LD constantly? I can't play so i'll start a revolution

On Aug 9, 8:02 pm, "Lief" <ask.me.... DeleteThis @it.com> wrote:
> "Eric D. Braden" <bradener... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1186673318.159765.8570@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Honest question: What makes EQ more difficult than other games? Is
> > soloability equal to ease? Does a harsh death penalty make a game
> > difficult?
>
> Not being hand fed the entire way, learning your class / others classes and
> what they can do, learning what mobs do, learning how to raid, learning raid
> roles, co-ordinating large raids which require more than just TANK / DPS /
> HEAL etc...
>

Take out "large" and I don't see the difference. I will agree that 60
people are harder to coordinate than 25.

>Heh, twitch is just reaction's, you can't learn that, EQ requires some
>twitch but alot of knowledge, knowing what to do and when, doing something
>wrong can kill an entire raid (hatchet for example).

Twitch is very "learnable". It's quick thinking mixed with hand-eye
coordination. Both are skills that can be developed. I don't really
see that knowledge is that related to difficulty. Is your Googling
ability part of your EQ "skill"?

Anyway. The issue isn't really whether EQ is more or less difficult
than WoW. The issue, for me, is just to not make boneheaded
statements like "People w/o brains don't play EQ."
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:56:11 GMT, "Lief" <ask.me.for.RemoveThis@it.com> wrote:



>It isn't a bash at anyone, it's a statement of fact. WoW is an easier game,
>which the majority of people seem to prefer. Having played all MMORPG on
>the market, compared to EQ they are all easy, dull, and require less
>brainpower. However, that doesnt mean people have to agree with me, I dont
>care what others play...


The "statement of fact" part is what I disagree with. Having played
both EQ and WoW to a high level, I just have to call bullshit on this.
If you want to say "IMHO, WoW is easier than EQ", well, that's fine.
If you want to back it up with some logical arguments, even better, we
can have a rational discussion. But when you toss out stuff that
(IMHO) is BS, and don't bother to even try to back it up, it sounds
like you are trying to make yourself feel good by bashing other
people.
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"murdocj" <temp.TakeThisOut@mirque.delete.this.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:56:11 GMT, "Lief" <ask.me.for.TakeThisOut@it.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >It isn't a bash at anyone, it's a statement of fact. WoW is an easier
game,
> >which the majority of people seem to prefer. Having played all MMORPG on
> >the market, compared to EQ they are all easy, dull, and require less
> >brainpower. However, that doesnt mean people have to agree with me, I
dont
> >care what others play...
>
>
> The "statement of fact" part is what I disagree with. Having played
> both EQ and WoW to a high level, I just have to call bullshit on this.

WoW is easier, fact.

> If you want to say "IMHO, WoW is easier than EQ", well, that's fine.

Yes because it is true.

> If you want to back it up with some logical arguments, even better, we
> can have a rational discussion. But when you toss out stuff that
> (IMHO) is BS, and don't bother to even try to back it up, it sounds
> like you are trying to make yourself feel good by bashing other
> people.
>

You used IMHO, which is your opinion...never said you had to agree with me.
Seems like you have some paranoia issues steming from the fact you know I am
correct
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"Eric D. Braden" <bradenericd RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Aug 9, 8:02 pm, "Lief" <ask.me.... RemoveThis @it.com> wrote:
> > "Eric D. Braden" <bradener... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1186673318.159765.8570@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > Honest question: What makes EQ more difficult than other games? Is
> > > soloability equal to ease? Does a harsh death penalty make a game
> > > difficult?
> >
> > Not being hand fed the entire way, learning your class / others classes
and
> > what they can do, learning what mobs do, learning how to raid, learning
raid
> > roles, co-ordinating large raids which require more than just TANK / DPS
/
> > HEAL etc...
> >
>
> Take out "large" and I don't see the difference. I will agree that 60
> people are harder to coordinate than 25.
>

Good we are agreed that EQ raids are harder then.

> >Heh, twitch is just reaction's, you can't learn that, EQ requires some
> >twitch but alot of knowledge, knowing what to do and when, doing
something
> >wrong can kill an entire raid (hatchet for example).
>
> Twitch is very "learnable". It's quick thinking mixed with hand-eye
> coordination. Both are skills that can be developed. I don't really
> see that knowledge is that related to difficulty. Is your Googling
> ability part of your EQ "skill"?
>

Sorry you either have twitch or you dont.

You cannot google fights that people have never done, or are rarely done.
WoW raids require no googling (and little learning), because they are so
easy.

> Anyway. The issue isn't really whether EQ is more or less difficult
> than WoW. The issue, for me, is just to not make boneheaded
> statements like "People w/o brains don't play EQ."
>

I said WoW requires less brains, basically, which is true.
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:24:13 GMT, "Lief" <ask.me.for.DeleteThis@it.com> wrote:

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>> > "c" <smalltalkingchicken.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >> Or is it too late for that? No one really plays eq, huh?
>> >
>> > 200,000 players at the moment. Not WoW level of players, but then not
>> > everyone has a brain and they prefer 'easy' games.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Try raiding some of the BC content and come back and tell us how easy it
>> was.
>
>It is easy...
>

Ah, thanks. Your clear, well reasoned arguments and cogent examples
have convinced me. I just hadn't understood it that way before.

I had thought that ZG and Karazhan required skill, determination,
coordinated teamwork, and consistent play over a long period of time.
But based on all the data you've presented, they're obviously quite
easy, any 10 or 20 people can just walk in and master them. Thanks
for enlightening me.
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