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lcpltom

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:46 am
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On Nov 21, 1:41 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS....TakeThisOut@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:31:23 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcpl....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I'm trying to remember, out of all the valkyr towns, where Nifflevar
> >is.
>
> On the eastern side of the zone, south of the quests at the top of the
> lift after you leave Vengeance Landing.
> --
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> Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
> Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
> Buinne (70 Troll Shaman)
> Tairbh (70 Tauren Druid)
> Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
> Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
> Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
> Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
> Beag (60 Dwarf Paladin)

Ok, I definitely think I missed those then, will have to head back
that way when I get a chance.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:14 pm
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On Nov 21, 9:20 am, lcpltom <lcpl....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wait, so there is a +5 to gathering?  As in 1 enchant gives +5 to
> herbalism, skinning, and mining?  Or are you talking about the old +5
> herbalism, +5 mining, and +5 skinning enchants?
>
> As for the old Outland herbs, taking time out to go gather those
> distracts me from my real goal, experiencing the new content.  I
> played a little over lunch, and got herbalism up to 408.  There is
> noticeably less competition now that everyone has moved on to other
> zones.

+5 to gathering (herbing, skinning and mining) in one enchant. Costs
a few infinite dust, and maybe one or two of the smaller essences.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:17 pm
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On Nov 21, 9:25 am, lcpltom <lcpl... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 8:19 am, Peter T. <usenet170... DeleteThis @hotmail.INVALIDcom> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <8a14aa20-632e-40e5-90fb-b03438515927
> > @v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, lcpl... DeleteThis @yahoo.com says...
>
> > > I have Apothecary's Camp and the Kalu'ak village left to quest in.
> > > That will finish off Howling Fjord for me, then it will be back to
> > > Borean Tundra to finish out all the quests there.  Not sure where I
>
> > When you have done 105 quests in howling fjord you will get an
> > archivement for it.  I got it a minute before I entered UT with a pug +
> > I handed in 2-3 more quests (not UT related) after that.  Around 110
> > quests all i all.  Good luck.
>
> > --
> > Peter T.
>
> > Chup chup chup!
>
> I looked at my achievements today during lunch.  I finished off the
> Apothecary Camp quests and moved down to Kamagua.  It says I've
> completed 77 quests.  That means with Kamagua left, I need 33 more
> quests for the achievement.  At neutral, they only gave me 2 quests.
>
> Do these quests open up into larger quest chains?  Do more quests open
> up with them when I hit friendly?  Or have I missed a major quest hub
> somehow?  I started at Vengeance landing, moved to the area just at
> the top of the lift, then moved to Winterhoof.  While at Winterhoof I
> also did the out of the way quests from that dryad you run across
> while making the run from Winterhoof to Giant's run.  Then I also did
> the quests from the quest givers next to Steel Gate.  After that I
> moved to New Agamand, then just finished Apothecary's camp.  Seems I
> have made a huge circle around the zone, and the only foray into the
> area around Utgarde was when I went to run Utgarde Keep.  Is there a
> quest hub there I am missing, or is it somewhere else?

Doing the two in Kamagua chain out to 3 or 4 quests (shoveltusk bits,
chimera horns, slavers, maybe something else) This opens up a quest
to visit a goblin pirate, who sends you to the pirate island SE of
Kamagua. There's easily 10-15 quests down there, 5 of which are
gathering vyrkul antiquities that you take back to shield hill and
turn in, initiating one or two more Kamagua quests.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:21 pm
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On Nov 21, 2:50 pm, j....TakeThisOut@mail.fiawol.org (J. Cochran) wrote:
> In article <b701ffe4-f3d6-4e2b-8b95-e8ffa8803....TakeThisOut@13g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> lcpltom  <lcpl....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 21, 9:09=A0am, Urbin <ur....TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:41:12 -0800 (PST), lcpltom wrote:
> >> > =A0I had been picking herbs and finally got my herbalism to 400. =A0Pic=
> >ked
> >> > =A0some tiger lily, each giving me 3 failed attempts before success.
>
> >> Hehe, I chafed at not being able to pick tiger lilies and then remembered
> >> that as preparation for WotLK I had camped the vendor in Ashenvale for th=
> >e
> >> leatherworking recipe of "herbalist gloves" or some such. They give you a=
> > +5
> >> bonus on herbalism, together with the +5 enchant that is a nice +10 buff =
> >for
> >> anyone who can wear leather. Dooh. Had my banker send them to my two
> >> herbalists, with 392 and the gloves I got easy pickings and am now at 405=
> > so
> >> my gloves can rest until I find the next level herb which likely won't be
> >> for a while as I have yet a bit to do in the Fjord and all of the Tundra.
>
> >> > =A0That will finish off Howling Fjord for me, then it will be back to
> >> > =A0Borean Tundra to finish out all the quests there.
>
> >> It seems that we are at a similar stage, then Smile
>
> >> > =A0Not sure where I will go from there though.
>
> >> Wouldn't Dragonblight be the logical progression levelwise? On the other
> >> hand, I have now turned 72 in Fjord and expect to be at least 74 by the t=
> >ime
> >> I'm done with the Tundra and guess it will be the same for you, so a trip
> >> straight to the Sholazar Basin (sp?) might be possible... Personally, I'l=
> >l
> >> stick to the "normal" progression in order to be sure that I "cleaned up"
> >> all zones before moving to another one, that will make it easier to come
> >> back and finish all quests at 80 for money.
>
> >> Cheers
> >> Urbin
> >> --
> >> Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)
> >> Urbin =A0 (72), Dwarven Hunter =A0 =A0| Surana =A0 (64), Draenei Mage
> >> Mymule =A0(70), Gnomish Warlock =A0 | Kordosch (5Cool, Human Death Knight
> >> Sunh =A0 =A0(70), Nightelven Priest | Juran =A0 =A0(33), Nightelven Druid
>
> >Unfortunately, my warlock seems to be allergic to leather, so I can't
> >wear the gloves.  Perhaps though I might consider making a pair of
> >frostweave gloves and getting them enchanted with +5 herbalism.  I
> >made a pair of netherweave gloves a while back and had them enchanted
> >with +2 fishing.  Not a huge boost but its enough to get me into
> >fishing in a few places.
>
> Heh. Get the Outfitter addon and place that +5 herbalism enchant on a
> pair of trash white gloves. All my herbalists have a pair of +5 herbalism
> white gloves that are put on and taken off automatically. And I can always
> sell 'em or pass 'em down later.

Only problem with this is I play on a PvP realm. Swapping out to a
pair of white gloves whenever I want to pick herbs would put me in a
bad situation. This is why my fishing gloves are Netherweave gloves,
not totally useless if I need to defend myself and the pool or area I
am trying to fish. Likewise, for herb gloves, I would likely put the
enchant on a pair of frostweave gloves. The stats will be good enough
such that I could defend the herb I am trying to get, rather than
dieing and having the herb taken by someone else.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:22 pm
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On Nov 21, 3:14 pm, Jason Tinling <jason.tinl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 9:20 am, lcpltom <lcpl....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Wait, so there is a +5 to gathering?  As in 1 enchant gives +5 to
> > herbalism, skinning, and mining?  Or are you talking about the old +5
> > herbalism, +5 mining, and +5 skinning enchants?
>
> > As for the old Outland herbs, taking time out to go gather those
> > distracts me from my real goal, experiencing the new content.  I
> > played a little over lunch, and got herbalism up to 408.  There is
> > noticeably less competition now that everyone has moved on to other
> > zones.
>
> +5 to gathering (herbing, skinning and mining) in one enchant.  Costs
> a few infinite dust, and maybe one or two of the smaller essences.

Would be nice if they included fishing in that. I mean, technically
fishing is a gathering profession.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:26 pm
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lcpltom wrote:
> On Nov 21, 11:18 am, Jason Tinling <jason.tinl....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 21, 6:27 am, lcpltom <lcpl....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, my warlock seems to be allergic to leather, so I can't
>>> wear the gloves. Perhaps though I might consider making a pair of
>>> frostweave gloves and getting them enchanted with +5 herbalism. I
>>> made a pair of netherweave gloves a while back and had them enchanted
>>> with +2 fishing. Not a huge boost but its enough to get me into
>>> fishing in a few places.
>> Get the new +5 gathering enchant...give your friendly neighborhood
>> enchanter a skill point Wink
>>
>> Also, you can skill up to 425 herbalism on Netherbloom/Mana Thistle/
>> Nightmare Vine...and no competition!
>
> Wait, so there is a +5 to gathering? As in 1 enchant gives +5 to
> herbalism, skinning, and mining? Or are you talking about the old +5
> herbalism, +5 mining, and +5 skinning enchants?
>
> As for the old Outland herbs, taking time out to go gather those
> distracts me from my real goal, experiencing the new content. I
> played a little over lunch, and got herbalism up to 408. There is
> noticeably less competition now that everyone has moved on to other
> zones.

Yes, there is a new REAL cheap to do enchant that does +5 to all
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:26 pm
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In article <4c41180b-4589-493b-8a8c-
e889cde9fbfe.DeleteThis@k41g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, lcpltom.DeleteThis@yahoo.com says...

> Do these quests open up into larger quest chains?

Atm nope. At least I dont think so. But my mage is level 74 atm, so
only around level 80 players can answer your question.

> Do more quests open
> up with them when I hit friendly?

Dunno. I haven't visited the fjord since I moved to borean after
completing UK 3-4 days ago. But I think there was a greyed out
exclamation mark at a questgiver in the first town to east in howling
fjord when I left that zone. I will visit the town later tonight
depending on my girlfriend's mood tonight (and she looks tired). Wink

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:26 pm
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In article <0c3e3da7-2ba1-49aa-a414-
6b27ed839edc DeleteThis @j32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, lcpltom DeleteThis @yahoo.com says...

> Wait, so there is a +5 to gathering?

You will hit 450 in herbalism before you even know it. Coldclower and
Tiger Lily will make you there (tiger lily from 400). Herbalism was
maxed out here shortly after my mage hit level 72 in howling fjord.

Peter T.

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:26 pm
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On 21 Nov 2008 14:09:50 GMT, Urbin <urbin.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Wouldn't Dragonblight be the logical progression levelwise? On the other
>hand, I have now turned 72 in Fjord and expect to be at least 74 by the time
>I'm done with the Tundra and guess it will be the same for you, so a trip
>straight to the Sholazar Basin (sp?) might be possible... Personally, I'll
>stick to the "normal" progression in order to be sure that I "cleaned up"
>all zones before moving to another one, that will make it easier to come
>back and finish all quests at 80 for money.

Levelwise Dragonblight is the logical next step, yes - it's about lvl
72-75. Grizzly Hills is about 74-76 and ZulDrak 75-77, don't bother with
Sholazar until 76 because you won't find any available quests Wink
Personally I dinged 80 in ZulDrak and still had 3 levels left untouched,
so if you do everything along the way you may find yourself a bit
overlevel for quests after a while (which didn't bother me since I'm
levelling holy and perfectly happy to have my targets slightly below my
level for the sake of not having to drink every 3 mobs!)
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Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
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Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:26 pm
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:25:13 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcpltom DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I looked at my achievements today during lunch. I finished off the
>Apothecary Camp quests and moved down to Kamagua. It says I've
>completed 77 quests. That means with Kamagua left, I need 33 more
>quests for the achievement. At neutral, they only gave me 2 quests.
>
>Do these quests open up into larger quest chains? Do more quests open
>up with them when I hit friendly? Or have I missed a major quest hub
>somehow? I started at Vengeance landing, moved to the area just at
>the top of the lift, then moved to Winterhoof. While at Winterhoof I
>also did the out of the way quests from that dryad you run across
>while making the run from Winterhoof to Giant's run. Then I also did
>the quests from the quest givers next to Steel Gate. After that I
>moved to New Agamand, then just finished Apothecary's camp. Seems I
>have made a huge circle around the zone, and the only foray into the
>area around Utgarde was when I went to run Utgarde Keep. Is there a
>quest hub there I am missing, or is it somewhere else?

There's quite a lot of quests down at Kamagua, a chain there sends you
off to a pirate camp nearby which has a bunch of quests, so you'll
probably find that takes you pretty near. Only other thing you may have
missed is 2 quests just south of nifflevar... otherwise everything's in
the camps or connected to chains where you can't miss them.
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Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:26 pm
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:31:23 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcpltom.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I'm trying to remember, out of all the valkyr towns, where Nifflevar
>is.

On the eastern side of the zone, south of the quests at the top of the
lift after you leave Vengeance Landing.
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Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Buinne (70 Troll Shaman)
Tairbh (70 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
Beag (60 Dwarf Paladin)
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:26 pm
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:46:57 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcpltom RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 21, 1:41 pm, Catriona R <catrionarNOS... RemoveThis @totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:31:23 -0800 (PST), lcpltom <lcpl... RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm trying to remember, out of all the valkyr towns, where Nifflevar
>> >is.
>>
>> On the eastern side of the zone, south of the quests at the top of the
>> lift after you leave Vengeance Landing.
>
>
>Ok, I definitely think I missed those then, will have to head back
>that way when I get a chance.

Btw one I only just discovered that I missed first time, there's a giatn
tree wandering around Ember Clutch who gives one... many thanks to the
JC daily that sent me back there, and made me wonder wtf a tree was
doing in that particular area Wink
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Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Buinne (70 Troll Shaman)
Tairbh (70 Tauren Druid)
Balgair (70 Human Rogue)
Naomh (70 Draenei Priest)
Rosad (70 Human Warlock)
Sealgair (70 Dwarf Hunter)
Beag (60 Dwarf Paladin)
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:50 pm
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In article <b701ffe4-f3d6-4e2b-8b95-e8ffa880366e RemoveThis @13g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
lcpltom <lcpltom RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 21, 9:09=A0am, Urbin <ur... RemoveThis @invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:41:12 -0800 (PST), lcpltom wrote:
>> > =A0I had been picking herbs and finally got my herbalism to 400. =A0Pic=
>ked
>> > =A0some tiger lily, each giving me 3 failed attempts before success.
>>
>> Hehe, I chafed at not being able to pick tiger lilies and then remembered
>> that as preparation for WotLK I had camped the vendor in Ashenvale for th=
>e
>> leatherworking recipe of "herbalist gloves" or some such. They give you a=
> +5
>> bonus on herbalism, together with the +5 enchant that is a nice +10 buff =
>for
>> anyone who can wear leather. Dooh. Had my banker send them to my two
>> herbalists, with 392 and the gloves I got easy pickings and am now at 405=
> so
>> my gloves can rest until I find the next level herb which likely won't be
>> for a while as I have yet a bit to do in the Fjord and all of the Tundra.
>>
>> > =A0That will finish off Howling Fjord for me, then it will be back to
>> > =A0Borean Tundra to finish out all the quests there.
>>
>> It seems that we are at a similar stage, then Smile
>>
>> > =A0Not sure where I will go from there though.
>>
>> Wouldn't Dragonblight be the logical progression levelwise? On the other
>> hand, I have now turned 72 in Fjord and expect to be at least 74 by the t=
>ime
>> I'm done with the Tundra and guess it will be the same for you, so a trip
>> straight to the Sholazar Basin (sp?) might be possible... Personally, I'l=
>l
>> stick to the "normal" progression in order to be sure that I "cleaned up"
>> all zones before moving to another one, that will make it easier to come
>> back and finish all quests at 80 for money.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Urbin
>> --
>> Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)
>> Urbin =A0 (72), Dwarven Hunter =A0 =A0| Surana =A0 (64), Draenei Mage
>> Mymule =A0(70), Gnomish Warlock =A0 | Kordosch (5Cool, Human Death Knight
>> Sunh =A0 =A0(70), Nightelven Priest | Juran =A0 =A0(33), Nightelven Druid
>
>Unfortunately, my warlock seems to be allergic to leather, so I can't
>wear the gloves. Perhaps though I might consider making a pair of
>frostweave gloves and getting them enchanted with +5 herbalism. I
>made a pair of netherweave gloves a while back and had them enchanted
>with +2 fishing. Not a huge boost but its enough to get me into
>fishing in a few places.

Heh. Get the Outfitter addon and place that +5 herbalism enchant on a
pair of trash white gloves. All my herbalists have a pair of +5 herbalism
white gloves that are put on and taken off automatically. And I can always
sell 'em or pass 'em down later.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:25 am
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lcpltom wrote:
> I looked at my achievements today during lunch. I finished off the
> Apothecary Camp quests and moved down to Kamagua. It says I've
> completed 77 quests. That means with Kamagua left, I need 33 more
> quests for the achievement. At neutral, they only gave me 2 quests.
>
> Do these quests open up into larger quest chains? Do more quests open
> up with them when I hit friendly? Or have I missed a major quest hub
> somehow? I started at Vengeance landing, moved to the area just at
> the top of the lift, then moved to Winterhoof. While at Winterhoof I
> also did the out of the way quests from that dryad you run across
> while making the run from Winterhoof to Giant's run. Then I also did
> the quests from the quest givers next to Steel Gate. After that I
> moved to New Agamand, then just finished Apothecary's camp. Seems I
> have made a huge circle around the zone, and the only foray into the
> area around Utgarde was when I went to run Utgarde Keep. Is there a
> quest hub there I am missing, or is it somewhere else?

More quests become available in Kamagua after you do the first two.
You get sent to a pirate hideout (Scalawag) with at least a dozen more
quests. I did about the same quest hubs as you (except I did
Apothecary's Camp before New Agamand) and got the achievement with
about 3 quests left.

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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:01 am
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> I then got a quest that gave me a worg disguise.  When in the
> disguise, my run speed was increased by 80%, I felt like a shaman.
> Also, it makes most of the local worgs friendly to you.  Following
> that chain, I finally faced off with a white worg, and halfway through
> the fight he turned into a worgen.  I think this is great, I already
> get to see part of the Arugal quest chain.  I kill the worgen, turn in
> the quest.... and thats it.  No continuation in the chain.  No 'wtf
> was that?! warlock, go find where these worgen are coming from',
> nothing.

I did the Alliance version of this quest - it seems quite similar.
But I didn't turn it in, so I can run around Howling Fjord as a worg
whenever I like (it works all over the zone).

I found 132 quests, so I still got the 130-quest achievement despite
this and the bugged flying machine quest (don't know if Horde get that
one).

- Gerry Quinn
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