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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:34 pm
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I'm sure most of you know the story...The Persians were trying to
impose their rule over the world, and tiny, poor Greece had not
submitted yet. So the Persians invaded, and Greece decided to fight,
and the Spartans, the best warriors in the land were asked to lead the
armies. The Spartans however, feared sending their army far from home,
because of their slave class ( the helots), and other politics going
on, so the Spartan king Leonidas went north anyway with his bodyguard
of 300, to stop the supposedly million man army of Perisan king Xerxes
at a small mountain pass called Thermopylae, the Gates of Fire. He
held for three days until a traitor revealed a path around the pass,
which they used to surround the Spartans ( the other Greek allies
having retreated) and kill them to a man.
Great stuff...
Frank Miller wrote the comic the movie is based off, and if you don't
know Frank Miller, he's the guy who basically ressurrected Batman back
in the 80's from being a lame comic to being at the forefront of the
comic Renaissance of the late 80's-90's. If you saw Batman Begins,
almost all of the material from it is from his Batman Year One series.
He also wrote Sin City, and the last two Robocop movies ( which were
drastically altered with rewrites).
Visually, the film is incredible, having been filmed and then having
the back scenery etc drawn in. This gives the movie a surreal look
which really works. The tones of greys and browns lets the red and
gold of the Spartans stand out, as well as the black and silvers of
the Persian Immortals.
The performances are strong, with Gerard Butler as an excellent
Leonidas. He is able to deliver his lines with a dryness and a matter
of factness that shows the Leonidas was confident without being
reckless, and knew the quality of men he lead, without being arrogant.
David Wenham (Faramir from LOTR) and Vincent Regan (Troy) and the rest
of the Spartans also follow this mode...they know they are good, and
they are confident, and they prove it. The battle sequences are
excellent, showing the skill of the Spartans both in a phalanx and in
individual combats.
I think the only weakness of the film is the subplot back in Sparta,
where the Queen tries to rally the Spartans to send their army to the
north to rally to Leonidas. I think the resolution of it was fast, and
almost seemed thrown in as an afterthought.
I also must warn you that this is more a dramatic movie with action,
then an action movie with some drama. This means that the conclusion
may not be as climatic as it might have been had the story been a work
of fiction, but I am reminded strongly of the ending of Braveheart,
with the Spartan Dilios leading the charge of the Spartan army at
Platea being like the charge of the Scots at Bannockburn...
Overall, the movie rocks. I will probably see it again in the theatres
and will be sure to pick it up on DvD when it first comes out.
postscript: What I think will be amusing is the interpetation that
will be given to the film in light of today's political stage. I have
heard that in Europe people walked out on the film because they were
outraged by the "message", while some people have likened George Bush
to both Leonidas and Xerxes. I don't believe you can make an issue of
the story with today's world....you could do the same with Lord of the
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:03 pm
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On 9 Mar 2007 12:34:38 -0800, "keifer113@gmail.com"
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]Great stuff...
]
]Frank Miller wrote the comic the movie is based off, and if you don't
History channel has done a 2 hour show on it. The whole fact-fiction
thing. It convinced me to go see the movie.
]postscript: What I think will be amusing is the interpetation that
]will be given to the film in light of today's political stage. I have
]heard that in Europe people walked out on the film because they were
]outraged by the "message", while some people have likened George Bush
Maybe they were just illiterates suddenly realizing this is
Literature ?
JimP.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 4:59 pm
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On Mar 9, 2:29 pm, No 33 Secretary <terry.notaniceper....RemoveThis@gmail.com>
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> "keifer...@gmail.com" <Keifer....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote innews:1173472477.989547.152950@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
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> > Visually, the film is incredible, having been filmed and then
> > having the back scenery etc drawn in. This gives the movie a
> > surreal look which really works. The tones of greys and browns
> > lets the red and gold of the Spartans stand out, as well as the
> > black and silvers of the Persian Immortals.
>
> Taste vary, I suppose. The visual look of the ads is the reason I
> won't be bothering with it in the theater. Looks too comic-booky to
> me. The rest of your review inclines me to catch it on DVD, so long
> as somebody else buys it.
>
One thing that really bothered me in the trailers was the...
inhuman... look of some of what I assume were the Persians. I wonder
if this is what the Europeans were being bothered by?
The visual style and the look of those... people... really put off my
wife, so she isn't going to want to see it which means I probably
won't see it.
I'm kind of torn, as this is one of the best war stories in history
(and I've often wondered why it hasn't been handled before in film),
but the take on it looks like it's probably going to spoil my
suspension of disbelief.
I'm sure the history channel's rip-off of it will be good though,
being more accurate and believable. (Yes I know there's no
announcement of this, but they always seem to do a historical show to
cash in on any popular movie).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:09 pm
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keifer113.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
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> I don't believe you can make an issue of
> the story with today's world....you could do the same with Lord of the
> Rings and many other tales.
You do remember the (joke?) website dedicated to forcing a change in the
name of the "Two Towers" movie because of 9/11, right?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:56 pm
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"keifer113@gmail.com" <Keifer113.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Visually, the film is incredible, having been filmed and then
> having the back scenery etc drawn in. This gives the movie a
> surreal look which really works. The tones of greys and browns
> lets the red and gold of the Spartans stand out, as well as the
> black and silvers of the Persian Immortals.
>
Taste vary, I suppose. The visual look of the ads is the reason I
won't be bothering with it in the theater. Looks too comic-booky to
me. The rest of your review inclines me to catch it on DVD, so long
as somebody else buys it.
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"To Protect."
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:06 pm
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:46 pm
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On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:03:52 -0800, D.J. hath written thusly
(in article <7pi3v2dna3r5rk1scsrk42d7vmcfc6qs54 DeleteThis @4ax.com>):
> On 9 Mar 2007 12:34:38 -0800, "keifer113@gmail.com"
> <Keifer113 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great stuff...
>>
>> Frank Miller wrote the comic the movie is based off, and if you don't
>
> History channel has done a 2 hour show on it. The whole fact-fiction
> thing. It convinced me to go see the movie.
They did the story excellent justice, and I saved $9.50 US plus popcorn
by watching that at home instead of going out to see the film at the
local IMAX theatre (which, being IMAX, would have been absolutely
stunning).
>> postscript: What I think will be amusing is the interpetation that
>> will be given to the film in light of today's political stage. I have
>> heard that in Europe people walked out on the film because they were
>> outraged by the "message", while some people have likened George Bush
>
> Maybe they were just illiterates suddenly realizing this is
> Literature ?
>
> JimP.
>
Unfortunate that some would attach a political/social message. It's a
dramatic treatement of historical events, and should be taken as such.
As for Bush...Leonides is supposed to be a hero, right? Now, if this
was a film starring Bozo the Clown...  (no offense to Bozo or his
fans intended)
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:12 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:40 am
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In article <1173488341.457040.134330 DeleteThis @n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Justisaur <justisaur DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>One thing that really bothered me in the trailers was the...
>inhuman... look of some of what I assume were the Persians. I wonder
>if this is what the Europeans were being bothered by?
I read a review in the local newspaper that actual modern Greeks in particular
hated it, which definitely turned me off -- it's their history, after all. It
also said that somebody or other claimed this treatment of the Persians was
anti-Iran propaganda because Iran is modern Persia
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:55 am
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"Justisaur" <justisaur RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Mar 9, 2:29 pm, No 33 Secretary <terry.notaniceper... RemoveThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "keifer...@gmail.com" <Keifer... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:1173472477.989547.152950@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
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>> > Visually, the film is incredible, having been filmed and then
>> > having the back scenery etc drawn in. This gives the movie a
>> > surreal look which really works. The tones of greys and browns
>> > lets the red and gold of the Spartans stand out, as well as the
>> > black and silvers of the Persian Immortals.
>>
>> Taste vary, I suppose. The visual look of the ads is the reason I
>> won't be bothering with it in the theater. Looks too comic-booky to
>> me. The rest of your review inclines me to catch it on DVD, so long
>> as somebody else buys it.
>>
>
> One thing that really bothered me in the trailers was the...
> inhuman... look of some of what I assume were the Persians. I wonder
> if this is what the Europeans were being bothered by?
A friend who saw it (and loved it, but said it's *bloody*) indicated that
when one of the Immortals loses his make, the face underneath isn't
human. And there are a few other (mildly) mythological elements here and
there.
>
> The visual style and the look of those... people... really put off my
> wife, so she isn't going to want to see it which means I probably
> won't see it.
>
> I'm kind of torn, as this is one of the best war stories in history
> (and I've often wondered why it hasn't been handled before in film),
It has. This one is apparently significantly more historically accurate.
Which isn't saying much, of course.
> but the take on it looks like it's probably going to spoil my
> suspension of disbelief.
>
> I'm sure the history channel's rip-off of it will be good though,
> being more accurate and believable. (Yes I know there's no
> announcement of this, but they always seem to do a historical show to
> cash in on any popular movie).
>
I watched it last night. Other than a very similar visual style (probably
so they could use cut footage from the movie - these are often paid ads
by the studio), it was very good.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:54 am
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"keifer113@gmail.com" <Keifer113.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Mar 9, 8:06 pm, D.J. <alphmo....TakeThisOut@cableone.net> wrote:
>> On 9 Mar 2007 16:59:01 -0800, "Justisaur" <justis....TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> ](and I've often wondered why it hasn't been handled before in film),
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>> Actuallly, it was handled years ago in film in the 1960s
>>
>> http://imdb.com/title/tt0055719/
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>> JimP.
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> Miller used that movie as the inspiration for the tale.
>
Well, that, and historical accounts.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:03 pm
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> I read a review in the local newspaper that actual modern Greeks in
> particular hated it, which definitely turned me off -- it's their
> history, after all. It also said that somebody or other claimed this
> treatment of the Persians was anti-Iran propaganda because Iran is
> modern Persia
Slightly suspect, because this information is something I'm remembering
from seminary 12 years ago affiliated with a church whose founder
mispronounced "El Niņo" in such a way as to make it rhyme with "El
Minnow", but...
You can probably include Iraq in the 'propaganda.' Persia included a
significant portion of Iraq. The majority of Iraq and a small part of
Iran was known as Media. Persia was to Media what Mercedes was to Benz.
Babylon was the capital of the combined empire and it was located at
roughly the location of modern Baghdad.
Greece was always sensitive about getting their arse handed to them by
the Persians. It took them over 100 years to get even and then it took a
Macedonian to conquer them and his son to drag them into battle to get
even. It didn't take long for the whole thing to fall apart after the
ambitious young leader died. The stigma of defeat remains while the
accomplishments are robbed by the fact that world conquest is no longer
fashionable. It's nice to be remembered for inventing democracy and a
few good foods.
I think it's a stretch to cast the US as the Spartans and the traitors
as our NATO allies. The US wasn't exactly dragged kicking and screaming
into an invasion and our elite troops are comprised of our slave caste.
If you doubt it then compare the number of recruiters per capita in
Scottsdale, AZ to the number in the west valley. (I was going to use
Beverly Hills and Compton, but that would have resulted in an
unnecessary tangent.)
There might be a slightly better case for casting the US as invaders and
middle eastern allies as traitors, but I doubt even Michael Moore would
bother with such a flimsy indictment of Bush's foreign policy. A remake
of "Lawrence of Arabia" could do a much more thorough job of it.
It's a historical drama, but it's being sold as an action film. It would
probably be a mistake to read much more into it than that. The special
effects aren't going to hold Europeans the way they do with Americans,
though in other areas they are more sensitive to what happens behind the
camera. If the plot was thin or the direction was poor then the graphic
novel backdrop would have been viewed as a flimsy gimic rather than as a
true innovation.
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> I think it's a stretch to cast the US as the Spartans and the traitors
> as our NATO allies. The US wasn't exactly dragged kicking and screaming
> into an invasion and our elite troops are comprised of our slave caste.
> If you doubt it then compare the number of recruiters per capita in
> Scottsdale, AZ to the number in the west valley. (I was going to use
> Beverly Hills and Compton, but that would have resulted in an
> unnecessary tangent.)
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keifer113.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>> I think it's a stretch to cast the US as the Spartans and the traitors
>> as our NATO allies. The US wasn't exactly dragged kicking and screaming
>> into an invasion and our elite troops are comprised of our slave caste.
>> If you doubt it then compare the number of recruiters per capita in
>> Scottsdale, AZ to the number in the west valley. (I was going to use
>> Beverly Hills and Compton, but that would have resulted in an
>> unnecessary tangent.)
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> Slave caste?
Wage slaves and the working poor, many of which are descendants of
slaves of the regular variety. It's a common contention among civil
rights advocates that military recruiting focuses disproportionately on
minorities and the lower class.
My reasoning is that those who would want to make that comparison would
not enjoy the places where the analogy fails. I am not interested in
another flame thread at this point.
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