NWN2 easier than NWN1?

"katy" <katysails RemoveThis @netscape.com> wrote in message
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> So far I am up to the quest of the 5 statues in the old ruins and had
> really the first difficult fight so far with the ogre king...and his
> goblins...NWN2 just seems to be easier or is it because the player now
> controls more of what's going on? Hope it gets a tad harder as this goes
> on...


There are some awkward fights you have to plan for but I think it is easier
overall though the fights do get harder as you work through the chapters and
there are some known nasty moments. But it does depend on what setting you
choose. I never go for hardcore (I'm not that interested in the fighting)
but the normal setting. I think by default it's set to the easiest setting
though. You might want to check that.

Best wishes
maxon
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maxon wrote:
> "katy" <katysails.TakeThisOut@netscape.com> wrote in message
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>> So far I am up to the quest of the 5 statues in the old ruins and had
>> really the first difficult fight so far with the ogre king...and his
>> goblins...NWN2 just seems to be easier or is it because the player now
>> controls more of what's going on? Hope it gets a tad harder as this
>> goes on...
>
>
> There are some awkward fights you have to plan for but I think it is
> easier overall though the fights do get harder as you work through the
> chapters and there are some known nasty moments. But it does depend on
> what setting you choose. I never go for hardcore (I'm not that
> interested in the fighting) but the normal setting. I think by default
> it's set to the easiest setting though. You might want to check that.
>
> Best wishes
> maxon

I'm on normal...was just wishing for a nasty dragon or something I would
have to fight more than once to figure it out...
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alordofchaos RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 17, 11:38 pm, katy <katysa... RemoveThis @netscape.com> wrote:
>> NWN2 just seems to be easier or is it because the player now
>> controls more of what's going on?
>
> I think that's a big part of it... the AI for NPCs is pretty bad.
>
> In NWN1, NPCs did stupid things, like spellcasters trying to cast
> buffs as they were surrounded and getting AoO'd to death. I generally
> left them to either just use missile weapons, or (most often) told
> them to stay put while I did the fight alone.
>
> In NWN2, you can set the spell caster to blast away with fireballs for
> several rounds on the archers/casters in the back, while setting all
> your melee NPCs onto the same enemy to whittle through their ranks
> quickly.
>
> I played NWN2 OC at the default setting and don't recall any really
> tough fights.
>
> I actually got so bored with MotB that I never finished - been playing
> NWN1 modules
>
> Now that a 3rd expansion is being released, I may revisit MotB.

I always play some kind of spellcaster so I hang back and send my melee
people in and let the other spellcaster do their thing (usually a druid
or cleric with healing capabilities) Maybe I will set the settings up to
more and see what that does.
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> maxon wrote:
>> "katy" <katysails RemoveThis @netscape.com> wrote in message
>> news:49223613$0$747$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>>> So far I am up to the quest of the 5 statues in the old ruins and had
>>> really the first difficult fight so far with the ogre king...and his
>>> goblins...NWN2 just seems to be easier or is it because the player now
>>> controls more of what's going on? Hope it gets a tad harder as this goes
>>> on...
>>
>>
>> There are some awkward fights you have to plan for but I think it is
>> easier overall though the fights do get harder as you work through the
>> chapters and there are some known nasty moments. But it does depend on
>> what setting you choose. I never go for hardcore (I'm not that
>> interested in the fighting) but the normal setting. I think by default
>> it's set to the easiest setting though. You might want to check that.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> maxon
>
> I'm on normal...was just wishing for a nasty dragon or something I would
> have to fight more than once to figure it out...

You may have already passed through it, but there is one area with a pretty
nasty dragon and some tough giants that you have to deal with. Also some
tough fights near the end. I think that for those of us that played a lot of
NWN 1, it seems easy because we know how to build and equip our characters.

Mox
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Mox 13 wrote:
> You may have already passed through it, but there is one area with a
> pretty nasty dragon and some tough giants that you have to deal with.
> Also some tough fights near the end. I think that for those of us that
> played a lot of NWN 1, it seems easy because we know how to build and
> equip our characters.

A lot of times it also seems to be dependant upon who you have
accompanying you. My part downed the fire giants in about a minute but
absolutely got nowhere against the red dragon. Had to edit the party to
put different personnel in and was able to take it down on the second try.

The first time I played the OC, the 2 black dragons were almost
impossible, second time they were much more manageable.

One of the hardest fights I had the second time through was against the
2 elite vampires when I was rushing to rescue Nasher on my own. I
finally lucked out when one of them got a bit trapped in a corner.

BZB
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Mox 13 wrote:

> You may have already passed through it, but there is one area with a
> pretty nasty dragon and some tough giants that you have to deal with.
> Also some tough fights near the end. I think that for those of us that
> played a lot of NWN 1, it seems easy because we know how to build and
> equip our characters.
>
> Mox

Glad to hear it..I'm still on the statue quest in the Ilefran
ruins...Nothing like a good meaty dragon fight (I like both good and bad
dragons(...
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Bill Z Bubb wrote:
> Mox 13 wrote:
>> You may have already passed through it, but there is one area with a
>> pretty nasty dragon and some tough giants that you have to deal with.
>> Also some tough fights near the end. I think that for those of us that
>> played a lot of NWN 1, it seems easy because we know how to build and
>> equip our characters.
>
> A lot of times it also seems to be dependant upon who you have
> accompanying you. My part downed the fire giants in about a minute but
> absolutely got nowhere against the red dragon. Had to edit the party to
> put different personnel in and was able to take it down on the second try.
>
> The first time I played the OC, the 2 black dragons were almost
> impossible, second time they were much more manageable.
>
> One of the hardest fights I had the second time through was against the
> 2 elite vampires when I was rushing to rescue Nasher on my own. I
> finally lucked out when one of them got a bit trapped in a corner.
>
> BZB

I haven't got to that point yet...I've been switching on and off
depedning on the quest at hand..I like having the paladin adn Helgar the
swarf with me and am stuck with Shondra becasue the game says I ahve to
take her..my character is a wizaard..now I have zhjare, too and she's
proving quite useful..I like Sand but can't stand the Ghara
soeceress..she seems to die a lot..and the rogue tiefling I can't
stomach the attitude...Dishop either..but I do like the bard Grolim or
whatever his name is...he beat off a whole troup oforcs all by himslef
after they killed the rest of the party with just his bard songs and a
rod of magic missiles! I thought for sure that was going to be a fight I
had to do over but he just kept pouring down the potions and zapping
away crying out "ew..ow! That hurt" Until he won.
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:15:30 -0800 (PST), alordofchaos.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com
wrote:

>On Nov 17, 11:38 pm, katy <katysa....TakeThisOut@netscape.com> wrote:
>> NWN2 just seems to be easier or is it because the player now
>> controls more of what's going on?
>
>I think that's a big part of it... the AI for NPCs is pretty bad.
>
>In NWN1, NPCs did stupid things, like spellcasters trying to cast
>buffs as they were surrounded and getting AoO'd to death. I generally
>left them to either just use missile weapons, or (most often) told
>them to stay put while I did the fight alone.

Yeah--the only way I found to handle it was not to have NPC casters in
NWN1.
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Loren Pechtel wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:15:30 -0800 (PST), alordofchaos RemoveThis @yahoo.com
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 17, 11:38 pm, katy <katysa... RemoveThis @netscape.com> wrote:
>>> NWN2 just seems to be easier or is it because the player now
>>> controls more of what's going on?
>> I think that's a big part of it... the AI for NPCs is pretty bad.
>>
>> In NWN1, NPCs did stupid things, like spellcasters trying to cast
>> buffs as they were surrounded and getting AoO'd to death. I generally
>> left them to either just use missile weapons, or (most often) told
>> them to stay put while I did the fight alone.
>
> Yeah--the only way I found to handle it was not to have NPC casters in
> NWN1.

Why didn't you just ask them to use their buffing spells before going
into battle? That way, they're all gone and they resort to their
defensive casting mode...I always used Deekin and had him use his buffs
before entering a bad area...that way it left him free for using his
bard songs etc. Worked really well.
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> Why didn't you just ask them to use their buffing spells before going into
> battle? That way, they're all gone and they resort to their defensive
> casting mode...I always used Deekin and had him use his buffs before
> entering a bad area...that way it left him free for using his bard songs
> etc. Worked really well.

I never bothered doing anything with Deekin - he always seemed to be able to
look after himself well enough. He was the NPC that ALWAYS survived even
the worst encounters. It was always fun to hear him singing in the middle
of battle, even when you couldn't see him (invisibility always seemed to be
the first cast).

Best wishes
maxon
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maxon wrote:
> "katy" <katysails.TakeThisOut@netscape.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Why didn't you just ask them to use their buffing spells before going
>> into battle? That way, they're all gone and they resort to their
>> defensive casting mode...I always used Deekin and had him use his
>> buffs before entering a bad area...that way it left him free for using
>> his bard songs etc. Worked really well.
>
> I never bothered doing anything with Deekin - he always seemed to be
> able to look after himself well enough. He was the NPC that ALWAYS
> survived even the worst encounters. It was always fun to hear him
> singing in the middle of battle, even when you couldn't see him
> (invisibility always seemed to be the first cast).
>
> Best wishes
> maxon
>
>
Yes, I was disappointed when he couldn't join the team and got Grobnar
or whatever his name is instead...supercillious little twit that he is...
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> maxon wrote:
>> "katy" <katysails RemoveThis @netscape.com> wrote in message
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>>> Why didn't you just ask them to use their buffing spells before going
>>> into battle? That way, they're all gone and they resort to their
>>> defensive casting mode...I always used Deekin and had him use his
>>> buffs before entering a bad area...that way it left him free for using
>>> his bard songs etc. Worked really well.
>>
>> I never bothered doing anything with Deekin - he always seemed to be
>> able to look after himself well enough. He was the NPC that ALWAYS
>> survived even the worst encounters. It was always fun to hear him
>> singing in the middle of battle, even when you couldn't see him
>> (invisibility always seemed to be the first cast).
>>
>> Best wishes
>> maxon
>>
>>
> Yes, I was disappointed when he couldn't join the team and got Grobnar
> or whatever his name is instead...supercillious little twit that he is...

I'm fairly new to NWN, and just started Shadows of Undrentide, which has a
few NPC changes from the first one. How do you get your henchman to not
rush into battle? I keep equipping them with a missile weapon, but as soon
as a fight starts they switch to a melee weapon and run headlong into their
doom. If they happen to survive they then switch back to teh missile weapon
after combat. Am I doing something wrong?
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Jeff George wrote:
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>> maxon wrote:
>>> "katy" <katysails.DeleteThis@netscape.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>> Why didn't you just ask them to use their buffing spells before going
>>>> into battle? That way, they're all gone and they resort to their
>>>> defensive casting mode...I always used Deekin and had him use his
>>>> buffs before entering a bad area...that way it left him free for using
>>>> his bard songs etc. Worked really well.
>>> I never bothered doing anything with Deekin - he always seemed to be
>>> able to look after himself well enough. He was the NPC that ALWAYS
>>> survived even the worst encounters. It was always fun to hear him
>>> singing in the middle of battle, even when you couldn't see him
>>> (invisibility always seemed to be the first cast).
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> maxon
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, I was disappointed when he couldn't join the team and got Grobnar
>> or whatever his name is instead...supercillious little twit that he is...
>
> I'm fairly new to NWN, and just started Shadows of Undrentide, which has a
> few NPC changes from the first one. How do you get your henchman to not
> rush into battle? I keep equipping them with a missile weapon, but as soon
> as a fight starts they switch to a melee weapon and run headlong into their
> doom. If they happen to survive they then switch back to teh missile weapon
> after combat. Am I doing something wrong?

You have to "talk" to them constantly (hail the pause button)...use the
command sidebar and tell them to stand their ground or to guard
you...you can do this as an en masse or individual thing...also,
sometimes changing the distances they follow you helps...if you know
they are going to be going into a melee situation adn you want them back
a bits tell them to trail far behind so it takes them longer to get
there...it
s all a matter of tactics...it will get easier in the next EP becasue
you assume more control over them even yet...
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