveThis@charter.net>
wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:33:45 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
><hector.RemoveThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:51:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>><dbateman.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 4, 8:55 am, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>><hec....RemoveThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>>
>>>> <dbate....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>>
>>>> If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>>> up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's why I said "in a D&D world." Dark Messiah is on rails,
>>>which should completely remove it from the same category as Oblivion.
>>
>>It's true that it's on rails but not as much so as HL2. When you said
>>in a "D&D world", it gave the impression (to me anyway) that you were
>>referring only to the theme of the game. I would say Dark Messiah is
>>more of a half-way point between a rails shooter like HL2 and Oblivion
>>than being closer to HL2. Oblivion does have an open world and is
>>much closer to a true RPG, but some RPG purists complained it was too
>>much of a hack-n-slash with the combat, and that the adaptive
>>difficulty (making it easier at lower levels) took away the essence of
>>what an RPG is.
>>
>>Either way, I'm not really an RPG purist myself, but the 3 games the
>>OP asked about are probably 3 of my all time favorites, so I got the
>>impression his likes/dislikes would be similar, and if that's the case
>>he would love Dark Messiah.
>
>I think you might be right, but I can't get the demo to run on my
>machine.
>
>
Well, you won't get same kind of the satisfaction of gathering gold /
etc like in a regular RPG.. but there are some interesting twists,
like gathering blocks of certain types of metal, and taking them into
a blacksmiths shop, melting them down yourself, pouring the molten
metal into the mold, etc to make special swords.
Very well done. >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:29 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:29:14 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
<hector.TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:27:08 -0500, Terry <kilowatt.TakeThisOut@charter.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:33:45 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>><hector.TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:51:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>><dbateman.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Feb 4, 8:55 am, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>><hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>>>
>>>>> <dbate....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>>>> up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's why I said "in a D&D world." Dark Messiah is on rails,
>>>>which should completely remove it from the same category as Oblivion.
>>>
>>>It's true that it's on rails but not as much so as HL2. When you said
>>>in a "D&D world", it gave the impression (to me anyway) that you were
>>>referring only to the theme of the game. I would say Dark Messiah is
>>>more of a half-way point between a rails shooter like HL2 and Oblivion
>>>than being closer to HL2. Oblivion does have an open world and is
>>>much closer to a true RPG, but some RPG purists complained it was too
>>>much of a hack-n-slash with the combat, and that the adaptive
>>>difficulty (making it easier at lower levels) took away the essence of
>>>what an RPG is.
>>>
>>>Either way, I'm not really an RPG purist myself, but the 3 games the
>>>OP asked about are probably 3 of my all time favorites, so I got the
>>>impression his likes/dislikes would be similar, and if that's the case
>>>he would love Dark Messiah.
>>
>>I think you might be right, but I can't get the demo to run on my
>>machine.
>>
>>
>
>Well, you won't get same kind of the satisfaction of gathering gold /
>etc like in a regular RPG.. but there are some interesting twists,
>like gathering blocks of certain types of metal, and taking them into
>a blacksmiths shop, melting them down yourself, pouring the molten
>metal into the mold, etc to make special swords.
>
>Very well done.
Oh, and the demo would probably only show you the combat aspect of the
game as I recall, instead of some of the more RPG-like stuff. >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:03 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:24:51 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
<hector DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:08:14 -0500, Terry <kilowatt DeleteThis @charter.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:55:53 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>><hector DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>><dbateman DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>><hec... DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:27:16 GMT, "Sleepy" <nos... DeleteThis @here.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >"Terry" <kilow... DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >news:vgfcq3hmncpg400dcrg4e13t46t7j9jch0@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>>> >> <hec... DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:04:24 -0800 (PST), Terry <kilow... DeleteThis @charter.net>
>>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>Could someone suggest some more titles for games of this type please?
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> I coudn't even get the demo to install on my machine when it first
>>>>> >> came out.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Maybe I will give it another try.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> >Dark Messiah is more of combat game with RPG elements - not *really* like
>>>>> >the three
>>>>> >you mentioned. More fitting might be 'Gothic III' and 'Two Worlds' though I
>>>>> >advise picking them up
>>>>> >for a £10 each and no more as neither has the quality of Oblivion. Of course
>>>>> >the 'Shivering Isles'
>>>>> >expansion for Oblivion is a must.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't Dark Messiah made by the same folks that created Arx Fatalis? I
>>>>> think pretty much all the games he mentioned are more on the side of
>>>>> combat first, RPG second, so in that light Dark Messiah was the
>>>>> closest one I could think of.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't tried Gothic but I probably will.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>
>>>If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>>up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>
>>
>>Dark Messiah still didn't work on my machine.
>
>Well that's unfortunate.. but it currently can be had for $15-20, and
>it's unlikely to get more expensive, so maybe if you upgrade your PC
>you can try again.
>
>It may also be that they never patched the demo and that you would
>have luck with the retail version + patch.
Actually it is 10 bucks plus shipping at Amazon.com
I just ordered one.
I hope it will work.
I can give it to my nephew if it doesn't.
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:03:36 -0500, Terry <kilowatt.DeleteThis@charter.net>
wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:24:51 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
><hector.DeleteThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:08:14 -0500, Terry <kilowatt.DeleteThis@charter.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:55:53 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>><hector.DeleteThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>><dbateman.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>>><hec....DeleteThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:27:16 GMT, "Sleepy" <nos....DeleteThis@here.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >"Terry" <kilow....DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> >news:vgfcq3hmncpg400dcrg4e13t46t7j9jch0@4ax.com...
>>>>>> >> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>>>> >> <hec....DeleteThis@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:04:24 -0800 (PST), Terry <kilow....DeleteThis@charter.net>
>>>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>Could someone suggest some more titles for games of this type please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> I coudn't even get the demo to install on my machine when it first
>>>>>> >> came out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Maybe I will give it another try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Dark Messiah is more of combat game with RPG elements - not *really* like
>>>>>> >the three
>>>>>> >you mentioned. More fitting might be 'Gothic III' and 'Two Worlds' though I
>>>>>> >advise picking them up
>>>>>> >for a £10 each and no more as neither has the quality of Oblivion. Of course
>>>>>> >the 'Shivering Isles'
>>>>>> >expansion for Oblivion is a must.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wasn't Dark Messiah made by the same folks that created Arx Fatalis? I
>>>>>> think pretty much all the games he mentioned are more on the side of
>>>>>> combat first, RPG second, so in that light Dark Messiah was the
>>>>>> closest one I could think of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't tried Gothic but I probably will.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>>
>>>>If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>>>up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>>
>>>
>>>Dark Messiah still didn't work on my machine.
>>
>>Well that's unfortunate.. but it currently can be had for $15-20, and
>>it's unlikely to get more expensive, so maybe if you upgrade your PC
>>you can try again.
>>
>>It may also be that they never patched the demo and that you would
>>have luck with the retail version + patch.
>
>Actually it is 10 bucks plus shipping at Amazon.com
>
>I just ordered one.
>
>I hope it will work.
>
>I can give it to my nephew if it doesn't.
>
>I am pretty sure I have the hardware to run it.
Nice, ten bucks is a steal. Be sure your nephew gives it back if you
ever change or reconfigure your PC  the MP game is a blast,
although I swear it seems to have slightly higher requirements than
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:51 am
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On Feb 5, 11:03 am, Terry <kilow....TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:24:51 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
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>
>
>
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> <hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
> >On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:08:14 -0500, Terry <kilow....TakeThisOut@charter.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:55:53 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
> >><hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>
> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
> >>><dbate....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Sin Your Gone Salad
> >>>><hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:27:16 GMT, "Sleepy" <nos....TakeThisOut@here.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> >"Terry" <kilow....TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> >news:vgfcq3hmncpg400dcrg4e13t46t7j9jch0@4ax.com...
> >>>>> >> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
> >>>>> >> <hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:04:24 -0800 (PST), Terry <kilow....TakeThisOut@charter.net>
> >>>>> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>>> >>>>Could someone suggest some more titles for games of this type please?
>
> >>>>> >>>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>
> >>>>> >> I coudn't even get the demo to install on my machine when it first
> >>>>> >> came out.
>
> >>>>> >> Maybe I will give it another try.
>
> >>>>> >> Thanks
>
> >>>>> >Dark Messiah is more of combat game with RPG elements - not *really* like
> >>>>> >the three
> >>>>> >you mentioned. More fitting might be 'Gothic III' and 'Two Worlds' though I
> >>>>> >advise picking them up
> >>>>> >for a £10 each and no more as neither has the quality of Oblivion.. Of course
> >>>>> >the 'Shivering Isles'
> >>>>> >expansion for Oblivion is a must.
>
> >>>>> Wasn't Dark Messiah made by the same folks that created Arx Fatalis? I
> >>>>> think pretty much all the games he mentioned are more on the side of
> >>>>> combat first, RPG second, so in that light Dark Messiah was the
> >>>>> closest one I could think of.
>
> >>>>> I haven't tried Gothic but I probably will.
>
> >>>> Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>
> >>>If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
> >>>up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>
> >>Dark Messiah still didn't work on my machine.
>
> >Well that's unfortunate.. but it currently can be had for $15-20, and
> >it's unlikely to get more expensive, so maybe if you upgrade your PC
> >you can try again.
>
> >It may also be that they never patched the demo and that you would
> >have luck with the retail version + patch.
>
> Actually it is 10 bucks plus shipping at Amazon.com
>
> I just ordered one.
>
> I hope it will work.
>
> I can give it to my nephew if it doesn't.
>
> I am pretty sure I have the hardware to run it.-
I have listened to you guys praising the Dark Messiah, and have
recalled I also wanted it at some stage. So I went to eBay and bought
it for a similar sum of money. I am now awaiting it comin'. >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:57 am
Post subject: Re: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Feb 4, 7:24 pm, Terry <kilow....RemoveThis@charter.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:33:45 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
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> I loved Oblivion. One thing that I hated, but not enough to stop
> playing the game was that when you level up the monsters leveled up.
>
> It completely took away the need to build up your character.
>
> It lacked the need for gold.
>
It's too late for your game, but there are mods available that
mostly fix that problem. IIRC, one is called "No Obsolete Monsters"
and/or "No Obsolete Loot". I'm about level 9 right now and I can
really beat up on some wolves!  >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:21 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:03:36 -0500, Terry <kilowatt RemoveThis @charter.net>
wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:24:51 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
><hector RemoveThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:08:14 -0500, Terry <kilowatt RemoveThis @charter.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:55:53 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>><hector RemoveThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>><dbateman RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>>><hec... RemoveThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:27:16 GMT, "Sleepy" <nos... RemoveThis @here.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >"Terry" <kilow... RemoveThis @charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> >news:vgfcq3hmncpg400dcrg4e13t46t7j9jch0@4ax.com...
>>>>>> >> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>>>> >> <hec... RemoveThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:04:24 -0800 (PST), Terry <kilow... RemoveThis @charter.net>
>>>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>Could someone suggest some more titles for games of this type please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> I coudn't even get the demo to install on my machine when it first
>>>>>> >> came out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Maybe I will give it another try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Dark Messiah is more of combat game with RPG elements - not *really* like
>>>>>> >the three
>>>>>> >you mentioned. More fitting might be 'Gothic III' and 'Two Worlds' though I
>>>>>> >advise picking them up
>>>>>> >for a £10 each and no more as neither has the quality of Oblivion. Of course
>>>>>> >the 'Shivering Isles'
>>>>>> >expansion for Oblivion is a must.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wasn't Dark Messiah made by the same folks that created Arx Fatalis? I
>>>>>> think pretty much all the games he mentioned are more on the side of
>>>>>> combat first, RPG second, so in that light Dark Messiah was the
>>>>>> closest one I could think of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't tried Gothic but I probably will.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>>
>>>>If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>>>up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>>
>>>
>>>Dark Messiah still didn't work on my machine.
>>
>>Well that's unfortunate.. but it currently can be had for $15-20, and
>>it's unlikely to get more expensive, so maybe if you upgrade your PC
>>you can try again.
>>
>>It may also be that they never patched the demo and that you would
>>have luck with the retail version + patch.
>
>Actually it is 10 bucks plus shipping at Amazon.com
>
>I just ordered one.
>
>I hope it will work.
>
>I can give it to my nephew if it doesn't.
>
>I am pretty sure I have the hardware to run it.
It's great fun - combat heavy, but the engine makes it a joy. You
never get tired setting orcs on fire, or kicking them off ledges. >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:25 pm
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On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:29:14 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
<hector.TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:27:08 -0500, Terry <kilowatt.TakeThisOut@charter.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:33:45 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>><hector.TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
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>>>On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:51:20 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>><dbateman.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Feb 4, 8:55 am, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>><hec....TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>>>
>>>>> <dbate....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>>>> up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's why I said "in a D&D world." Dark Messiah is on rails,
>>>>which should completely remove it from the same category as Oblivion.
>>>
>>>It's true that it's on rails but not as much so as HL2. When you said
>>>in a "D&D world", it gave the impression (to me anyway) that you were
>>>referring only to the theme of the game. I would say Dark Messiah is
>>>more of a half-way point between a rails shooter like HL2 and Oblivion
>>>than being closer to HL2. Oblivion does have an open world and is
>>>much closer to a true RPG, but some RPG purists complained it was too
>>>much of a hack-n-slash with the combat, and that the adaptive
>>>difficulty (making it easier at lower levels) took away the essence of
>>>what an RPG is.
>>>
>>>Either way, I'm not really an RPG purist myself, but the 3 games the
>>>OP asked about are probably 3 of my all time favorites, so I got the
>>>impression his likes/dislikes would be similar, and if that's the case
>>>he would love Dark Messiah.
>>
>>I think you might be right, but I can't get the demo to run on my
>>machine.
>>
>>
>
>Well, you won't get same kind of the satisfaction of gathering gold /
>etc like in a regular RPG.. but there are some interesting twists,
>like gathering blocks of certain types of metal, and taking them into
>a blacksmiths shop, melting them down yourself, pouring the molten
>metal into the mold, etc to make special swords.
>
>Very well done.
And exploring is rewarded, with some nice armour and weapons in
hard-to-get-to places - and secret stashes, too. >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:24 pm
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:21:27 +0000, Mark Morrison <blank DeleteThis @aol.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:03:36 -0500, Terry <kilowatt DeleteThis @charter.net>
>wrote:
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>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:24:51 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>><hector DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:08:14 -0500, Terry <kilowatt DeleteThis @charter.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:55:53 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>><hector DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:15:36 -0800 (PST), "Mr. Stabby"
>>>>><dbateman DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Feb 3, 5:29 pm, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>>>><hec... DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:27:16 GMT, "Sleepy" <nos... DeleteThis @here.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >"Terry" <kilow... DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> >news:vgfcq3hmncpg400dcrg4e13t46t7j9jch0@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> >> On Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:15:15 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
>>>>>>> >> <hec... DeleteThis @freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:04:24 -0800 (PST), Terry <kilow... DeleteThis @charter.net>
>>>>>>> >>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>>Could someone suggest some more titles for games of this type please?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>>Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> I coudn't even get the demo to install on my machine when it first
>>>>>>> >> came out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> Maybe I will give it another try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Dark Messiah is more of combat game with RPG elements - not *really* like
>>>>>>> >the three
>>>>>>> >you mentioned. More fitting might be 'Gothic III' and 'Two Worlds' though I
>>>>>>> >advise picking them up
>>>>>>> >for a £10 each and no more as neither has the quality of Oblivion. Of course
>>>>>>> >the 'Shivering Isles'
>>>>>>> >expansion for Oblivion is a must.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wasn't Dark Messiah made by the same folks that created Arx Fatalis? I
>>>>>>> think pretty much all the games he mentioned are more on the side of
>>>>>>> combat first, RPG second, so in that light Dark Messiah was the
>>>>>>> closest one I could think of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I haven't tried Gothic but I probably will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dark Messiah is Half Life 2 in a D&D world.
>>>>>
>>>>>If Half Life 2 had player classes, spells, experience points, leveling
>>>>>up and so forth, yes that would be true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dark Messiah still didn't work on my machine.
>>>
>>>Well that's unfortunate.. but it currently can be had for $15-20, and
>>>it's unlikely to get more expensive, so maybe if you upgrade your PC
>>>you can try again.
>>>
>>>It may also be that they never patched the demo and that you would
>>>have luck with the retail version + patch.
>>
>>Actually it is 10 bucks plus shipping at Amazon.com
>>
>>I just ordered one.
>>
>>I hope it will work.
>>
>>I can give it to my nephew if it doesn't.
>>
>>I am pretty sure I have the hardware to run it.
>
>It's great fun - combat heavy, but the engine makes it a joy. You
>never get tired setting orcs on fire, or kicking them off ledges.
Don't forget backing up a ledge to bait certain types of "lunging"
enemies, only to time their lunge, side strafe out of the way and
watch them go flying off the cliff without any intervention on your
part! >> Stay informed about: Oblivion , Arx Fatalis, Ultima Underworld. |
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:48 pm
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:24:57 -0500, Sin Your Gone Salad
<hector.TakeThisOut@freetacosforeveryone.org> wrote:
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>Don't forget backing up a ledge to bait certain types of "lunging"
>enemies, only to time their lunge, side strafe out of the way and
>watch them go flying off the cliff without any intervention on your
>part!
I'm currently replaying it, with more points into the spells (last
time I was an almost pure stealth/combat mix).
It's fun to wait while an enemy charges you, then ice the floor when
he gets close. He sldes, stops right in front of you, just in time to
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