Hero System 5th Edition question

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:36:08 +0200, "Peter Knutsen (usenet)"
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>Page 299 of Hero System 5th Edition, Revised:
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>(-3/4) does no Stun
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>Can this be put on RKAs?

Yes.

>Is it abusive to do so?

No. If you roll the maximum stun multiplier on an RKA you can put
down an opponent who has no resistant defenses with amazing speed.
Often versus an opponent with resistant defences, you can shoot a
character with your RKA all day without killing him, but you can knock
him unconscious.

After all, the purpose
>of an RKA isn't to Stun people but to kill them. So I'm not sure.

The purpose of an RKA is to represent attacks that can't be relied
upon to incapacitate without killing. That doesn't mean
incapacitation isn't an option.

>
>Actually, I'm not even sure what that specific Limitation is intended
>for. Is it for Killing Attacks? I can't imagine what else it might be for...

Yes, it is primarily for Killing Attacks.
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David Johnston <rgorman.DeleteThis@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:36:08 +0200, "Peter Knutsen (usenet)"
><peter.DeleteThis@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Page 299 of Hero System 5th Edition, Revised:
>>
>>(-3/4) does no Stun
>>
>>Can this be put on RKAs?
>
> Yes.
>
>>Is it abusive to do so?
>
> No. If you roll the maximum stun multiplier on an RKA you can put
> down an opponent who has no resistant defenses with amazing speed.
> Often versus an opponent with resistant defences, you can shoot a
> character with your RKA all day without killing him, but you can knock
> him unconscious.

Indeed. HERO system is largely set up to knock people out rather than
kill them. You *can* kill, but as I recall most people will go down
unconscious before you kill them.


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James Stafford wrote:
> anything can be abusive or fair depending on the g.m., and that would
> be great to make a chemical agent(add invisable power effect) thats
> klling someone without symptoms.

Laser Beam: RKA 4d6 (60 Active Points), (-1/4) Beam, (-1/4) No
Knockback, (-3/4) No Stun, special effect: Laser cauterizes wounds, so
that they do not bleed (if the GM is using any optional bleeding rules).

6 END per usage. Costs 27 Real Points.

To give one example.

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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:54:10 +0200, "Peter Knutsen (usenet)"
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>James Stafford wrote:
>> anything can be abusive or fair depending on the g.m., and that would
>> be great to make a chemical agent(add invisable power effect) thats
>> klling someone without symptoms.
>
>Laser Beam: RKA 4d6 (60 Active Points), (-1/4) Beam, (-1/4) No
>Knockback, (-3/4) No Stun, special effect: Laser cauterizes wounds, so
>that they do not bleed (if the GM is using any optional bleeding rules).
>
>6 END per usage. Costs 27 Real Points.
>
>To give one example.

Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
through people without inflicting pain.
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"David Johnston" <rgorman.RemoveThis@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:54:10 +0200, "Peter Knutsen (usenet)"
> <peter.RemoveThis@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>James Stafford wrote:
>>> anything can be abusive or fair depending on the g.m., and that would
>>> be great to make a chemical agent(add invisable power effect) thats
>>> klling someone without symptoms.
>>
>>Laser Beam: RKA 4d6 (60 Active Points), (-1/4) Beam, (-1/4) No
>>Knockback, (-3/4) No Stun, special effect: Laser cauterizes wounds, so
>>that they do not bleed (if the GM is using any optional bleeding rules).
>>
>>6 END per usage. Costs 27 Real Points.
>>
>>To give one example.
>
> Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
> through people without inflicting pain.

I've had laser sugary to my eyes with no pain
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Doug Hosford <doughosford.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
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>> Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
>> through people without inflicting pain.

>I've had laser sugary to my eyes with no pain

To be fair, though, that'd be a 1/10th of a pip RKA, not a
4 or 5d6. I'm not sure the no pain thing would scale up well.

On the other hand, I know that burn victims often don't feel
pain from their wounds because the nerves are destroyed. They'd
feel the initial pain, but you can work around that with a
sufficiently pseudo-scientific special effect.

And for a power simulating a "regular" laser, there's no reason
it couldn't cause pain, just not enough to take away Stun points.
You'd still feel it burning into you, it just wouldn't be enough
to impair you or knock you out. Kind of like a punch that doesn't
do more damage than your PD can handle would still be felt, and
might even hurt a little bit. If we're talking about a power with
invisible power effects or something, that obviously wouldn't
work. In general, though, I could handle it no problem.

Pete
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"Doug Hosford" <doughosford.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in news:ld8Ge.22119
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>> Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
>> through people without inflicting pain.
>
> I've had laser sugary to my eyes with no pain
>
>

Oh,well, of course then, laser eye sugary(sic) is the same as a
laser burning through a person.

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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:03:16 -0700, "Doug Hosford"
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>"David Johnston" <rgorman.TakeThisOut@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:54:10 +0200, "Peter Knutsen (usenet)"
>> <peter.TakeThisOut@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>James Stafford wrote:
>>>> anything can be abusive or fair depending on the g.m., and that would
>>>> be great to make a chemical agent(add invisable power effect) thats
>>>> klling someone without symptoms.
>>>
>>>Laser Beam: RKA 4d6 (60 Active Points), (-1/4) Beam, (-1/4) No
>>>Knockback, (-3/4) No Stun, special effect: Laser cauterizes wounds, so
>>>that they do not bleed (if the GM is using any optional bleeding rules).
>>>
>>>6 END per usage. Costs 27 Real Points.
>>>
>>>To give one example.
>>
>> Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
>> through people without inflicting pain.
>
>I've had laser sugary to my eyes with no pain

That's because you have no nerve endings in your cornea.
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Peter Meilinger <mellnger.DeleteThis@bu.edu> wrote:
> Doug Hosford <doughosford.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
>>"David Johnston" <rgorman.DeleteThis@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
>>news:42e7ce03.5736878@news.telusplanet.net...
>
>>> Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
>>> through people without inflicting pain.
>
>>I've had laser sugary to my eyes with no pain
>
> To be fair, though, that'd be a 1/10th of a pip RKA, not a
> 4 or 5d6. I'm not sure the no pain thing would scale up well.
>
> On the other hand, I know that burn victims often don't feel
> pain from their wounds because the nerves are destroyed. They'd
> feel the initial pain, but you can work around that with a
> sufficiently pseudo-scientific special effect.

Endorphins. Shock.

You can be pretty heinously injured 'without feeling it'... until you
find out about it.


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David Johnston <rgorman.TakeThisOut@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:03:16 -0700, "Doug Hosford"
><doughosford.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote:
>>"David Johnston" <rgorman.TakeThisOut@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
>>news:42e7ce03.5736878@news.telusplanet.net...
>>>
>>> Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
>>> through people without inflicting pain.
>>
>>I've had laser sugary to my eyes with no pain
>
> That's because you have no nerve endings in your cornea.

No pain receptors, surely. If you didn't have any nerve endings in your
cornea it wouldn't *work*.


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No nerve endings or nerves in the cornea, which is the transparent
covering on the outside of the lens. As you go back, you then reach the
lens of the eye, then the eyeball, then the blood vessels that service the
retina, and finally the nerves that detect light. Notice the retina is
behind something partly opaque, cutting its efficiency markedly, and, no,
this was not necessary, because you can find living creatures with the
retinal cells in front of their blood vessels. The order in man is a good
example of incompetent design theory.

Coming back on topic, noting the issues 'does no stun', consider the
advantage 'takes no stun', perhaps with stun converting to body.

The idea dismayed the GM.

The players agreed it was reasonable, when I noted the genre example, the
number of mummies in 30s films, which take enormous body damage without
slowing down.

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Keith Davies wrote:

> David Johnston <rgorman RemoveThis @telusplanet.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:03:16 -0700, "Doug Hosford"
> ><doughosford RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote:
> >>"David Johnston" <rgorman RemoveThis @telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> >>news:42e7ce03.5736878@news.telusplanet.net...
> >>>
> >>> Well, it's pretty unbelievable that a laser could burn it's way
> >>> through people without inflicting pain.
> >>
> >>I've had laser sugary to my eyes with no pain
> >
> > That's because you have no nerve endings in your cornea.
>
> No pain receptors, surely. If you didn't have any nerve endings in your
> cornea it wouldn't *work*.
>
>
> Keith
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In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0507292015360.7802-100000.DeleteThis@ccc1.wpi.edu>,
"George D. Phillies" <phillies.DeleteThis@WPI.EDU> wrote:

> Coming back on topic, noting the issues 'does no stun', consider the
> advantage 'takes no stun', perhaps with stun converting to body.
>
> The idea dismayed the GM.
>
> The players agreed it was reasonable, when I noted the genre example, the
> number of mummies in 30s films, which take enormous body damage without
> slowing down.

"Takes no STUN" is one of the automaton powers.

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George D. Phillies <phillies.TakeThisOut@WPI.EDU> wrote:
> No nerve endings or nerves in the cornea, which is the transparent
> covering on the outside of the lens. As you go back, you then reach the
> lens of the eye, then the eyeball, then the blood vessels that service the
> retina, and finally the nerves that detect light. Notice the retina is
> behind something partly opaque, cutting its efficiency markedly, and, no,
> this was not necessary, because you can find living creatures with the
> retinal cells in front of their blood vessels. The order in man is a good
> example of incompetent design theory.

Retina! I was thinking of the wrong end of the eyeball.


Keith
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