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Since: Sep 26, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:34 am
Post subject: Nerf to hurricane
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In order to quiet the riots of people doing PvP (the 20 or so of them),
a nerf is up for all storm controllers or defenders. Hurricane now
will tick like 1/4th of the time it does now, meaning if you used the
power to keep melee attacks away, that won't work anymore (I normally
used it when enemies were melee oriented like freakshows). It takes
1/4th the endurance it used to as it eats endurance each tick, so less
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Nerf to hurricane [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Wolfing" <wolfing1.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In order to quiet the riots of people doing PvP (the 20 or so of them),
> a nerf is up for all storm controllers or defenders. Hurricane now
> will tick like 1/4th of the time it does now, meaning if you used the
> power to keep melee attacks away, that won't work anymore (I normally
> used it when enemies were melee oriented like freakshows). It takes
> 1/4th the endurance it used to as it eats endurance each tick, so less
> ticks -> less endurance.
I'm not sure I understood what you wrote.
I think it's this:
Hurricane will tic at 1/4 the speed it used to, which would, say, enable a
stalker to slip in and do his backstab attack before the repulsion or
accuracy debuff effects take hold.
Endurance cost per tic is unchanged therefore the end cost drops to 1/4 of
what it was before.
Do I have it right? It's kinda important as my second highest character is
a storm defender. Combined with the changes to acc debuffs, it's a big
deal. Is thia PvP thing or a change to the power in both PvP and PvE?
--
John Trauger,
Vorlonagent
"Methane martini.
Shaken, not stirred."
Vorlonagent (M), level 37 Blaster (Electric/Energy), Guardian
RolIing Thunder (F), Level 36 Defender (Storm/Electric), Infinity
Lemon Tree (F), Level 32 Scrapper (Spine/Invuln), Liberty
Pulsar Staraven (F), Level 24 Controller (Grav/Rad), Liberty
Dr. Akagi (F), Level 22 Mastermind (Robots/Traps), Guardian
Fury- (F), Level 22 Brute (Energy/Energy), Liberty
NightfalI (M), Level 19 Defender (Dark/Dark), Pinnacle
Steel Night (M), Level 18 Tanker (Invulnerable/Super-Strength), Virtue
lmpact (F), Level 18 Blaster (Gun/Energy), Virtue
Faraday Facade (F), Level 18 Controller (Illusion/Forcefield), Justice
L33t M4str (M), Level 17 Blaster (Gun/Devices), Liberty
Luminant (F), Level 17 Defender (Rad/Rad), Victory
Girl at the Bar (F), Level 17 Controller (Mind/Empthy), Triumph |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Nerf to hurricane [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ennil Pwysau wrote:
> "Wolfing" <wolfing1.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145019886.847201.117900@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >
> .
> > It's a change to the power, regardless of PvE or PvP, the change came
> > because the 20 people doing PvP complained that they couldn't get in
> > melee range of stormies, so to please them, the power was nerfed (for
> > both PvE and PvP)
> >
>
> Can I hazard a guess that you're not one of the 20?
>
> If 19 of us get together, think we could get them to change things so that
> Stalkers can only hide 1/4 of the time and the rest they are just a little
> transparent?
They did, and there is another nerf coming for stalkers, I don't play
one so didn't pay much attention to it, it's something like now Placate
only hides you with 75% power so some people can still see you after
you assassinate someone, this change only really important for PvP as
mobs (except snipers) still won't be able to see you at that 75%
stealth.
> If your reason for the change is true, it's a bit bad - PvPers should learn
> to use corruptors more, and dominators, and MM's... you know, people who
> aren't Brutes or Stalkers, because they can PvP too, Blasters are very
> successful at PvP, so why is the change purely for melee fighters??
>
> Hey ho, we live, we die, we clear the debt.
>
> Ennil Pwysau >> Stay informed about: Nerf to hurricane |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:54 pm
Post subject: Re: Nerf to hurricane [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ennil Pwysau wrote:
> "Wolfing" <wolfing1 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145019886.847201.117900@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >
> .
> > It's a change to the power, regardless of PvE or PvP, the change came
> > because the 20 people doing PvP complained that they couldn't get in
> > melee range of stormies, so to please them, the power was nerfed (for
> > both PvE and PvP)
> >
>
> Can I hazard a guess that you're not one of the 20?
The thing is, the game has been out for 2 years already, hurricane has
worked as it does for 2 years, nobody complained, it wasn't an
overpowered power in any way. Sure I can 'hold' an enemy if there is a
corner where I can stick it, but then again, a lvl 1 controller has a
hold that doesn't need a corner to work, and uses a lot less endurance.
So everybody was happy.
Then they add PvP, they say no powers would be changed because of PvP
(almost exact words from a dev), yet here we are, suddenly the power I
used to keep myself alive is now useless BECAUSE OF PVP. I never PvP,
95% of City of Heroes players don't PvP, but we are indeed getting our
powers nerfed and changed all over the place because of PvP.
Let PvPers have their own powers I don't care what they do, just don't
change the powers I've used for 2 years!!! >> Stay informed about: Nerf to hurricane |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Nerf to hurricane [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Wolfing" <wolfing1.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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> It's a change to the power, regardless of PvE or PvP, the change came
> because the 20 people doing PvP complained that they couldn't get in
> melee range of stormies, so to please them, the power was nerfed (for
> both PvE and PvP)
>
Can I hazard a guess that you're not one of the 20?
If 19 of us get together, think we could get them to change things so that
Stalkers can only hide 1/4 of the time and the rest they are just a little
transparent?
If your reason for the change is true, it's a bit bad - PvPers should learn
to use corruptors more, and dominators, and MM's... you know, people who
aren't Brutes or Stalkers, because they can PvP too, Blasters are very
successful at PvP, so why is the change purely for melee fighters??
Hey ho, we live, we die, we clear the debt.
Ennil Pwysau >> Stay informed about: Nerf to hurricane |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Nerf to hurricane [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Shenanigunner" <shenanigunner RemoveThis @NOdgathSPAM.kom> wrote in message
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> "Wolfing" <wolfing1 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > Then they add PvP, they say no powers would be changed because of PvP
> > (almost exact words from a dev), yet here we are, suddenly the power I
> > used to keep myself alive is now useless BECAUSE OF PVP.
>
> I rarely advocate things like this, but perhaps a petition is in order -
> I'll happily host it, or help one of the bigger sites do it.
>
> "Dear Devs - We love CoH. Thank you. We love CoV. Thank you. We love the
> interaction between the worlds and the ongoing game updates and the
> special events. (Tnank you again.) But even the idea of a notion of a
> plan of a thought to add in PvP to the games was one of the stupidest
> ideas in gaming since Marshmallow Man vs. the Cavity-Fighters for the
> Atari 2600. Please get rid of PvP except PERHAPS in some closed hero v.
> villain missions, because the endless nerfing and changes trying to keep
> this ridiculous subset of the game "balanced" is screwing up nearly
> everything that's good about PvE CoX and is going to drive away everyone
> but PvP players, who have an endless number of games designed around PvP
> in the first place to fill their gaming needs.
>
> "So dump PvP - have Hamidon eat it, or let the villain population destroy
> the Arenas, and let werewolves take over the PvP zones, or something.
> Okay? Thanks one more time."
>
> s:____________________ aka ________________
>
> --
I'd go for that, as would a lot of people. But enough for them to scrap
something they've put so many hours into? I doubt it. Still, might be worth
a try...
Ennil Pwysau >> Stay informed about: Nerf to hurricane |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Nerf to hurricane [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> I'd go for that, as would a lot of people. But enough for them to scrap
> something they've put so many hours into? I doubt it. Still, might be
> worth
> a try...
As would I and almost everyone I meet in CoH.
What I don't understand is why they put PvP into the game in the first
place. No PvP is the reason I started playing this game and it is the
reason I will not play any other MMO. I hate it for the most part. It is
for the have's and power-gamers not the have-nots and the casual-gamers.
When the arena failed to draw the masses I cannot believe that they thought
PvP was the answer to getting more people to play the game. ::sigh::
Now I have done a bit of PvP in CoX and granted it is not half bad if you
remember a few things:
1) you will die all the time...
2) people will call you names and laugh after they gank you...
3) there is no debt so who cares...
4) you can always leave the zone and not worry about it...
AND I still don't see why they nerfed hurricane any way... it's not like it
was over-powered in PvP. I can think of several ways around it AND if you
select an attack and charge into someone using Hurricane you can get that
attack off before you get pushed out 99% of the time. Sometimes you could
even get off 2 attacks which is more than enough for the melee types to kill
a poor defender and/or detoggle them.
Nope, somehow I think it was more than just a PvP nerf. I think they
finally realized what a great power it was and that it needed a little nerf
to slow people down. Why do i think this? Because it seems they are
looking into nerfing ALL of the "repel" type powers if this nerf to
Hurricane works like they want it to. >> Stay informed about: Nerf to hurricane |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:55 am
Post subject: Re: Nerf to hurricane [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Wolfing" <wolfing1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Then they add PvP, they say no powers would be changed because of PvP
> (almost exact words from a dev), yet here we are, suddenly the power I
> used to keep myself alive is now useless BECAUSE OF PVP.
One, I don't believe the devs ever promised that no powers would be changed
because of PvP. That they'd *try* to prevent it, I could buy that. But a
promise? Skeptical.
Nevertheless... Castle just posted the following:
"I checked in a few Hurricane changes today that QA is going to look at. In
Theory, these changes should mean that for PvE, Hurricane acts Exactly as it
did before the previous change, while in PvP, it should act exactly as it
does currently. Hopefully this change will get a green light from QA -- I've
spent quite a bit of time on it over the last few days."
So that's a hope, at least. 
Brad >> Stay informed about: Nerf to hurricane |
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