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ray o'hara wrote:

> nobody likes taxes but we want the fire department to still make house
> calls.

Tell me again why I would need to pay Belgium 21% VAT taxes on a
purchase made with money already taxed at the #1 rate of *all*
countries (recent OESO numbers) for a transaction they've got no
business with.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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M. Ziegler wrote:

> yesterday, I bought and downloaded Battles in Italy.
> I payed 41,99¤ plus 16% tax for Germany.
> Is it possible for a German to enter the US site of the shop
> and buy it for 49$ without tax?

Don't think so - your credit card is tied to an address in Germany -
get a US buddy to pay for it for you and do the download part yourself
is the only way around that that I can see. If wargame companies would
accept PayPal that would also be a good step in getting rid of that
ridiculous sales tax to a country that has nothing to do with the
transaction between you and a company.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx


nobody likes taxes but we want the fire department to still make house
calls.
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<eddysterckx.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> ray o'hara wrote:
>
> > nobody likes taxes but we want the fire department to still make house
> > calls.
>
> Tell me again why I would need to pay Belgium 21% VAT taxes on a
> purchase made with money already taxed at the #1 rate of *all*
> countries (recent OESO numbers) for a transaction they've got no
> business with.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
>


no business with? what has that got to do with anything. they tax to fund
the government and all its spending.
when you think about it the money is taxed several times. when you earn
,when you spend it and when yu save it. .
i like how canada does it, they hit you with a provincial sales tax total
that amount and then charge the VAT on that amount. you are being taxed on
the tax. and then they brag about the "free" health care.
you guys keep voting for those politicians who keep raising your taxes.{we
do too}.


oh yeah, A 21% VAT TAX, THAT'S FREAKING ROBBERY!

we don't have a VAT {yet} but some politicians have mentioned it.


they call my state taxachusetts but we are 32nd out of 50, the state hits
us for 9.8% ,
maine is the worst at 13%. they even tax candy bars.
i gather you euros and the canadians really get fleeced.
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"ray o'hara" <roh RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in
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> i gather you euros and the canadians really get fleeced.

Yes, and you know what happens to people who see "taxation without
representation"

As far as Belgium is concerned : "I want my money back" - Margaret
Thatcher

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx


--
"Ceterum censeo Belgicam delendam esse."
(Cato, 'Pro Gerolphe')
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Eddy Sterckx schrieb:
> "ray o'hara" <roh.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:IvudnTr8jKFrsNnZRVn-rw@comcast.com:
>
>> i gather you euros and the canadians really get fleeced.
>
> Yes, and you know what happens to people who see "taxation without
> representation"
>
> As far as Belgium is concerned : "I want my money back" - Margaret
> Thatcher
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
>
>
Next year the VAT in Germany raises from 16% to 19%!
Paying it for a boxed game, it is ok. But for a download?

Michael
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In article <1145312320.154533.116950.TakeThisOut@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
eddysterckx.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com says...

> > nobody likes taxes but we want the fire department to still make house
> > calls.
>
> Tell me again why I would need to pay Belgium 21% VAT taxes on a
> purchase made with money already taxed at the #1 rate of *all*
> countries (recent OESO numbers) for a transaction they've got no
> business with.

Because your Benign Overlords In NordEuroStan say you do?

--
Giftzwerg
***
"Regarding a potential motive, this appears to have been part of a plan
to kidnap a person, rape them, torture them, kill them, cut off their
head, drain the body of blood, rape the corpse, eat the corpse, then
dispose of the organs and bones."
- Police Chief David Tompkins, Purcell OK

"Wow. That's some plan."
- Giftzwerg
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I thouht they did accept PayPal. Or was that Shrapnal Games? I know it
was one of those. I recently purchased one via PayPal.
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Giftzwerg skrev i meddelelsen ...
>In article <1145312320.154533.116950.DeleteThis@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>eddysterckx@hotmail.com says...
>
>> > nobody likes taxes but we want the fire department to still make house
>> > calls.
>>
>> Tell me again why I would need to pay Belgium 21% VAT taxes on a
>> purchase made with money already taxed at the #1 rate of *all*
>> countries (recent OESO numbers) for a transaction they've got no
>> business with.
>
>Because your Benign Overlords In NordEuroStan say you do?

Well if one wants to live in a society with a high level of public service
that high level of service requires a high level of taxation.

All of those nations with high tax levels all seem to be democracies,
where the people are free to elect governements that will enact the policies
desired by the people, so essentially its the people who decides that the
taxes have to be high.

AFAIK all those nations allow individuals desirering to leave for somewhere
with less taxation to do so without asking for any compensation for
education,
health care etc. received before - and sometimes even after leaving so what
is the problem ?

Shouldn't people who desire to form societies with high level of service be
free to do so ?

BTW - the highest taxation level (according to the OECD) in the world is
either
found in Denmark or Sweden who alternate ad having the higest level
at 50-some percent of GNP (IIRC the US has about 30 %)

--------------------------------------
Carl Alex Friis Nielsen

Love Me - take me as I think I am
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"Carl Alex Friis Nielsen" <cafn DeleteThis @get2net.dk> wrote in message
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> Giftzwerg skrev i meddelelsen ...
>>In article <1145312320.154533.116950 DeleteThis @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

> at 50-some percent of GNP (IIRC the US has about 30 %)
>

My guess is most countries are about the same (roughly 50%) if you take
everything into account. In California my federal tax bracket is about
30%-35%, then I also pay state tax of about 11%. I have my taxes prepared,
so I'm not sure of the exact percentages, but this is close. So out of 100
dollars, I pay roughly 41% - 46% to the state and federal governments.

On top of that I pay Social Security and Medicare, so that easily takes it
over 50%. Now if I want to spend any of the $50.00 or less I get to keep
from my paycheck, I have to pay sales tax on just about anything I buy, so
in the end I probably only realize 35%-40% of what I earn. Of course there's
things like tolls and parking fees, traffic citations, building permits,
property taxes, water bills, etc. I pay as well, so perhaps its more like
25% in the end.

My guess is if you look at everyone's particular situations, we all pay far
too much tax. Politicians love to tax us and it's them, not the citizens,
who decide how much to tax us. In my experience here in the US, politicians
always say they want to lower taxes, but I've never seen a noticeable
difference in what I get to keep in my all my years of being a taxpayer.

Jim

--
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways - Brewski in one hand - cigar in the other - body thoroughly used
up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO, What a Ride"
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Skip wrote:
> I thouht they did accept PayPal. Or was that Shrapnal Games? I know it
> was one of those. I recently purchased one via PayPal.

Matrix Games accepts PayPal - they also have a UK store which should
eliminate the Customs duty you'd have to pay on packages from outside
the EC.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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Carl Alex Friis Nielsen wrote:

> Well if one wants to live in a society with a high level of public service
> that high level of service requires a high level of taxation.
>
> All of those nations with high tax levels all seem to be democracies,
> where the people are free to elect governements that will enact the policies
> desired by the people, so essentially its the people who decides that the
> taxes have to be high.

That's generally true, but not the case for Belgium. Parity in
government between Flemings and Walloons essentially means that a party
that gets 40% of the vote in the Walloon/Brussels (40% of the
population) part of the country dictates the policy of the central
government. That party is the socialist party which gets this amount of
votes because of their enormous spending on welfare and social security
and there's nothing the voters in Flanders can do about that short of
declaring independance (and the party advocating that is approaching
35% of the vote - if you've got Belgian Bonds now would be a good time
to sell them as they could become wortless pretty soon)

> BTW - the highest taxation level (according to the OECD) in the world is
> either
> found in Denmark or Sweden who alternate ad having the higest level
> at 50-some percent of GNP (IIRC the US has about 30 %)

Latest figures by the OESO (released end of March) put Belgium at the
top at
54.2% - which was a new world record as well.

And then there's 21% VAT on everything, registration fees for
everything, one of the lowest pension levels in the entire EC making it
necessery to have a private pension fund, and the need for a private
medical care insurance etc.

Short : I'm not getting my money's worth *at all* - ask around in
be.politics if you want to know more about this "Belgian Disease"

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx
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In article <Jpe1g.240$nU4.91@news.get2net.dk>, cafn.DeleteThis@get2net.dk says...

> >> Tell me again why I would need to pay Belgium 21% VAT taxes on a
> >> purchase made with money already taxed at the #1 rate of *all*
> >> countries (recent OESO numbers) for a transaction they've got no
> >> business with.
> >
> >Because your Benign Overlords In NordEuroStan say you do?
>
> Well if one wants to live in a society with a high level of public service
> that high level of service requires a high level of taxation.
>
> All of those nations with high tax levels all seem to be democracies,

Hmmmm. I wonder if this is true?

I mean, how can you even compare the level of "taxation" under a
capitalist democracy with a system like, say, Soviet Russia where the
state owns everything - including the labor of the citizenry? Or a
kleptocracy like Cuba, where corruption is so fabulously rampant that
it's hard to figure out what-money-goes-where?

> where the people are free to elect governements that will enact the policies
> desired by the people, so essentially its the people who decides that the
> taxes have to be high.

I'm willing to bet you're wrong, and that if we define "tax" as "the
total burden the government and beauracracy impose on the citizenry in
the form of economic penalties," we'll find that the highest "taxes" are
in lawless African dictatorships ... not Sweden.

Of course, there's no way to prove this. But it's my suspicion, and I'm
sticking by it.


--
Giftzwerg
***
"Regarding a potential motive, this appears to have been part of a plan
to kidnap a person, rape them, torture them, kill them, cut off their
head, drain the body of blood, rape the corpse, eat the corpse, then
dispose of the organs and bones."
- Police Chief David Tompkins, Purcell OK

"Wow. That's some plan."
- Giftzwerg
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In article <9Ve1g.63$2J1.56@fe06.lga>, jburns7000.DeleteThis@yahoo.com says...

> My guess is if you look at everyone's particular situations, we all pay far
> too much tax. Politicians love to tax us and it's them, not the citizens,
> who decide how much to tax us. In my experience here in the US, politicians
> always say they want to lower taxes, but I've never seen a noticeable
> difference in what I get to keep in my all my years of being a taxpayer.

"The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can
bribe the people with their own money."
- de Tocqueville

--
Giftzwerg
***
"Regarding a potential motive, this appears to have been part of a plan
to kidnap a person, rape them, torture them, kill them, cut off their
head, drain the body of blood, rape the corpse, eat the corpse, then
dispose of the organs and bones."
- Police Chief David Tompkins, Purcell OK

"Wow. That's some plan."
- Giftzwerg
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