LSJ: Domain Challenge vs Forced March?

Hi all,

This question came up last night in our game. Can you play Forced March
inferior to untap the acting vampire before the referendum of Domain
Challenge counts tapped minions?

I've found the below ruling for Domain Challenge I read it as you can.
I've also found rulings stating that you can't play Freak Drive since
it happens at the end of the action. Forced March inferior however
happens when thes action is successful, which would imply to me when
all the block attempts are unsucessful (rulebook 6.3.2).

After reading the rule book, the cards and the Domain Challenge Rulling
I would say that you can use Forced March to untap and not have the
acting minion counted as tapped for the referendum. Am I correct?

Domain Challenge:
Tapped minions are counted after the referendum is completed. [RTR
19941109]

Forced March [KMW:C/PAn2]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Celerity & Fortitude
A vampire can play only one Forced March each turn.
[cel][for] Only usable when an action is successful. This vampire
untaps.
[CEL][FOR] +1 stealth, and at the end of the action, the acting vampire
may burn 1 blood to untap if the action is successful.

Name: Domain Challenge
[Jyhad:C, VTES:C, CE:C/PV2, Anarchs:PAB]
Cardtype: Political Action
Political Card - Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth.
Successful referendum means each Methuselah burns 1 pool for each
tapped minion he or she controls.

Salem wrote:
> bernard.macnaught.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> > This question came up last night in our game. Can you play Forced March
> > inferior to untap the acting vampire before the referendum of Domain
> > Challenge counts tapped minions?
*SNIP*

> what would happen if then someone played Delaying Tactics during the
> referendum?
>
> The action is no longer successful.
>
> So you need to wait until after the referendum to know the action is
> successful.
>
> Note: the referendum can fail and the action still be successful.

What if one has played Pulse of the Canaille (inf) and looked at all
Methuselah's hands, seeing that no one has Delaying Tactics. In
addition one sees (knows) that no one has a chance to cycle their hand
or draw extra cards (their hand didn't contain vote cards that they
could discard during the referendum, no DI's, no one has untapped
Barrens/Dreams etc. in play...)?

Similarly, in a two-player situation one can have Revelations in play
(there are also some special abilities etc. which allow "peeping" of
other people's cards in hand, like Fleurdumal's etc., allowing one to
know the what they are in certain situations involving more than two
players).

I suppose this is may have been adressed before, I only searched
"Forced March LSJ and something about Domain of Evernight which has
similar wording as FM [inf] at TEM [sup].

I would assume that information available to only one methuselah can't
be used as a basis to make a reliable statement that an action IS
succesful. Judge could confirm this information in a tournament,
however...

Similar, perhaps more important, question: Can one play FM [inf] (or
Domain of Evernight [sup]) after a succesful Bum's Rush (or other
action), but before the action is concluded (during combat, for
example)?

Thanks,

(and apologies for the complicated sentence structures/grammatical
errors),

Heikki P.