NOOBZ PUG Lets Warrior With 435 Defense Tank Heroic Ramps!!

On 11 Lut, 22:23, Areric <josh.schr....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > My wife and the mage want to at least give it a try. After whispering
> > the lock, the warlock does not object. Okay here we go. I know this is
> > going to be a chore for my priest. You have to figure that with 435
> > defense his armor is not going be up in the 12K range. His life was
> > somewhere around 10500 and I think that was with the fort. I expect
> > that his dodge/parry/block was not that stellar. But we move onwards.
> I've been wondering this the last couple days. What is the right
> amount of defense for a tank to take on a heroic? Does it depend on
> the heroic?
>
> I know the "goal" is 490 with 27% mitigation in other ways (block,
> parry, dodge, etc.) but that was for Kara i have been told. Would i
> need that before trying any heroics?

For heroics 444 defence is enough to be critical immune (since heroic
bosses are at level 72, only raid bosses are 73). So the 435 tank had
in fact only 0.33% chance to receive critical hit (from bosses only,
normal mobs cannot crit him). If rest of your party has acceptable
gear that should be enough.

And 27% (27.4% to be exact) is for raids, as for warrior it is
crushing immune threshold (again against raid bosses - lvl 73 mob).
But as always, it's not a problem if you're lacking a few points here
and there. me, as paladin tank, was neither crushing nor crit immune -
and tanked up to Prince without any problems.

--
Regards
Matt
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On Feb 12, 8:23 am, Areric <josh.schr....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:57 pm, Orion Ryder <orionry....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > IT WAS ME!!!!
>
> > No not the tank, but it was my priest, my wife's rogue and a freind
> > mage from our guild. We picked up a warlock and were trying for the
> > longest time to get a tank. We get one and we get into the instance
> > and I check out his gear and see very little defense on his gear.
>
> > He says this is his first heroic. The guy playing the mage looks up
> > the tank in the Armory using his other PC and relays the defense to me
> > - 435. I whisper a bit with my wife and the mage.
>
> > My wife and the mage want to at least give it a try. After whispering
> > the lock, the warlock does not object. Okay here we go. I know this is
> > going to be a chore for my priest. You have to figure that with 435
> > defense his armor is not going be up in the 12K range. His life was
> > somewhere around 10500 and I think that was with the fort. I expect
> > that his dodge/parry/block was not that stellar. But we move onwards.
>
> > Well I have to say that the guy knew tanking, I mean at least he knew
> > the skills and he could taunt to pull a mob back onyo him as needed
> > and build threat but he was getting hit hard he sure was. I could
> > clearly see the difference between healing this guy and a better
> > geared tank. He did die a few times, god bless him, where I just could
> > not keep up with the damage he was taking but we were able to take out
> > the rest of the mobs because he survived at least long enough where
> > the DPSers took out one or two mobs.
>
> > But there were two wipes prior to the first boss. Near to the first
> > boss he volunteeered to step out but I wanted to give him something
> > for his hard work and I knew that we could beat the first boss if we
> > got to him. On the wipes I just had no way of keeping the others alive
> > after the tank went down.
>
> > We did take on the first boss and it turned out just as I expected. He
> > tanked the boss and I healed him. One cleric was sheeped, as usual in
> > that fight. My wife off tanked the other cleric and they burned him
> > down fast. Then the DPS joined on the boss and the boss was dead as a
> > corpse shortly thereafter. Other cleric dead and I congratulated the
> > tank on his first Badge of Justice and we called it a day. The tank
> > said he would work on getting better gear before going back into a
> > heroic.
>
> > Talk about a hard day's work. That happened a few weeks ago but I just
> > been too busy to write the news up on that one.
>
> > Three cheers for the tank with 435 defense in Heroic Ramparts!
>
> > And for the fool idjit other party members what gave it a go!
>
> > OH! OH! OH!
>
> > Orion
>
> I've been wondering this the last couple days. What is the right
> amount of defense for a tank to take on a heroic? Does it depend on
> the heroic?
>
> I know the "goal" is 490 with 27% mitigation in other ways (block,
> parry, dodge, etc.) but that was for Kara i have been told. Would i
> need that before trying any heroics?
>
> Right now my tank is about 460 defense and well over 27% mitigation. I
> have over 10k hp unbuffed. Im working on replacing my last greens
> (shield, cloak, gun, and rings) but also know almost eveyrone else i
> play with has moved on to heroics so id like to get in there soon.
>
> Suggestions?

Here's some stuff you can get that does not require you to enter a
single heroic/kara. You don't have to get all of it. But when
there's nothing else going on, run the instances or do the quest
chains that lead you to these.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27887 Shield
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27804 Cape
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28258 Thrown
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28262 Chest
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28390 Gloves (BOE)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27891 Trinket
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30300 Trinket (Quest)

http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=569 Faith in Felsteel (BOE)
or
http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=653 Bold Armor (BOP)

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29186 Glyph of the Defender (for Head
enhancement)

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28889 Shoulder Inscription (Aldor
exalted)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28911 Shoulder Inscription (Scryer
exalted)

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31071 Grom'tor's Charge (1H axe Quest)
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On 12 helmi, 01:01, Matt <mateusz.woj....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> For heroics 444 defence is enough to be critical immune (since heroic
> bosses are at level 72, only raid bosses are 73). So the 435 tank had
> in fact only 0.33% chance to receive critical hit (from bosses only,
> normal mobs cannot crit him). If rest of your party has acceptable
> gear that should be enough.

Not true. 485 defense is required for crit immunity against lvl 72
mobs. Defense isn't only about crit immunity though. You want to dodge/
parry/block, and high defense increases all of those values. A warrior
can spam shield block and avoid normal hits that way, but a warrior
with bad gear probably has low block value, which means that blocking
won't decrease the received damage much.
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On 12 Feb., 05:54, vmki... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On 12 helmi, 01:01, Matt <mateusz.woj... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For heroics 444 defence is enough to be critical immune (since heroic
> > bosses are at level 72, only raid bosses are 73). So the 435 tank had
> > in fact only 0.33% chance to receive critical hit (from bosses only,
> > normal mobs cannot crit him). If rest of your party has acceptable
> > gear that should be enough.
>
> Not true. 485 defense is required for crit immunity against lvl 72
> mobs. Defense isn't only about crit immunity though. You want to dodge/
> parry/block, and high defense increases all of those values. A warrior
> can spam shield block and avoid normal hits that way, but a warrior
> with bad gear probably has low block value, which means that blocking
> won't decrease the received damage much.

Hi all,

the 485 defense is indeed true. The maths work like this...
a standard mob has a 5% chance to critically hit you. It's weapon
skill is considered its level*5, thus 350 for a lvl 70 mob. Each point
your defense skill is below 350 heightens the crit chance by 0,04%,
whereas each point above 350 lessens it by the same amount.
So, against a lvl 70 mob you would need your 350 defense (max by your
level) + [ (5/0,04) = 125 ] defense to be crit immune. There you go,
the magical 475 defense.
In order to make up for higher level mobs, you need higher defense.
That would be, according to the maths above, 5 more points because the
mob has 5 more points on his weapon skill.
Lvl 71 mob --> 480 def
Lvl 72 mob --> 485 def
Lvl 73 mob --> 490 def
Lvl 73 is widely thought to be the highest moblevel available, because
all "skull mobs" are always considered three levels above you, no
matter your level.

Regards,

Dubby
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On 12 Lut, 05:54, vmki....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> Not true. 485 defense is required for crit immunity against lvl 72
> mobs. Defense isn't only about crit immunity though. You want to dodge/
> parry/block, and high defense increases all of those values. A warrior
> can spam shield block and avoid normal hits that way, but a warrior
> with bad gear probably has low block value, which means that blocking
> won't decrease the received damage much.

Ah, you're right - I forgot about base chance for crit...

--
Regards
Matt
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On Feb 11, 6:24 pm, Chinese Farmer <hsien....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 8:23 am, Areric <josh.schr....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11, 1:57 pm, Orion Ryder <orionry....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > IT WAS ME!!!!
>
> > > No not the tank, but it was my priest, my wife's rogue and a freind
> > > mage from our guild. We picked up a warlock and were trying for the
> > > longest time to get a tank. We get one and we get into the instance
> > > and I check out his gear and see very little defense on his gear.
>
> > > He says this is his first heroic. The guy playing the mage looks up
> > > the tank in the Armory using his other PC and relays the defense to me
> > > - 435. I whisper a bit with my wife and the mage.
>
> > > My wife and the mage want to at least give it a try. After whispering
> > > the lock, the warlock does not object. Okay here we go. I know this is
> > > going to be a chore for my priest. You have to figure that with 435
> > > defense his armor is not going be up in the 12K range. His life was
> > > somewhere around 10500 and I think that was with the fort. I expect
> > > that his dodge/parry/block was not that stellar. But we move onwards.
>
> > > Well I have to say that the guy knew tanking, I mean at least he knew
> > > the skills and he could taunt to pull a mob back onyo him as needed
> > > and build threat but he was getting hit hard he sure was. I could
> > > clearly see the difference between healing this guy and a better
> > > geared tank. He did die a few times, god bless him, where I just could
> > > not keep up with the damage he was taking but we were able to take out
> > > the rest of the mobs because he survived at least long enough where
> > > the DPSers took out one or two mobs.
>
> > > But there were two wipes prior to the first boss. Near to the first
> > > boss he volunteeered to step out but I wanted to give him something
> > > for his hard work and I knew that we could beat the first boss if we
> > > got to him. On the wipes I just had no way of keeping the others alive
> > > after the tank went down.
>
> > > We did take on the first boss and it turned out just as I expected. He
> > > tanked the boss and I healed him. One cleric was sheeped, as usual in
> > > that fight. My wife off tanked the other cleric and they burned him
> > > down fast. Then the DPS joined on the boss and the boss was dead as a
> > > corpse shortly thereafter. Other cleric dead and I congratulated the
> > > tank on his first Badge of Justice and we called it a day. The tank
> > > said he would work on getting better gear before going back into a
> > > heroic.
>
> > > Talk about a hard day's work. That happened a few weeks ago but I just
> > > been too busy to write the news up on that one.
>
> > > Three cheers for the tank with 435 defense in Heroic Ramparts!
>
> > > And for the fool idjit other party members what gave it a go!
>
> > > OH! OH! OH!
>
> > > Orion
>
> > I've been wondering this the last couple days. What is the right
> > amount of defense for a tank to take on a heroic? Does it depend on
> > the heroic?
>
> > I know the "goal" is 490 with 27% mitigation in other ways (block,
> > parry, dodge, etc.) but that was for Kara i have been told. Would i
> > need that before trying any heroics?
>
> > Right now my tank is about 460 defense and well over 27% mitigation. I
> > have over 10k hp unbuffed. Im working on replacing my last greens
> > (shield, cloak, gun, and rings) but also know almost eveyrone else i
> > play with has moved on to heroics so id like to get in there soon.
>
> > Suggestions?
>
> Here's some stuff you can get that does not require you to enter a
> single heroic/kara.  You don't have to get all of it.  But when
> there's nothing else going on, run the instances or do the quest
> chains that lead you to these.

Thanks for the list. I happen to have a warrior also. Amazing that 3
of these items are from the fire baitch in mech. Not that I don't like
to battle her but I think there are far easier fights in the world.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27887Shield

With only 3 more decent runs left I'd say the Sha'tar Shield should
not be passed up at this point

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27804Cape

I just got a comparable cape in Black Morass. I'll have to compare the
two, but the one from Black Morass appears to be very good.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28258Thrown

I have that big gun, I think the Khorium Blaster. I like that one,
just got it a few weeks ago - nice mods on it.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28262Chest

I'll have to compare this one to the one I have

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28390Gloves (BOE)

I think the Felsteel Gloves, which I have, are better than these. As a
matter of fact I think the Felsteel Gloves are better than an epic
pair that my BS could make my warrior. For now I am going to stick
with the Felsteel Gloves

As for the Arc boss, I must have beaten her ten times and they did not
drop once. Fortunately the felsteel gloves top those AFAIC.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27891Trinket

A few battles with this boss and no trinket. I'll have to try again.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30300Trinket (Quest)

I can do this quest right now. I have tanked this fight for others in
the past. Should be as good as mine considering it's just a matter of
doing it.

I have a trinket from the last boss from Shattered Halls, that one is
not exactly something to complain about. I forget the other obne I
have, perhaps Blackheart's is better by a little over my otehr one.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=569Faith in Felsteel (BOE)

I have this set but I will be gettting the Helm of the Stalwort
Defender soon as I finish setting up a few thing with mats for my BS.

> or

> http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=653Bold Armor (BOP)

I have to really sructinize if these items are better than oens that I
have.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29186Glyph of the Defender (for Head
> enhancement)

I have this enhance sitting in the bank for when I have the stallwort
helm.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28889Shoulder Inscription (Aldor
> exalted)

Unfortunately it will be a little while till my warrior is exalted.
For now i ahve ot settle for the lower one. Eventually I can send my
hutner to farm Marks and Armaments for the warrior and he can be there
in a flash.

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28911Shoulder Inscription (Scryer
> exalted)

See above

> http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31071Grom'tor's Charge (1H axe Quest)- Hide quoted text -

I just got the aword off of the last boss in Black Morass. I like that
one and am now using it over the Dranei Blade that I have been
swinging for the longest time. Eventually perhaps I will be lucky
enough for that Suneater to drop or maybe I will see a zerg at the
Chess Event from some friends of mine - time will tell.

> - Show quoted text -

Thanks
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On Feb 11, 4:23 pm, Areric <josh.schr... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 11, 1:57 pm, Orion Ryder <orionry... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > IT WAS ME!!!!
>
> > No not the tank, but it was my priest, my wife's rogue and a freind
> > mage from our guild. We picked up a warlock and were trying for the
> > longest time to get a tank. We get one and we get into the instance
> > and I check out his gear and see very little defense on his gear.
>
> > He says this is his first heroic. The guy playing the mage looks up
> > the tank in the Armory using his other PC and relays the defense to me
> > - 435. I whisper a bit with my wife and the mage.
>
> > My wife and the mage want to at least give it a try. After whispering
> > the lock, the warlock does not object. Okay here we go. I know this is
> > going to be a chore for my priest. You have to figure that with 435
> > defense his armor is not going be up in the 12K range. His life was
> > somewhere around 10500 and I think that was with the fort. I expect
> > that his dodge/parry/block was not that stellar. But we move onwards.
>
> > Well I have to say that the guy knew tanking, I mean at least he knew
> > the skills and he could taunt to pull a mob back onyo him as needed
> > and build threat but he was getting hit hard he sure was. I could
> > clearly see the difference between healing this guy and a better
> > geared tank. He did die a few times, god bless him, where I just could
> > not keep up with the damage he was taking but we were able to take out
> > the rest of the mobs because he survived at least long enough where
> > the DPSers took out one or two mobs.
>
> > But there were two wipes prior to the first boss. Near to the first
> > boss he volunteeered to step out but I wanted to give him something
> > for his hard work and I knew that we could beat the first boss if we
> > got to him. On the wipes I just had no way of keeping the others alive
> > after the tank went down.
>
> > We did take on the first boss and it turned out just as I expected. He
> > tanked the boss and I healed him. One cleric was sheeped, as usual in
> > that fight. My wife off tanked the other cleric and they burned him
> > down fast. Then the DPS joined on the boss and the boss was dead as a
> > corpse shortly thereafter. Other cleric dead and I congratulated the
> > tank on his first Badge of Justice and we called it a day. The tank
> > said he would work on getting better gear before going back into a
> > heroic.
>
> > Talk about a hard day's work. That happened a few weeks ago but I just
> > been too busy to write the news up on that one.
>
> > Three cheers for the tank with 435 defense in Heroic Ramparts!
>
> > And for the fool idjit other party members what gave it a go!
>
> > OH! OH! OH!
>
> > Orion
>
> I've been wondering this the last couple days. What is the right
> amount of defense for a tank to take on a heroic? Does it depend on
> the heroic?
>
> I know the "goal" is 490 with 27% mitigation in other ways (block,
> parry, dodge, etc.) but that was for Kara i have been told. Would i
> need that before trying any heroics?
>
> Right now my tank is about 460 defense and well over 27% mitigation. I
> have over 10k hp unbuffed. Im working on replacing my last greens
> (shield, cloak, gun, and rings) but also know almost eveyrone else i
> play with has moved on to heroics so id like to get in there soon.
>
> Suggestions?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I believe the 27% you refer to is known as avoidance. Mitigation is
armor based, although avoidance theoretically could be called
mitigation in the sense that if you "avoid" the attack that does
amount to 100% mitigation eh?

And for "block" I still have yet to find a full explanation, You can
block something for partial damage so I am wondering if there are two
parts to that calculation, first for partial damage being blocked and
then mitigation applied to the damage actually taken.

I'm trying to envision the optimum % required for each in relation to
the other for the perfect tank depending on where one is tanking.

If I recall off the top of my head I have something in the realm of
13,16,27 when I look at that list in defense (dodge parry block) or is
it (parry dodge block). Eventually the items come your way, one just
has to persevere and work at it.

I guess people have debated and written on an issue about taking
damage. Compare being hit 100 times for small amounts where a healer
can easily keep one alive throughout the battle vs being missed 99
times and then being hit once for automatic death that will likely
result in a wipe.

One thing I notice is that as my stats got better I took less damage
but it also made my rage generation take a hit. If I sent my tank into
normal ramps I'd probably ahve to stand there and let the mobs hit me
for a bit to get the rage up where I can then get in a bunch of swings
and get my threat high enough where the DPSers can wail away. But of
course even if I do nto swing the tank will still automatically dodge/
block and parry, there is no skill to use called "Allow yourself to be
hit" that you can turn on as needed.

In normal Arc these days it appears that the times my rage is climbing
faster are the times I am taking elemental damage. When the rage is
low I find myself keeping a close eye on when my Revenge ligfhts up as
it oly cost me 2 or 3 rage for a large return of threat.

Hey good luck mate!

Orion
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On Feb 12, 10:13 am, Lewis <gkr....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <ceb77202-2217-4728-ad51-5efbf7a49....TakeThisOut@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>  Areric <josh.schr....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> > I've been wondering this the last couple days. What is the right
> > amount of defense for a tank to take on a heroic? Does it depend on
> > the heroic?
>
> Nope.  You need to be, if possible, uncritable and uncrushable.

"You need to be, if possible" is an oxymoron. It would be *nice* to
be those things, but I have done heroics with tanks whose defense was
*much* lower than that recommended.

> > I know the "goal" is 490 with 27% mitigation in other ways (block,
> > parry, dodge, etc.) but that was for Kara i have been told. Would i
> > need that before trying any heroics?
>
> Think of Kara as a 10 man Heroic.  Some of the HFP Heroics are easier.

Maybe Ramparts. Blood Furnace and Shattered Halls can hardly be put
forward as ideal for the less well-geared tank...

- Gerry Quinn
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On 12 fév, 08:58, Babe Bridou <babebri....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to know if just rethinking my enchants & gems, respeccing
> to protection and focusing on upgrades from engineering would be
> enough of a boost to elect my tank to heroic pugging? Because as I see
> it, from quests, only Dabiri's Enigma in the previous list would
> provide a def boost - as I'm neither alliance nor scryer, on the feet
> slot only feralfen boots would help and I'm afraid I vendored them
>
> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sunstrider&n=Narajalan

http://www.warcrafter.net/sandbox/27939
Man, this tool is nifty!

According to it:
_crafting my tankatronic goggles
_socketing them with a tenacious earthstorm diamond and a thick
dawnstone
_socketing my warchief's mantle with a thick golden draenite instead
of the hit/agi I previously put
_completing the quest for dabiri's enigma and replacing my force of
will from oldschool BRD with it
_respeccing for 5/5 anticipation

...would propel me right where I want to be, at 485 def.

Nifty tool, I tell you, nifty!
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On Feb 12, 4:13 pm, Orion Ryder <orionry... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I see a lot of "build this then that" and even seen the mathematics
> showing the relation between avoidance, mitigation, armor and damage
> taken but clear cut hard core "consider your dodge maxed at X %" and
> parry etc just like they say consider your defense maxed at 490.
>
> And I am sure some of that might even vary by where one is tanking,
> level 70s vs heroics vs Kara vs ZA vs SSC etc.
>
> Just have to continue with the research.

To keep it simple, you want 102.4% avoidance to be uncrushable;
similar to the 490def to be uncrittable (both by raid level bosses).
This 102.4% is the sum of your shield block, block, dodge, parry.
There are 'better' avoidance stats than others but they come at a
price (they cost more in the item budget so are harder to get while
maintaining the 102.4%).

Good luck.
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On 12 fév, 22:32, fireandforgetab... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 12, 4:13 pm, Orion Ryder <orionry... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I see a lot of "build this then that" and even seen the mathematics
> > showing the relation between avoidance, mitigation, armor and damage
> > taken but clear cut hard core "consider your dodge maxed at X %" and
> > parry etc just like they say consider your defense maxed at 490.
>
> > And I am sure some of that might even vary by where one is tanking,
> > level 70s vs heroics vs Kara vs ZA vs SSC etc.
>
> > Just have to continue with the research.
>
> To keep it simple, you want 102.4% avoidance to be uncrushable;
> similar to the 490def to be uncrittable (both by raid level bosses).
> This 102.4% is the sum of your shield block, block, dodge, parry.
> There are 'better' avoidance stats than others but they come at a
> price (they cost more in the item budget so are harder to get while
> maintaining the 102.4%).
>
> Good luck.

My understanding is that a protection warrior is _always_ rage-starved
until his mitigation is too low. The 102.4% avoidance and uncrush/
uncrittability is a matter of reducing damage spikes that will kill
you before healers can react, but knowing this and the spikey-style
damage that tanks get in heroics/kara/some 25s as healer, mitigation
is still a vital stat.

One thing tanks can consider is pumping up non-tank talents as they
gear up. Instead of "downgrading their gear" to build more aggro
through more rage, they could ponder getting more defense instead and
respeccing out of anticipation and into talents that actually increase
their general rage & aggro generation, such as Cruelty (+crit%), anger
management (+1 rage/3sec), one-handed weapon specialization, or even
impale.
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On Feb 13, 6:24 am, Babe Bridou <babebri....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 fév, 08:58, Babe Bridou <babebri....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would like to know if just rethinking my enchants & gems, respeccing
> > to protection and focusing on upgrades from engineering would be
> > enough of a boost to elect my tank to heroic pugging? Because as I see
> > it, from quests, only Dabiri's Enigma in the previous list would
> > provide a def boost - as I'm neither alliance nor scryer, on the feet
> > slot only feralfen boots would help and I'm afraid I vendored them
>
> >http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sunstrider&n=Narajalan
>
> http://www.warcrafter.net/sandbox/27939
> Man, this tool is nifty!
>
> According to it:
> _crafting my tankatronic goggles
> _socketing them with a tenacious earthstorm diamond and a thick
> dawnstone
> _socketing my warchief's mantle with a thick golden draenite instead
> of the hit/agi I previously put
> _completing the quest for dabiri's enigma and replacing my force of
> will from oldschool BRD with it
> _respeccing for 5/5 anticipation
>
> ...would propel me right where I want to be, at 485 def.
>
> Nifty tool, I tell you, nifty!

Oh wow! It is an interesting site. Thanks for the link
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