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(Msg. 46) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:23 am
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 11:57:10 -0700, Eric Schwartz wrote:
> Perhaps the system was not designed for quick gratification, but for
> portability. I know, it's a stretch to consider a portable gaming
> system to be designed around that idea, but work with me here. Just
> because portable games, in the past, have been designed around the
> type of gaming that you prefer on them doesn't mean that it's an
> inherent limitation of the platform; it simply means that there's been
> a convention in the past. FF3, and now DQ9, are changing that.
This brings up something I (with my extraordinarily limited knowledge of
contemporary console gaming) have been thinking about for a while. It
seems (maybe) that increasingly what you might call "old-school" gamers
are moving towards portable systems - the various FF games on the Advance
and DS would be an example of this. Is this true (like I say, I pay very
little attention to what happens in the world of console games these days,
so I could just be hallucinating)? If so, given that there seems to be a
division of labor between the DQ and FF games (DQ for people who want more
of the same type of game, FF for people who want the shiny new stuff), I
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:34 am
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"sanjian" <sanjian.RemoveThis@widomaker.com> wrote:
> Rob Browning wrote:
>> Part of the problem is that for a Dragon Quest game to be programmed
>> so it will work well on the DS, it would have to be significantly
>> different from other Dragon Quest games. You shouldn't make dramatic
>> changes to a numbered series, especially when it's one that has been
>> notably anti-evolution like DQ has.
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> You mean like DQ 7 and preceeding, all of which were on systems
> inferior to the DS, except for 7, which was on par?
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> The only difference between having it on the DS and on the PS3 is it
> won't be as pretty.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that after eight single-player,
turn-based Dragon Quests, they're switching to "an action-oriented
battle system playable cooperatively by up to four players" at the
same time as the series moves to a handheld system.
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:50 am
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In article <pan.2006.12.16.09.23.22.838558 RemoveThis @gmail.com>,
I V <wrongbad RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> This brings up something I (with my extraordinarily limited knowledge of
> contemporary console gaming) have been thinking about for a while. It
> seems (maybe) that increasingly what you might call "old-school" gamers
> are moving towards portable systems - the various FF games on the Advance
Now all they need is a "large print" version for the over-50 crowd.
Maybe they could call it the "DS Hevy", with a screen that's at least
50% larger (by dimension, not area) and an video-out plug (S-video or
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:37 am
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RelMark wrote:
> "sanjian" <sanjian.TakeThisOut@widomaker.com> wrote:
>> Rob Browning wrote:
>>> Part of the problem is that for a Dragon Quest game to be programmed
>>> so it will work well on the DS, it would have to be significantly
>>> different from other Dragon Quest games. You shouldn't make
>>> dramatic changes to a numbered series, especially when it's one
>>> that has been notably anti-evolution like DQ has.
>>
>> You mean like DQ 7 and preceeding, all of which were on systems
>> inferior to the DS, except for 7, which was on par?
>>
>> The only difference between having it on the DS and on the PS3 is it
>> won't be as pretty.
>
> I'm sure it's just a coincidence that after eight single-player,
> turn-based Dragon Quests, they're switching to "an action-oriented
> battle system playable cooperatively by up to four players" at the
> same time as the series moves to a handheld system.
Could they not do that on the PS3? Is there something about the DS that
forces that? Is there ANYTHING to actually tie your conspiracy theory to
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:59 am
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"Mike Swaim" <mpswaim.DeleteThis@mdanderson.org> wrote in message
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> Rob Browning wrote:
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>> Portables were meant to be played when circumstances keep people from
>> playing with larger, more powerful devices. Because of this, portable
>> games are supposed to be quick to play and enjoy during the time you
>> spend on the subway or a ten-minute coffee break. This recent trend
>> of making games for portables which don't fit with this philosophy
>> annoys the hell out of me.
>
> One of the nice things about my PSP is that I can shut it off in the
> middle of a game, and when I start it up, play resumes at that point.
> It's saved me a couple of times when the battery died in the middle of
> a level of Valkyrie: Lenneth.
I find that hard to believe when the battery lasts upwards of a mighty
3 hours, 3 HOURS!
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:12 am
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"Rob Browning" <pluvius3.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 14 Dec 2006 15:58:44 -0800, "Astrobiochemist" <CCSBeyond.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Part of the problem is that for a Dragon Quest game to be programmed
> so it will work well on the DS, it would have to be significantly
> different from other Dragon Quest games. You shouldn't make dramatic
> changes to a numbered series, especially when it's one that has been
> notably anti-evolution like DQ has.
There already is DQ Rocket Slim on the DS!
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:13 am
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"sanjian" <sanjian.TakeThisOut@widomaker.com> wrote in message
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> Rob Browning wrote:
>> On 14 Dec 2006 15:58:44 -0800, "Astrobiochemist" <CCSBeyond.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
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> You mean like DQ 7 and preceeding, all of which were on systems inferior
> to the DS, except for 7, which was on par?
>
> The only difference between having it on the DS and on the PS3 is it won't
> be as pretty.
And they can make more money and sell more copies w/ it on the DS!
It is all aboot the bottom line, BOTTOM LINE!
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:18 am
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"AirRaid" <AirRaid1500.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> sanjian wrote:
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> If PS3 gets DQ10, then its a tie between Nintendo and Sony, each
> getting one main DQ game. however if DQ10 comes out on Wii instead of
> PS3, then Nintendo has won Japan without any doubt. The sales of DQ9
> and DQ10 on Nintendo systems will eclipse all the Final Fantasy games
> on PS3 (FF13, FFvs13, a potential FF7 remake, FF14 etc).
There is NO FF7 remake! The E3 trailer used the same engine as
Advent Children.
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:26 am
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"Rob Browning" <pluvius3 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 14 Dec 2006 16:08:37 -0800, "AirRaid" <AirRaid1500 DeleteThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>If PS3 gets DQ10, then its a tie between Nintendo and Sony, each
>>getting one main DQ game. however if DQ10 comes out on Wii instead of
>
> No, I think Sony would win in that case. Never mind the fact that
> FF13 is coming out on the PS3; DQ9 being on the DS isn't nearly as
> much of a coup for Nintendo as DQ9 being on the Wii would have been.
> The DS doesn't need the help.
The Wii dosen't need the help either. Wii is going to get Super Smash
Brothers
Brawl and other huge Nintendo exclusive games in 2007, 360 is going to get
Halo 3
in 2007, and PS3 is going to get FFXIII in a few years. It would not
surprise me
to see FFXIII go multiplatform. $600 can buy a PS3, but $600 can also buy a
360
and a Wii.
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:06 pm
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"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <kuraebakayarou.lurkerdrome.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net>
writes:
> You've completely and utterly failed to satisfactorily answer the question
> put to you. You are being asked what "authority" you have to dictate which
> game belongs on which system. None of the above statements qualifies you as
> an "authority" on ANYTHING.
>
> Your opinion is precisely and ONLY that: YOUR OPINION.
It helps to read Rob's posts in a Comic Book Guy voice...
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(Msg. 56) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:17 pm
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Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <em0sv50c40 RemoveThis @news4.newsguy.com>, sanjian
> <sanjian RemoveThis @widomaker.com> wrote:
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>> RelMark wrote:
>>> "sanjian" <sanjian RemoveThis @widomaker.com> wrote:
>>>> Rob Browning wrote:
>>>>> Part of the problem is that for a Dragon Quest game to be
>>>>> programmed so it will work well on the DS, it would have to be
>>>>> significantly different from other Dragon Quest games. You
>>>>> shouldn't make dramatic changes to a numbered series, especially
>>>>> when it's one that has been notably anti-evolution like DQ has.
>>>>
>>>> You mean like DQ 7 and preceeding, all of which were on systems
>>>> inferior to the DS, except for 7, which was on par?
>>>>
>>>> The only difference between having it on the DS and on the PS3 is
>>>> it won't be as pretty.
>>>
>>> I'm sure it's just a coincidence that after eight single-player,
>>> turn-based Dragon Quests, they're switching to "an action-oriented
>>> battle system playable cooperatively by up to four players" at the
>>> same time as the series moves to a handheld system.
>>
>> Could they not do that on the PS3?
>
> Depends. If the four players can go off on their own a bit, and don't
> have to all stay in the same screen, that's easier to do well if each
> player in fact has their own individual screen.
I'm assuming the PS3 also has online capablilites. The point is that it's
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(Msg. 57) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:19 pm
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Rob Browning wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:44:42 GMT, "The Eternal Lost Lurker"
> <kuraebakayarou.lurkerdrome.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> "Rob Browning" <pluvius3.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> No, it sucks when people put games I want to play on systems
>>>>>>> that they don't belong on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And how do we know what BELONGS on which system?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I already mentioned that.
>>>>
>>>> And your authority is derived from?
>>>
>>> The differences between the portable and console markets? The
>>> differences between portables and consoles themselves? Or maybe
>>> just common sense? Take your pick.
>>
>> You've completely and utterly failed to satisfactorily answer the
>> question put to you. You are being asked what "authority" you have
>> to dictate which game belongs on which system. None of the above
>> statements qualifies you as an "authority" on ANYTHING.
>
> No, but certainly the well-known differences between portables and
> consoles are authoritative. They are not just my opinion.
There are also differences between the PS2 and the Gamecube. Does that mean
that games that belong on the PS2 don't belong on the GameCube. You have
failed to explain why those differences are SIGNIFICANT in the scope of this
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(Msg. 58) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:24 pm
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Rob Browning wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:09:45 -0500, "sanjian" <sanjian.DeleteThis@widomaker.com>
> wrote:
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>> Rob Browning wrote:
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>>> Part of the problem is that for a Dragon Quest game to be programmed
>>> so it will work well on the DS, it would have to be significantly
>>> different from other Dragon Quest games. You shouldn't make
>>> dramatic changes to a numbered series, especially when it's one
>>> that has been notably anti-evolution like DQ has.
>>
>> You mean like DQ 7 and preceeding, all of which were on systems
>> inferior to the DS, except for 7, which was on par?
>
> What do you mean? I'm not talking about the graphics here; those are
> of minor importance and only mentioned to further describe Squenix's
> inconsistency in recent years.
Then you've really got no point.
>> The only difference between having it on the DS and on the PS3 is it
>> won't be as pretty.
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> And it will be on a portable. That itself either means that it will
> be unsuitable for the system or it will be changed to be made suitable
> for the system. Reports make it sound like the latter will be true.
You keep throwing around the term unsuitable as if it has any meaning. The
fact that it has a battery instead of being slave to the nearest electrical
outlet doesn't make it unsuitable. There is NOTHING, other than the size of
the screen, that a "full" gaming system brings to the table, that is not
also present on a portable of equal power. So anything that's suitable for
a full-sized system, that won't suffer from the smaller screen, is suitable
on the portable. The portable only has the added advantage of, well,
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:26 pm
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Rob Browning wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:04:41 -0500, "sanjian" <sanjian DeleteThis @widomaker.com>
> wrote:
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>> There is nothing about a portable gaming system that even remotely
>> suggests that it cannot be a system for serious games. The GBA is
>> at least as
>
> I think you're the only one talking about whether or not portable
> systems can have serious games on them. What I'm talking about is how
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Because, other than that, I
really can't see anything meaningful in your argument.
> suited they are to traditional console RPGs and other games that
> require large amounts of time and effort to accomplish anything in.
Is there some sort of federal law against putting in large amounts of time
and effort on a portable game?
>> Other than the size of the system, and the addition of a battery,
>> there is no differene between these classics on their original
>> platform, and on the portable - except that some of them have been
>> updated to become more modern.
>
> Yes, and that makes them unsuited to the system. You can still enjoy
> them, but only because you're willing to handwave the many
> disadvantages that portables place upon them.
WHAT disadvatages? And no, you can't say "it's unsuited" as a disadvantage,
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(Msg. 60) Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:29 pm
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Rob Browning wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 09:13:42 GMT, "Ethan Hammond"
> <eshammond DeleteThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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>> "sanjian" <sanjian DeleteThis @widomaker.com> wrote in message
>> news:elvo5b01na8@news3.newsguy.com...
>>> Rob Browning wrote:
>>>> On 14 Dec 2006 15:58:44 -0800, "Astrobiochemist"
>>>> <CCSBeyond DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You mean like DQ 7 and preceeding, all of which were on systems
>>> inferior to the DS, except for 7, which was on par?
>>>
>>> The only difference between having it on the DS and on the PS3 is
>>> it won't be as pretty.
>>
>> And they can make more money and sell more copies w/ it on the DS!
>
> They might do that. I still think it's an open question whether or
> not they will, as compared to what they could've done--released the DS
> game as a spinoff and then a couple of years later put DQ9 on one of
> the next-gen consoles. There's no rule saying that DQ9 has to be out
> next year; we just had DQ8 last year.
Didn't you say they were only in it for the money (though not why that's a
bad thing)? If they are, then some of their marketing gurus have figured
out that they stand to make the most money this way. And, while I think SE
has been lacking heart and soul, as of late, I can't say anything bad about
their bean counters (I mean, we're not talking Sega, here). If SE thinks
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