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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:54 am
Post subject: MS Wants You To Upgrade Everything
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It's quite apparent with the release of FSX that Microsoft wants everyone to
upgrade their hardware to get ready for Vista. I have a pretty reasonable
power machine (custom built) and FSX is still a little sluggish and window
transition is slow. I'm running a straight P4 2.8 Ghz processor. MS wants
everyone to go DuoCore with 512mb Video Cards. Won't be long now before
displays will come with their own memory for some reason. Oh how I remember
Flight Sim Ver 1 for the Commodore 64. Bad graphics but it ran very well
and was a damn good learning too to learn how to fly without all the other
fancy stuff thrown in. Every version thereafter has been a memory hog and
harder to master. I do like the additional aircraft though. Never have
mastered the helicopter though.
Since I have nothing better to do the rest of my life since I'm 100%
retired, instead of giving my money away, I suppose I'll just go out and buy
the best motherboard, memory, video card, and other toys for Vista unless I
opt to just do what I should have done years ago. Go buy a large MAC and be
done with it. I wonder how FSX will perform on a MAC. I don't think that
version is released yet, but it would be interesting to see how it performs.
Will MAC live up to it's name?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:55 pm
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Old Sarge (oldsarge@richgreene.com) wrote:
> It's quite apparent with the release of FSX that Microsoft wants everyone to
> upgrade their hardware to get ready for Vista. I have a pretty reasonable
> power machine (custom built) and FSX is still a little sluggish and window
> transition is slow. I'm running a straight P4 2.8 Ghz processor. MS wants
> everyone to go DuoCore with 512mb Video Cards. Won't be long now before
> displays will come with their own memory for some reason. Oh how I remember
> Flight Sim Ver 1 for the Commodore 64. Bad graphics but it ran very well
> and was a damn good learning too to learn how to fly without all the other
> fancy stuff thrown in. Every version thereafter has been a memory hog and
> harder to master. I do like the additional aircraft though. Never have
> mastered the helicopter though.
>
> Since I have nothing better to do the rest of my life since I'm 100%
> retired, instead of giving my money away, I suppose I'll just go out and buy
> the best motherboard, memory, video card, and other toys for Vista unless I
> opt to just do what I should have done years ago. Go buy a large MAC and be
> done with it. I wonder how FSX will perform on a MAC. I don't think that
> version is released yet, but it would be interesting to see how it performs.
> Will MAC live up to it's name?
>
> Have fun everyone and remember, life is only temporary, thank God.
>
>
i know this'll be off topic but forget MS flight sim, after I got
X-Plane i never looked back, no stupid issues like you have with MS
stuff. besides if you upgrade to AMD you wont have the problems you get
with the trash pentium cpu's |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:55 pm
Post subject: Re: MS Wants You To Upgrade Everything [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <d7dgb.s4t.17.1 DeleteThis @news.alt.net>, "Old Sarge
\(oldsarge@richgreene.com\)" <oldsarge(nospam)@richgreene.com> says...
> It's quite apparent with the release of FSX that Microsoft wants everyone to
> upgrade their hardware to get ready for Vista. I have a pretty reasonable
> power machine (custom built) and FSX is still a little sluggish and window
> transition is slow. I'm running a straight P4 2.8 Ghz processor. MS wants
> everyone to go DuoCore with 512mb Video Cards. Won't be long now before
> displays will come with their own memory for some reason. Oh how I remember
> Flight Sim Ver 1 for the Commodore 64. Bad graphics but it ran very well
> and was a damn good learning too to learn how to fly without all the other
> fancy stuff thrown in.
Sorry but you don't remember too well. It ran at 1 FPS, exactly. It
was fun because it was all we had but I would hardly call that running
"very well".
John Black >> Stay informed about: MS Wants You To Upgrade Everything |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:39 pm
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Michael wrote:
> >
> i know this'll be off topic but forget MS flight sim, after I got
> X-Plane i never looked back, no stupid issues like you have with MS
> stuff. besides if you upgrade to AMD you wont have the problems you get
> with the trash pentium cpu's
so why are you posting on the ms flight sim newsgroup ? >> Stay informed about: MS Wants You To Upgrade Everything |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:55 pm
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Hi Old Sarge,
Somebody on this n/g, with an impeccable reputation, posted fairly
recently about this very point.
He had the latest Mac version, and said that FS9 ran flawlessly on it,
at exactly the same performance levels that he was experiencing under Win Xp
Pro.
Might be worth you doing a little investigating, mate!
Regards,
John Ward
"Old Sarge (oldsarge@richgreene.com)" <oldsarge(nospam)@richgreene.com>
wrote in message news:d7dgb.s4t.17.1@news.alt.net...
> It's quite apparent with the release of FSX that Microsoft wants everyone
> to upgrade their hardware to get ready for Vista. I have a pretty
> reasonable power machine (custom built) and FSX is still a little sluggish
> and window transition is slow. I'm running a straight P4 2.8 Ghz
> processor. MS wants everyone to go DuoCore with 512mb Video Cards. Won't
> be long now before displays will come with their own memory for some
> reason. Oh how I remember Flight Sim Ver 1 for the Commodore 64. Bad
> graphics but it ran very well and was a damn good learning too to learn
> how to fly without all the other fancy stuff thrown in. Every version
> thereafter has been a memory hog and harder to master. I do like the
> additional aircraft though. Never have mastered the helicopter though.
>
> Since I have nothing better to do the rest of my life since I'm 100%
> retired, instead of giving my money away, I suppose I'll just go out and
> buy the best motherboard, memory, video card, and other toys for Vista
> unless I opt to just do what I should have done years ago. Go buy a large
> MAC and be done with it. I wonder how FSX will perform on a MAC. I don't
> think that version is released yet, but it would be interesting to see how
> it performs. Will MAC live up to it's name?
>
> Have fun everyone and remember, life is only temporary, thank God.
>
> >> Stay informed about: MS Wants You To Upgrade Everything |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:55 am
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Good question, mate!!
JW
<raamman RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
>> >
>> i know this'll be off topic but forget MS flight sim, after I got
>> X-Plane i never looked back, no stupid issues like you have with MS
>> stuff. besides if you upgrade to AMD you wont have the problems you get
>> with the trash pentium cpu's
>
> so why are you posting on the ms flight sim newsgroup ?
> >> Stay informed about: MS Wants You To Upgrade Everything |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:55 am
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"Old Sarge \(oldsarge@richgreene.com\)"
<oldsarge(nospam)@richgreene.com> writes:
> Since I have nothing better to do the rest of my life since I'm 100%
> retired, instead of giving my money away, I suppose I'll just go out and buy
> the best motherboard, memory, video card, and other toys for Vista unless I
> opt to just do what I should have done years ago. Go buy a large MAC and be
> done with it.
You won't be saving any money, and you'll be buying nearly identical
hardware. And FSX won't run on Macs.
Microsoft has a vested interest in building software that requires
newer hardware, as it is very dependent on Intel, a company that wants
and needs to sell hardware. If Microsoft were to start writing
software that actually runs faster on existing hardware than its
predecessors, Intel and AMD might be very unhappy, and the next time
Microsoft needed a favor ...
Also, it's much easier to write bloated code than it is to write tight
and efficient code, and since new and useless features must be added
to every software release to provide a pretext for encouraging people
to buy it, bloat is the normal trend.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:55 am
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John Ward writes:
> EXACTLY what do you base that comment on?
The fact that it is designed and coded for Windows.
> I know for a fact that FS9 can run very well on a Mac, as I accordingly
> advised Old Sarge.
No Windows applications can run on a Mac.
> I'd be very surprised if FSX can't run equally as freely on a Mac ...
Given the additional overhead involved on a Mac, I'd expect it to run
more slowly.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:14 pm
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Mxsmanic <mxsmanic RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>No Windows applications can run on a Mac.
Don't ever say never 
If he's got a newer Intel Mac, then he can run Win XP.
Besides, even for older Mac's there are plenty of emmulators
available. But I'm sure the frame rates with them will be in the
basement 
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 1:55 pm
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Total bullshit, mate - you've finally tripped yourself up, in this n/g.
Don't slam the door, on your way out...... as if......
JW
"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Ward writes:
>
>> EXACTLY what do you base that comment on?
>
> The fact that it is designed and coded for Windows.
>
>> I know for a fact that FS9 can run very well on a Mac, as I accordingly
>> advised Old Sarge.
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> No Windows applications can run on a Mac.
>
>> I'd be very surprised if FSX can't run equally as freely on a Mac ...
>
> Given the additional overhead involved on a Mac, I'd expect it to run
> more slowly.
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:55 pm
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Tom Orle writes:
> If he's got a newer Intel Mac, then he can run Win XP.
He can run Windows XP directly, in which case it's not Mac OS, or he
can run emulation, in which case he's not running Windows XP or Mac
OS.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:59 pm
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Hi Mxsmanic,
"...And FSX won't run on Macs"
EXACTLY what do you base that comment on?
I know for a fact that FS9 can run very well on a Mac, as I accordingly
advised Old Sarge.
I'd be very surprised if FSX can't run equally as freely on a Mac, but
you seem to want to offer unsubstantiated advice that would confuse Old
Sarge, who has made it very clear that he wouldn't mind finally getting the
Mac.......
Put up, or shut up, mate - give me plenty of well-reasoned specifics, or
piss off (please excuse my language here, everyone, but I've had more than
enough of this bloke, in his own right, and now he's offering bad advice to
someone who clearly wants only good advice...).
John Ward
"Mxsmanic" <mxsmanic.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Old Sarge \(oldsarge@richgreene.com\)"
> <oldsarge(nospam)@richgreene.com> writes:
>
>> Since I have nothing better to do the rest of my life since I'm 100%
>> retired, instead of giving my money away, I suppose I'll just go out and
>> buy
>> the best motherboard, memory, video card, and other toys for Vista unless
>> I
>> opt to just do what I should have done years ago. Go buy a large MAC and
>> be
>> done with it.
>
> You won't be saving any money, and you'll be buying nearly identical
> hardware. And FSX won't run on Macs.
>
> Microsoft has a vested interest in building software that requires
> newer hardware, as it is very dependent on Intel, a company that wants
> and needs to sell hardware. If Microsoft were to start writing
> software that actually runs faster on existing hardware than its
> predecessors, Intel and AMD might be very unhappy, and the next time
> Microsoft needed a favor ...
>
> Also, it's much easier to write bloated code than it is to write tight
> and efficient code, and since new and useless features must be added
> to every software release to provide a pretext for encouraging people
> to buy it, bloat is the normal trend.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. >> Stay informed about: MS Wants You To Upgrade Everything |
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