Mana Tombs -- what happened?

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> A group of friends and I went to underbog, and completed it so quickly and
> easily we decided to go next to mana tombs.
>
> Now, I've been to mana tombs, in a pug, and even tho my shadow priestess was
> only level 64 then, we still completed - no problem.
>
> And, it looked good tonight. Till we got to the last boss. And this time,
> the orbs would not go down.. they spawned into casters and the adds killed
> us. We wiped... several times. Now, some of my friends have other alts so we
> tried switching chars for more healing, more dps, etc... but it seemed that
> the boss was SO MUCH more difficult than the last time I was there.
>
> This was only my second time there, but my friends have been there numerous
> times on their alts. And they were as surprised as I was. So, I was
> wondering if perhaps there is something going on. Like, maybe since two of
> the group were 70, did the instance scale? At level 65 (non-elite) the orbs
> should have gone down to our 68 warlock.. but no. And, we didn't almost kill
> him.. our best run only got him down to 49%.
>
> So, I was wondering, has something changed? Or is there some strategy we
> were missing?
>
>

In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level

This impacts resistances, hit & glancing. The bosses hit points, damage
and loot stay unchanged.



" Les « boss » varient de niveau et s’ajustent par rapport au niveau des
joueurs, ainsi le « boss » sera supérieur de trois niveaux que chacun
des joueurs individuels. Cela affectera uniquement sa chance de
résister, de toucher ou d’érafler. Si vous êtes de niveau 70 le boss
réagira comme s’il était 73, et si vous êtes de niveau 60 comme étant
sera 63. Ses points de vie et les dégâts qu’il inflige resteront
inchangés, ainsi que les objets récupérables.

La variation des niveaux des « boss » ne se fait donc pas en se basant
sur le joueur ayant le plus haut niveau.

On ne parle pas du mode héroïque ici."
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On Mar 19, 10:58 am, Mel <melo... DeleteThis @pasdespam.chezmoi> wrote:
> jes.t... DeleteThis @hexduxhmp.org a écrit :
>
> > Mel <melo... DeleteThis @pasdespam.chezmoi> wrote:
> >> In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level
>
> > Is that the level of the highest party member, some sort of
> > average, lowest?
>
> No, it is *your* level and not the average level of the party or the
> highest party members level or any one elses level.
>
> Each member of the party with a different levele will have a slightly
> different boss in front of them.

I see why Blizzard did that...but that is so weird from a "world"
perspective.

Haha.
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"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666.TakeThisOut@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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> "Jason Cavett" <jason.cavett.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> "In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level"
>>
>> By *your*, do you mean the level of the highest player in the
>> instance? (Sorry, can't read French.)
>
> Nope, it's per player.
>
> (We recently did a just for fun/switch off your brains ZG run, so
> I can confirm it
>

I still dont get it... so if a lvl 70 tank helps someone in rampants the
boss will count as lvl 73 ?
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In <etm7j8$33h$1@ss408.t-com.hr> "Shammy" <none.RemoveThis@nothing.com> writes:

> I still dont get it... so if a lvl 70 tank helps someone in rampants the
> boss will count as lvl 73 ?

The bosses of the big raid instances (Molten Core, Onyxia, ZG, etc.) will
scale to be three levels above *each individual player*. So a level 65
Mage will see his spells get resisted as if the boss were level 68, and
a level 70 Mage will see his spells get resisted as if the boss were 73.

(But the bosses have the same amount of health they always did, and deal
the same amount of damage they always did, so they're still lots easier
than they were at 60.)

However, I don't think this applies in 5-mans. So I'm not sure what the
OP's issue was.

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jes.t.er DeleteThis @hexduxhmp.org a écrit :
> Mel <melodie DeleteThis @pasdespam.chezmoi> wrote:
>> In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level
>
> Is that the level of the highest party member, some sort of
> average, lowest?

No, it is *your* level and not the average level of the party or the
highest party members level or any one elses level.

Each member of the party with a different levele will have a slightly
different boss in front of them.
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Shammy a écrit :
> "Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666 RemoveThis @bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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>> "Jason Cavett" <jason.cavett RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level"
>>>
>>> By *your*, do you mean the level of the highest player in the
>>> instance? (Sorry, can't read French.)
>> Nope, it's per player.
>>
>> (We recently did a just for fun/switch off your brains ZG run, so
>> I can confirm it
>>
>
> I still dont get it... so if a lvl 70 tank helps someone in rampants the
> boss will count as lvl 73 ?
>
>
>
>


"In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level

This impacts resistances, hit & glancing. The bosses hit points, damage
and loot stay unchanged. "

That means for each member of the party that has a different level, they
will be attacking a boss that is slightly different.

The Boss has the same number of hit points, damage and loot, but when
*you* attack *you* will have resistance, glancing and to hit of a mob 3
levels above your level; your neighbour who is x levels below you will
be attacking a boss that has resistance, glancing and to hit of a mob 3
levels above *his* level.



We are all living in tangent parallel worlds
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"John Gordon" <gordon RemoveThis @panix.com> wrote in message
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> In <etm7j8$33h$1@ss408.t-com.hr> "Shammy" <none RemoveThis @nothing.com> writes:
>
>> I still dont get it... so if a lvl 70 tank helps someone in rampants the
>> boss will count as lvl 73 ?
>
> The bosses of the big raid instances (Molten Core, Onyxia, ZG, etc.) will
> scale to be three levels above *each individual player*. So a level 65
> Mage will see his spells get resisted as if the boss were level 68, and
> a level 70 Mage will see his spells get resisted as if the boss were 73.
>
> (But the bosses have the same amount of health they always did, and deal
> the same amount of damage they always did, so they're still lots easier
> than they were at 60.)
>
> However, I don't think this applies in 5-mans. So I'm not sure what the
> OP's issue was.
>

Heh.
The issue was we died.
Multiple times.

We never even got CLOSE to killing the Prince.

And, I might have thought - wow, this guy is tough!

Were it not for the fact that I was in a Pug about 10 days ago, and there
were no deaths. And, the pug levels were not as high as the group I was with
last night (heck, MY level was not as high... )

My friends had never had such trouble in the tombs. We didn't have trouble
throughout the instance (heck, we felt uber!). But get to the last 'boss'
and damn, we go down 6-7 times.

We buffed, we sharpened, we oiled and poisoned, we blew every
potion/food/scroll in our inventories.

And we couldn't kill a boss we had all killed before.

We swapped chars (my friends have multiple level 70 alts). More healing,
more CC, more dps -- all to no avail.

Now, user error is always an explanation. But, damn, he seemed so much more
tough than in the past. And none of us could remember a recent patch
affecting the instance.

So I was asking, what could have happened? Did the presence of level 70's in
our group affect the instance? Has the instance changed in difficulty? Or is
there some strategy we missed.

Our technique was to take down the 'orbs' around the prince, but they just
would not go down.. and spawned casters.. lots of them. Rather quickly.

The fact that we could not dps them down was what concerned us.
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Christian Stauffer wrote:

> The statement:
>
>>> Each member of the party with a different levele will have a slightly
>>> different boss in front of them.
>
> while true, somehow, is completely wrong if you look at it from
> the other side. Because each member of the party will have the
> *SAME* boss in front of them, a boss who's hard to hit but who
> will almost always hit him. In relative values, which is what
> matters in the end, every party member will have the same boss
> in front of them.

So how are the more "universal" attributes of the boss determined, such
as HP? I assume a boss has a set amount of HP and this can't change per
PC fighting it?
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"Jason Cavett" <jason.cavett DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> "In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level"
>
> By *your*, do you mean the level of the highest player in the
> instance? (Sorry, can't read French.)

Nope, it's per player.

(We recently did a just for fun/switch off your brains ZG run, so
I can confirm it

Chris

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I didn't know any of the 'bosses' in mana tombs were tagged as 'boss' for
their level. Aren't they just straight-up L67 elite or something like that?
Only mobs who say 'boss' when you mouseover them are true bosses where their
level scales with yours...this is why it's still impossible to solo mobs
like Teremus, Rend Blackhand, Drakkisath, etc; even at L70 in all epics.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought, that in the expansion, you don't see
any mobs tagged as 'boss' in any of the 5-man instances, only in karazhan
and the 25-mans...gruuls lair, magtheridons lair, serpentshrine cavern,
tempest keep.


"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666.TakeThisOut@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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> "Jason Cavett" <jason.cavett.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "In normal mode bosses scale to be 3 levels above *your* level"
>>
>> By *your*, do you mean the level of the highest player in the
>> instance? (Sorry, can't read French.)
>
> Nope, it's per player.
>
> (We recently did a just for fun/switch off your brains ZG run, so
> I can confirm it
>
> Chris
>
> --
> [WoW] Wildcard - Treehugging Tauren (60) on EN Sunstrider [PvP]
> Gwaith - Short beastmaster (70) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
> Sian - Best friend (70) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
> Yagon - Pointy eared beast (25) on EN Scarshield L. [RPPvP]
>
> Get the alt.games.warcraft FAQ at http://www.wildcard7.com/agw_faq.txt
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John Gordon wrote:
>
> The bosses of the big raid instances (Molten Core, Onyxia, ZG, etc.) will
> scale to be three levels above *each individual player*. So a level 65
> Mage will see his spells get resisted as if the boss were level 68, and
> a level 70 Mage will see his spells get resisted as if the boss were 73.
>

Wow. Damned cheating computers!



But seriously, that seems like a reasonable to keep them challenging a
bit longer.
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Jason Cavett wrote:
>
> I see why Blizzard did that...but that is so weird from a "world"
> perspective.
>
> Haha.

Sure is. It does, though, give the L60 warlock a chance to laugh at the
L70 mage when his sheep is resisted.



I was in SteamVaults the other day at L67. On one fight, the first four
polymorphs I cast were resisted. We wiped on that one.

The guild leader sent me a gem to increase my spell hit chance after
that.

I returned the favour last night, farming netherweb silk for the guild.

Good guild, good people.
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