Hunter levelling: AP or Agi?

"Jobbles" <jjobbles.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Keep in mind this question is for LEVELLING a hunter. What these stats do
> for a hunter at L70 is not part of the question.
>
> Is it better to go for +agi or +AP when getting gear? I know +agi gear
> (tiger, monkey, falcon, wolf) helps raise your accuracy and crit%, but
> only increases ranged AP. If you're like most hunters I see, you've got
> the dual weapons (or the big honking sword or axe) and you're ready to
> close when needed, so wouldn't +AP help, since it increases your melee
> damage as well as ranged?
>
> -Jobbles
>

For a hunter, +agi gives bonus to ranged and melee, much like rogues. so for
leveling I would focus on agi, with stamina, spirit and Int mixed in as you
need to fortify your weak points.
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On 16 May, 00:59, "Jobbles" <jjobb....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keep in mind this question is for LEVELLING a hunter.  What these stats do
> for a hunter at L70 is not part of the question.
>
> Is it better to go for +agi or +AP when getting gear?  I know +agi gear
> (tiger, monkey, falcon, wolf) helps raise your accuracy and crit%, but only
> increases ranged AP.  If you're like most hunters I see, you've got the dual
> weapons (or the big honking sword or axe) and you're ready to close when
> needed, so wouldn't +AP help, since it increases your melee damage as well
> as ranged?

As a levelling hunter I don't think you'll have much choice really. I
would expect most of your gear to come from quest rewards and that
most of it will not have +AP. There is a nice sword available as a
quest reward from RFK or RFD but other than that there'll not be much.

Your hardest choice (until 40) will probably be whether to go for
Rogue leather with more Agility and no Int or to sacrifice some DPS
for a larger mana pool.

steve.kaye
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On May 16, 11:49 am, "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> wrote:
> Finally here is my hunter who is a pretty good Melee hunter, especially with
> avoidance, but I still have alot of pvp to get and I always comes top in
> AV - Killing blows and Damage done.
>
> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eonar&n=Ry%C3%A1n

Why are you dual wielding? This means your raptor strikes are quite
weak. Two one-handed weapons also have less stamina than one two-
handed weapon, and stamina is important for PVP.
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On 16 May, 09:49, "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> wrote:

> Leveling a hunter is the easiest thing in Warcraft, I am currently leveling
> a rogue and at level 67 it is a PITA, but my hunter hit 70 in 12 days
> played.

I didn't find my rogue to be a pain to level at 67. It was a pain to
quest in HFP as all the mobs seem to have high health, high armour or
dot you.


> Don't listen to people who say hunters can't melee, while it is true we are
> not as good as warriors or rogues

Or melee shamans, or feral druids or retribution paladins. So
basically that leaves casters and tanks. And I'm not 100% sure about
tanks.


> if you come up against a lesser geared
> rogue in AV or another battleground you can handle yourself very well

Well, that depends upon how you define "handle yourself". From your
previous statement I would say you mean 1v1 melee damage and if that's
the case the rogue would have to be significantly lesser geared than
the hunter.


> So when leveling a hunter get the best weapon you can and buy mail at 40,
> get agility gear plus stamina and some intellect and have fun at lvl 40
> ask a 70 to pop you through Uldaman, a nice blue gun drops off one of the
> Dwarf's, I had to boost someone through last night.
>
> Finally here is my hunter who is a pretty good Melee hunter, especially with
> avoidance, but I still have alot of pvp to get and I always comes top in
> AV - Killing blows and Damage done.

I must say that anyone who closes their post with the statement "I
always comes top in
AV - Killing blows and Damage done" seriously damages the credibility
of their post. I would accept often but not always. Especially
seeing as the previous statement was that you have a lot of pvp [gear]
to get. That means that you are either claiming that you always beat
full epic geared dpsers or that you never get players with better gear
than you in AV. Both statements seem very unlikely to be true.

steve.kaye
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On May 16, 3:49 am, "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> wrote:

>
> When I say stacked I don't mean in the sense of poisons etc, I just mean 2
> wing clips showing on the mob, and I have used the epic glad axe and at
> least to me it seems the 2 x 1 handers get wing clip off more often but
> maybe I am mistaken sorry.

Pretty sure that the second wing clip debuff is just the indicator
that the root effect of the talent has procced.
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Good geared survival hunter is very powerful class in pvp, learn to play it and you tear those rogues/shamans/warriors easily to pieces.

They just cant touch you and if they luckily get into range, they're up for a very nasty surprise as survival hunter can do some considerable dmg in melee too, and in this case when enemy gets in range its all about finishing him anyway...

Only problem here is that survival hunter is the hardest class to gear up, so its definitely not a class for newbies...
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On May 16, 11:49 am, "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> wrote:
> Finally here is my hunter who is a pretty good Melee hunter, especially
> with
> avoidance, but I still have alot of pvp to get and I always comes top
> in
> AV - Killing blows and Damage done.
>
> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eonar&n=Ry%C3%A1n

Why are you dual wielding? This means your raptor strikes are quite
weak. Two one-handed weapons also have less stamina than one two-
handed weapon, and stamina is important for PVP.

But I have more agility and imo in PVP getting wingclips off fast is the
key, 2 wing clips stacked = frozen player, and unless your a caster being
frozen is the worse thing in battlegrounds.

I prefer faster weapons, i think it's just a personal choice and it hasn't
effected my enjoyment as a hunter.
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I think it was "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> that wrote something
like...

>
><vmkiili RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>On May 16, 11:49 am, "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> wrote:
>> Finally here is my hunter who is a pretty good Melee hunter, especially
>> with
>> avoidance, but I still have alot of pvp to get and I always comes top
>> in
>> AV - Killing blows and Damage done.
>>
>> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eonar&n=Ry%C3%A1n
>
>Why are you dual wielding? This means your raptor strikes are quite
>weak. Two one-handed weapons also have less stamina than one two-
>handed weapon, and stamina is important for PVP.
>
>But I have more agility and imo in PVP getting wingclips off fast is the
>key, 2 wing clips stacked = frozen player, and unless your a caster being
>frozen is the worse thing in battlegrounds.
>
>I prefer faster weapons, i think it's just a personal choice and it hasn't
>effected my enjoyment as a hunter.

I don't play my hunter much, but I believe wingclip is an instant, so
it doesn't actually matter what speed weapon you're using. And I've
certainly never heard anything to suggest it stacks. It can be
talented to root targets in place, but that's it as far as I know.

Ashen Shugar
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On May 15, 4:59 pm, "Jobbles" <jjobb....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keep in mind this question is for LEVELLING a hunter.  What these stats do
> for a hunter at L70 is not part of the question.
>
> Is it better to go for +agi or +AP when getting gear?  I know +agi gear
> (tiger, monkey, falcon, wolf) helps raise your accuracy and crit%, but only
> increases ranged AP.  If you're like most hunters I see, you've got the dual
> weapons (or the big honking sword or axe) and you're ready to close when
> needed, so wouldn't +AP help, since it increases your melee damage as well
> as ranged?
>
> -Jobbles

Monkey gear until 57, Bandit gear until 70, with quests giving you
better / blue improvements.
AGI, AP and STR directly contribute to your melee and ranged AP.
So focus on those three stats; crits shouldn't even be considered.

"Crits are for mages, silly rabbit..." I've been told
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On Fri, 16 May 2008 09:49:17 +0100, Ronny wrote:
>
> "Jobbles" <jjobbles.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:j74Xj.42411$KJ1.11891@newsfe19.lga...
> > Keep in mind this question is for LEVELLING a hunter. What these stats do
> > for a hunter at L70 is not part of the question.
> >
> > Is it better to go for +agi or +AP when getting gear?

> I would say when leveling a hunter nothing really matters, just stick with
> agility and keep all talents in the BM tree, your pet will do all the hard
> work and you will just finish off the mobs.

I agree on this

> Don't listen to people who say hunters can't melee, while it is true we are
> not as good as warriors or rogues

People who tell hunter newbies not to melee don't say it because hunters
can't melee. We tell them to make them realise, that while they can melee
and even survive amazingly well, they still deal a lot less damage while
meleeing compared to ranged attacks.

Ideally, your pet holds aggro for as long as possible (with things like
thunderstomp even on as many mobs as possible) while you deal ranged damage.
If the mob closes up with you, and is about to die, finish it off meleeing.
If it still has quite some help, you might want to disengage or even Feign
Death (once you have it) to make the mob go back for your pet, you can then
deal more damage while taking less damage.

That is what we mean when we say that meleeing as a hunter is suboptimal,
not that they can't do it.

It's a bit like a warlock doing melee damage with his puny staff instead of
casting face melting dots... He can do it, but doing what he was designed
for is much more efficient.

> So when leveling a hunter get the best weapon you can and buy mail at 40,

While this is true in principle, I wouldn't just go and throw out all your
leather stuff at 40, because some of the mail gear you can get in your early
40ies might have lots of armour compared to leather but still less ideal
stats, so in the 40-50 range, it is often common for hunters to use a mix of
leather and mail gear, paying more attention to stats than armour (again,
armour matters less if you don't melee too often).

> get agility gear plus stamina and some intellect and have fun

This is true. As others wrote, in the 1-60 range, the question won't so much
be "agi vs ap" as there is relatively little AP gear in that level range.

A more interesting question might be: If I take agi (and if possible AP) as
primary stat, should my secondary stat rather be STA (more life, live
longer, eat less) or INT (more mana, do more damage, drink less)?

Cheers
Urbin

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"Ashen Shugar" <deathsabyss.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>I think it was "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> that wrote something
> like...
>
>>
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>>On May 16, 11:49 am, "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>ronny.ws> wrote:
>>> Finally here is my hunter who is a pretty good Melee hunter, especially
>>> with
>>> avoidance, but I still have alot of pvp to get and I always comes top
>>> in
>>> AV - Killing blows and Damage done.
>>>
>>> http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eonar&n=Ry%C3%A1n
>>
>>Why are you dual wielding? This means your raptor strikes are quite
>>weak. Two one-handed weapons also have less stamina than one two-
>>handed weapon, and stamina is important for PVP.
>>
>>But I have more agility and imo in PVP getting wingclips off fast is the
>>key, 2 wing clips stacked = frozen player, and unless your a caster being
>>frozen is the worse thing in battlegrounds.
>>
>>I prefer faster weapons, i think it's just a personal choice and it hasn't
>>effected my enjoyment as a hunter.
>
> I don't play my hunter much, but I believe wingclip is an instant, so
> it doesn't actually matter what speed weapon you're using. And I've
> certainly never heard anything to suggest it stacks. It can be
> talented to root targets in place, but that's it as far as I know.
>

That's correct it is a talent, so 2 wing clips stacked = root. looking at
the % chance it's 21% so 4 wingclips should = root, how quick you get those
wingclips off surely means you root more often? At least that's how I see
it.
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> Good geared survival hunter is very powerful class in pvp, learn to play
> it and you tear those rogues/shamans/warriors easily to pieces.
>
> They just cant touch you and if they luckily get into range, they're up
> for a very nasty surprise as survival hunter can do some considerable dmg
> in melee too, and in this case when enemy gets in range its all about
> finishing him anyway...
>
> Only problem here is that survival hunter is the hardest class to gear up,
> so its definitely not a class for newbies...

Very true, I have never played a full Surv hunter, but I have some points in
it, and they help immensely
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In article <h4dXj.20697$q96.14760@newsfe18.ams2>, "Ronny" <Ronny@<spam>
ronny.ws> says...
>

> That's correct it is a talent, so 2 wing clips stacked = root. looking at
> the % chance it's 21% so 4 wingclips should = root, how quick you get those
> wingclips off surely means you root more often? At least that's how I see
> it.
>
>

Wingclip doesn't stack, it either works or it doesn't, and with the
talent you have a percentage chance of it rooting. Something with a 21%
chance doesn't mean that it will root if you do 4 of them, only that
each one has a 21% chance of rooting.

Wingclip is not dependant on weapon speed or number of weapons, it is
only dependant on it's own cooldown and mana.

T.
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