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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:44 am
Post subject: Heroic Talon King Ikiss is a Big Fat Cheater!!!!
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Freeking idiot Ikiss.
He must have been real pissed that we kicked his ass the other night.
So what does he do last night?
He cheats!!
LOSER!!!
CHEATER!!!
Heroic Talon King Ikiss, I hereby accuse you of the following
Sheeping the wrong target
Dumping Aggro when it is not the time for it to be dumped
Aggroing the wrong target after the Arcane Blast namely one that is
definitely not the one who should be getting aggroed after the Arcane
Blast because the one who should be getting aggroed was doing an
appropriate action in order to get aggroed while the one who got
aggroed was doing nothing and never should have gotten aggroed.
Using Hacks so that his Arcane Blast will go around corners and damage
a party member who is standing in a safe spot right next to another
two party members who happen to also be in a safe spot and they do not
take any damage from the Arcane Blast becasue they are shielded by a
wall and so should the person who did end up taking damage as if he
were standing right next to King Ikiss but then what the hell does a
cheater care about if he has to cheat to win.
Not staying set in one place upon channeling energy for the Arcane
Blast but moving to a new location so that his Blast will damage party
members who are in a safe place and who are obviously on a roll and
are going to take him down but he knows this and so he has to cheat in
order to prevent them from killing him.
Talon King Ikiss you are a big fat cheater and you probably lie
through your skin and teeth and now I must say this:
Now it is personal.
Get ready for your comeuppance BAITCH!!
OH! OH! OH!
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:30 am
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On Jan 17, 9:44 am, Orion Ryder <orionry....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Freeking idiot Ikiss.
>
> He must have been real pissed that we kicked his ass the other night.
>
> So what does he do last night?
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> He cheats!!
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> LOSER!!!
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> CHEATER!!!
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> Heroic Talon King Ikiss, I hereby accuse you of the following
>
> Sheeping the wrong target
>
> Dumping Aggro when it is not the time for it to be dumped
>
> Aggroing the wrong target after the Arcane Blast namely one that is
> definitely not the one who should be getting aggroed after the Arcane
> Blast because the one who should be getting aggroed was doing an
> appropriate action in order to get aggroed while the one who got
> aggroed was doing nothing and never should have gotten aggroed.
>
> Using Hacks so that his Arcane Blast will go around corners and damage
> a party member who is standing in a safe spot right next to another
> two party members who happen to also be in a safe spot and they do not
> take any damage from the Arcane Blast becasue they are shielded by a
> wall and so should the person who did end up taking damage as if he
> were standing right next to King Ikiss but then what the hell does a
> cheater care about if he has to cheat to win.
>
> Not staying set in one place upon channeling energy for the Arcane
> Blast but moving to a new location so that his Blast will damage party
> members who are in a safe place and who are obviously on a roll and
> are going to take him down but he knows this and so he has to cheat in
> order to prevent them from killing him.
>
> Talon King Ikiss you are a big fat cheater and you probably lie
> through your skin and teeth and now I must say this:
>
> Now it is personal.
>
> Get ready for your comeuppance BAITCH!!
>
> OH! OH! OH!
>
> Orion
LOL, yeah, this guy is a bitch on heroic.
He blinks before channeling for the Arcane blast. We made 3 attempts
at this guy, with the 3rd being successful. But on that 3rd attempt
he blinked on top of me and hit me with some slowing spell. I was
unable to get to safety before the explosion. I died.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:38 pm
Post subject: Vazruden Too! (Re: Heroic Talon King Ikiss is a Big Fat Cheater!!!!) [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Sheeping the wrong target
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> Dumping Aggro when it is not the time for it to be dumped
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> Aggroing the wrong target after the Arcane Blast namely one that is
> definitely not the one who should be getting aggroed after the Arcane
Along similar lines, ...
Has anyone else noticed a recent change in Vazruden (Ramparts). We ran both
regular and Heroic ramps 2 days ago and in both instances Vazruden aggro'd on
and attacked the healers for no reason. I'm not talking about the usual
lobbing fireballs and dragonbreath around, but rather that he clearly left
the tank and charged after the healer. We've run ramps dozens of times and
this has bot been a problem for us before.
I wonder if Blizzard is monkeying around with aggro rules on the bosses?
In my last Kara run, I had netherspite repeatedly charge me (warlock) and
bite my head off with a 20k crit. That's probably just do to poor aggro
control on my part as netherspite is a fight that I have very little
experience with, but the Vazruden thing, on the other hand, was just plain
weird.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:38 pm
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In article <fmoaqt0clu.DeleteThis@news1.newsguy.com>, kerri.DeleteThis@spamsucks.com wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed a recent change in Vazruden (Ramparts). We ran both
> regular and Heroic ramps 2 days ago and in both instances Vazruden aggro'd on
> and attacked the healers for no reason. I'm not talking about the usual
> lobbing fireballs and dragonbreath around, but rather that he clearly left
> the tank and charged after the healer. We've run ramps dozens of times and
> this has bot been a problem for us before.
This was happening to us too, last Friday. Vaz landed and made a
beeline for the healer. I don't remember that happening the last time I
was there (which was a long time ago, I admit).
> I wonder if Blizzard is monkeying around with aggro rules on the bosses?
The theory we had was that the (pally) tank wasn't building threat
against Vaz, but the healer was because she was healing the tank during
the Nazan fight.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:17 pm
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In <fmoaqt0clu.DeleteThis@news1.newsguy.com> kerri.DeleteThis@spamsucks.com writes:
> In my last Kara run, I had netherspite repeatedly charge me (warlock) and
> bite my head off with a 20k crit.
Three possible reasons:
1. You attacked before the red beam was active. Your fault.
2. You stood in the red beam. Your fault.
3. Nobody was standing in the red beam. Tank's fault.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:16 pm
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> 1. You attacked before the red beam was active. Your fault.
> 2. You stood in the red beam. Your fault.
> 3. Nobody was standing in the red beam. Tank's fault.
It was happening right at the end of the banish phase, before the portals
opened back up (or as the portals were opening up, but before the tank was in
place to block the red beam; I'm not sure).
After reading through wowwiki, I think the problem may be that I had DOTs on
him during banish that are still ticking when banish ends. According to
Wowwiki, there is a 10-second window after banish ends where he resets his
aggro table and will attack the person with top aggro before the red beam
comes up. I'm guessing that's where I screwed up and pulled aggro.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:31 pm
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John Gordon <gordon.TakeThisOut@panix.com> writes:
>1. You attacked before the red beam was active. Your fault.
>2. You stood in the red beam. Your fault.
>3. Nobody was standing in the red beam. Tank's fault.
Yup. Whoever is in the red beam has unshakable aggro unless they die. One
of my favorite tricks when I'm on blue-beam duty is dropping a curse of
doom a second or two before the phase ends - it goes off a few seconds
after a tank must have the beam or it would be a wipe anyway. The damage
makes landing a doom during a curator evocation look like peanuts. *
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:27 am
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> The theory we had was that the (pally) tank wasn't building threat
> against Vaz, but the healer was because she was healing the tank during
> the Nazan fight.
It happened to us in the middle of the fight with Vaz (both times, I think).
Our pally tank has a lot of experience with this fight, which is why it
seemed so odd.
Furthermore, during the non-heroic run we were running through some lowbie
healers, mostly around level 60-62. The tank and I were both 70s and I was
spamming my shadowbolts on him as fast and hard as I can, so you'd think if
anyone out-aggro'd the tank it would have been me.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:35 am
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> of my favorite tricks when I'm on blue-beam duty is dropping a curse of
> doom a second or two before the phase ends - it goes off a few seconds
I've done this too. Actually I'm usually a little late with the curse, but
the buff seems to remain in effect just long enough even when I am sloppy.
Usually I'll hit him for something in the low 20k range, but I think I had a
crit once that was significantly higher (if memory serves, around 40k, is
that possible?)
My biggest problem is accidentally overwriting the CoD with a CoS or CoA
during the next portal phase as my Curse/Corrupt/Lifetap sequence is so
burned into my mind it is hard not to do it.
That fight (as well as Illhoof) almost seems like it was made for a pair of
warlocks...
We need a warlock healing pet, then I could see some interesting 10-warlock
raids going on (come on, Blizz, you've given us everything else!!!)
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:29 am
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On Jan 17, 7:27 pm, ke....TakeThisOut@spamsucks.com wrote:
> > The theory we had was that the (pally) tank wasn't building threat
> > against Vaz, but the healer was because she was healing the tank during
> > the Nazan fight.
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> It happened to us in the middle of the fight with Vaz (both times, I think).
> Our pally tank has a lot of experience with this fight, which is why it
> seemed so odd.
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> Furthermore, during the non-heroic run we were running through some lowbie
> healers, mostly around level 60-62. The tank and I were both 70s and I was
> spamming my shadowbolts on him as fast and hard as I can, so you'd think if
> anyone out-aggro'd the tank it would have been me.
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Threat and aggro work a little differently than that.
If you are spamming shadow bolts at a target, you are building threat
on that target only. Think of it as direct threat.
Healers on the other hand don't actually attack a target, their threat
is generated through their healing of the tank. This threat works
more like an AoE, building threat with any target that happens to be
in combat.
This is why it is so common for a mob to peel off the tank and head
straight for the healer on multi-mob-tanking fights. If the tank
fails to build enough threat against all the targets, one can split
off and go after the healer. DPS are generally safe on these fights
so long as they focus their DPS on the targets they are supposed to be
attacking.
As for Vaz, its possible that pre-2.3.2 he didn't collect threat while
he was still flying, and only started collecting threat once he
landed. A possible undocumented or unintended change to the event may
have made him start collecting threat while still in the air. Since
the only threat he will be collecting would be from the healer, once
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:20 am
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<kerri.RemoveThis@spamsucks.com> wrote in message news:fmogj10k80@news5.newsguy.com...
>> 1. You attacked before the red beam was active. Your fault.
>> 2. You stood in the red beam. Your fault.
>> 3. Nobody was standing in the red beam. Tank's fault.
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> It was happening right at the end of the banish phase, before the portals
> opened back up (or as the portals were opening up, but before the tank was
> in
> place to block the red beam; I'm not sure).
>
> After reading through wowwiki, I think the problem may be that I had DOTs
> on
> him during banish that are still ticking when banish ends. According to
> Wowwiki, there is a 10-second window after banish ends where he resets his
> aggro table and will attack the person with top aggro before the red beam
> comes up. I'm guessing that's where I screwed up and pulled aggro.
>
We just keep attacking him in the banished phase and then adjust positions
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:46 pm
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kerri RemoveThis @spamsucks.com writes:
>Usually I'll hit him for something in the low 20k range, but I think I had a
>crit once that was significantly higher (if memory serves, around 40k, is
>that possible?)
Yep. I've broken 50k, and I don't have double crits.
>My biggest problem is accidentally overwriting the CoD with a CoS or CoA
>during the next portal phase as my Curse/Corrupt/Lifetap sequence is so
>burned into my mind it is hard not to do it.
Yeah, done that! Frustrating.
>That fight (as well as Illhoof) almost seems like it was made for a pair of
>warlocks...
On the blue beam, for sure - it has 'drain life while surfing the web
during your phase' written all over it.
>We need a warlock healing pet, then I could see some interesting 10-warlock
>raids going on (come on, Blizz, you've given us everything else!!!)
Oh dear lord, don't even SAY stuff like that. We've been nerfed enough
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:04 am
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In article <08a9p3h1rke4jf1qu6pfpg78h26boleasv.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
Barry Freeman <bazz.DeleteThis@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been running Ramaprts (normal) on my 64 Holy Priest off and on
> for a few weeks.
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> Just recently, Vaz dismounts and does his speech, the tank picks him
> up and all goes as normal unitl Naz descends. At that point, the damn
> dragon attacks me and one-shot and I'm an angel.
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> I'm nowhere on the threat meter...having kept the tank up on renews
> and a couple of flash heals.
The threat meter is per-mob. The tank might have 30k threat on Vazruden
but 0 on Nazan.
> I don't get aggroed from Vaz, though, just the dragon. verified on
> three separate runs.. Finally, the only way I can survive is *as soon*
> as I see the text "Nazan Descends" I hit fade, PW:Shield and a threat
> reduction trinket.
> *Then* the tank can pick up the dragon.
This encounter is much like Nightbane in Karazhan -- the dragon lands
with a blank threat table and will aggro the slightest thing, like a
Renew or a Bloodrage. It helps enormously if all healing and buffing is
stopped for a few seconds when the dragon lands (and no HoTs are
ticking) but it's mostly up to the tank to be paying attention and have
Intervene hot-keyed.
I suffered through a Nazan wipefest recently where our tank never used
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:23 pm
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On 17 Jan 2008 19:38:05 GMT, kerri RemoveThis @spamsucks.com wrote:
>Has anyone else noticed a recent change in Vazruden (Ramparts). We ran both
>regular and Heroic ramps 2 days ago and in both instances Vazruden aggro'd on
>and attacked the healers for no reason. I'm not talking about the usual
>lobbing fireballs and dragonbreath around, but rather that he clearly left
>the tank and charged after the healer. We've run ramps dozens of times and
>this has bot been a problem for us before.
/concur
I've been running Ramaprts (normal) on my 64 Holy Priest off and on
for a few weeks.
Just recently, Vaz dismounts and does his speech, the tank picks him
up and all goes as normal unitl Naz descends. At that point, the damn
dragon attacks me and one-shot and I'm an angel.
I'm nowhere on the threat meter...having kept the tank up on renews
and a couple of flash heals.
I don't get aggroed from Vaz, though, just the dragon. verified on
three separate runs.. Finally, the only way I can survive is *as soon*
as I see the text "Nazan Descends" I hit fade, PW:Shield and a threat
reduction trinket.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:16 pm
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Barry Freeman <bazz DeleteThis @nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>On 17 Jan 2008 19:38:05 GMT, kerri DeleteThis @spamsucks.com wrote:
>>Has anyone else noticed a recent change in Vazruden (Ramparts). We ran both
>>regular and Heroic ramps 2 days ago and in both instances Vazruden aggro'd on
>>and attacked the healers for no reason. I'm not talking about the usual
>>lobbing fireballs and dragonbreath around, but rather that he clearly left
>>the tank and charged after the healer. We've run ramps dozens of times and
>>this has bot been a problem for us before.
>
>/concur
>
>I've been running Ramaprts (normal) on my 64 Holy Priest off and on
>for a few weeks.
>
>Just recently, Vaz dismounts and does his speech, the tank picks him
>up and all goes as normal unitl Naz descends. At that point, the damn
>dragon attacks me and one-shot and I'm an angel.
>
>I'm nowhere on the threat meter...having kept the tank up on renews
>and a couple of flash heals.
A wild guess - a renew ticking on Vaz just as the dragon descends
puts you first on the dragon's threat list in ye olde 'you healed my
friend!' style?
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