Happyness calculation

Toni wrote:
> Hi Stephan,

That is, Ingo, Heiko, ][avok, Maurits, Patrick, Ricki and so on may not
answer?

> + Natives, THost:
> Trunc(500 + 50*SPI - 85*NativeTax - (Mines+Factories) DIV 2
> - Sqrt(Natives)) DIV 100
> plus 10 for Avians

Right.

> here is example what i get to work for some NativeGovs
>
> Let there following values are
> p->GetNativeGov() = 7 "representative"
> p->GetMines() = 100
> p->GetFactories() = 100
> p->GetTaxNatives() = 11
> p->GetNativesClans() = 93967

Trunc(500 + 50*7 - 85*11 - (100+100) DIV 2 - sqrt(93967)) DIV 100
= Trunc(500 + 350 - 935 - 100 - 306.5) DIV 100
= -492 DIV 100
= -4

PCC agrees with me (i.e. no typo in my calculation here) and I have no
evidence that it's wrong.

> if(p->GetNativeGov() == AVIANS) bonus = 10;
> double a = 500 + 50 * ((double)SPI[p->GetNativeGoverment()]/100);
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No need to index through the array. Use the Native Government value as-is.

> Planet temperature dont involve native calculations ?

No. Natives were born on the planet, and are used to its temperature.

> And i've noticed when some planets are mined to the end, same tax give more
> penalty ?

Just because planets that are mined out usually have a high number of mines.


Stefan
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

"Stefan Reuther"
> Toni wrote:
> That is, Ingo, Heiko, ][avok, Maurits, Patrick, Ricki and so on may not
> answer?
well perhaps they can, but they r not good as u r


>> + Natives, THost:
>> Trunc(500 + 50*SPI - 85*NativeTax - (Mines+Factories) DIV 2
>> - Sqrt(Natives)) DIV 100
>> plus 10 for Avians
>
> Right.
>
>> here is example what i get to work for some NativeGovs
>>
>> Let there following values are
>> p->GetNativeGov() = 7 "representative"
>> p->GetMines() = 100
>> p->GetFactories() = 100
>> p->GetTaxNatives() = 11
>> p->GetNativesClans() = 93967
>
> Trunc(500 + 50*7 - 85*11 - (100+100) DIV 2 - sqrt(93967)) DIV 100
> = Trunc(500 + 350 - 935 - 100 - 306.5) DIV 100
> = -492 DIV 100
> = -4
>
> PCC agrees with me (i.e. no typo in my calculation here) and I have no
> evidence that it's wrong.

-4 is also wrong
WinPlan and Tim result say that is -3


>> if(p->GetNativeGov() == AVIANS) bonus = 10;
>> double a = 500 + 50 * ((double)SPI[p->GetNativeGoverment()]/100);
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> No need to index through the array. Use the Native Government value as-is.
No i cant, if u put there like 140 happyness is way too high, and my program
tax them to riot.
Like i say its not 100% = 140 / 100 = 1.4 %
so 100 * 1.4 = 140 right ?

> No. Natives were born on the planet, and are used to its temperature.
>> And i've noticed when some planets are mined to the end, same tax give
>> more
>> penalty ?
>
> Just because planets that are mined out usually have a high number of
> mines.

No i dont do that mistake on games
I got my universal own economy plans.

i dont got like 200 mines on every planet.
I like Colonist more
And their grown rates.

-Toni
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

And this happyness calculation is pure Native only
On colonist that formula what u have gave, works great !

-Toni
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

+ remark dFens post ?
They change that formula aswell

-Toni
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

Toni wrote:
> "Stefan Reuther"
>> Trunc(500 + 50*7 - 85*11 - (100+100) DIV 2 - sqrt(93967)) DIV 100
>>= Trunc(500 + 350 - 935 - 100 - 306.5) DIV 100
>>= -492 DIV 100
>>= -4
>>
>>PCC agrees with me (i.e. no typo in my calculation here) and I have no
>>evidence that it's wrong.
>
> -4 is also wrong
> WinPlan and Tim result say that is -3

Winplan uses this formula
lv034E% = (1000 - Sqr(gv0352.field0604&) - gv0352.field05E4% * 85
- (gv0352.field0554% + gv0352.field054C%) \ 2
- (10 - gv0352.field05FC%) * 50) \ 100
(at least, that's what my disassembler says), which is the same as mine,
if you substitute the proper values for the field0815%. The 1000 and the
"-(10...)*50" cancel out each other to yield 500.

My copy of Winplan doesn't display numerical happiness change.

>>>if(p->GetNativeGov() == AVIANS) bonus = 10;
>>>double a = 500 + 50 * ((double)SPI[p->GetNativeGoverment()]/100);
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>No need to index through the array. Use the Native Government value as-is.
>
> No i cant, if u put there like 140 happyness is way too high, and my program
> tax them to riot.

It must be 'double a = 500 + 50 * p->GetNativeGovernment()'. No need to
compute a percentage. If you multiply by 1.4, as you seem to do, you get
a change of -7, not -3 (which happens to yield a difference of -4 i.e.
my value, in case that rings a bell

>>>And i've noticed when some planets are mined to the end, same tax give
>>>more penalty ?
>>
>>Just because planets that are mined out usually have a high number of
>>mines.
>
> No i dont do that mistake on games
> I got my universal own economy plans.

Then, native population also gives a penalty. The higher the population,
the higher the sqrt(native pop) term, the lower your happiness change.

While we are at it, this is the PHost formula:
Int16 lChange;
lChange = 5 + (double)PlanetNatGovm(pPlanet)/2
- sqrt((double)PlanetNativePopulation(pPlanet)/1000000.0)
-
(double)(PlanetMines(pPlanet)+PlanetFactories(pPlanet))/200
- (double)PlanetNatTax(pPlanet)*0.85;

if (PlanetNatType(pPlanet) EQ Avian) {
lChange += 10;
}
return lChange;
which is substantially identical to the HOST formula (except that it
does not truncate (Mi+Fa)/2).


Stefan
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

Hi,

> + remark dFens post ?
> They change that formula aswell

Where in the given formulas do you see a term that contains the number
of defence posts? Also in my limited experience there shouldn't be any
influence.

Or are you saying, that the happyness - changes in a game of yours, now
that you ONLY increased the number of defence posts, is different than
before? Then it will be neccessary to have the detailed version
information of the host you are using.

Regards,
Ingo
--
Ingo von Borstel <newsgroups.RemoveThis@planetmaker.de>
Public Key: http://www.planetmaker.de/ingo.asc

If you need an urgent reply, replace newsgroups by vgap.
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

"Stefan Reuther"
>> -4 is also wrong
>> WinPlan and Tim result say that is -3
>
> Winplan uses this formula
> lv034E% = (1000 - Sqr(gv0352.field0604&) - gv0352.field05E4% * 85
> - (gv0352.field0554% + gv0352.field054C%) \ 2
> - (10 - gv0352.field05FC%) * 50) \ 100
> (at least, that's what my disassembler says), which is the same as mine,
> if you substitute the proper values for the field0815%. The 1000 and the
> "-(10...)*50" cancel out each other to yield 500.
>
> My copy of Winplan doesn't display numerical happiness change.

Neither do mine, but i remember what it was, and then run host and look how
mucho it
was dropped

But when i got next more time to look that formula. And i get back to you.

-Toni
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

"Ingo von Borstel" <newsgroups.RemoveThis@planetmaker.de> wrote in message
news:ellrbb$rl0$1@rzcomm2.rz.tu-bs.de...
> Hi,
>
>> + remark dFens post ?
>> They change that formula aswell
>
> Where in the given formulas do you see a term that contains the number
> of defence posts?
Non ?

> Also in my limited experience there shouldn't be any
> influence.
Perhaps i wrote it wrongly im not perfect in drunk(or otherwise).
Just trying to figure out that changing on that happyness.

> Or are you saying, that the happyness - changes in a game of yours, now
> that you ONLY increased the number of defence posts, is different than
> before?
I let u know, with example files. And i dont mean dfens post.
Im not so good in disasembly like that Stefan. So i need to improvise.

> Then it will be neccessary to have the detailed version
> information of the host you are using.
VGA Planets(tm) HOST Program [ Version 3.22.046 ]
Thost it is.

-Toni
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

Hi,

> Neither do mine, but i remember what it was, and then run host and look how
> mucho it
> was dropped

Hu? Without a numerical value you can say how much it dropped?
>
> But when i got next more time to look that formula. And i get back to you.

May I propose to use a client or viewer that displays the happyness in
numbers in order to have a detailed look at the happyness? You can
basically use any non-Tim client for that. As you use Winplan I propose
to use Echoview to check out the happyness.

I still have somehow the feeling, I don't get entirely what you observed
with which programme in detail...

Best regards,
Ingo

--
Ingo von Borstel <newsgroups.RemoveThis@planetmaker.de>
Public Key: http://www.planetmaker.de/ingo.asc

If you need an urgent reply, replace newsgroups by vgap.
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

>> Neither do mine, but i remember what it was, and then run host and look
>> how
>> mucho it
>> was dropped
>
> Hu? Without a numerical value you can say how much it dropped?
Plz go your vga-planets(winplan) your 'planets' screen
find where there is said "Natives are" or "Colonist are" and click colored
text on its right side
it that text turn up to number or go 'buildings' screen and next to tax bar
is happiness value ?
That number enought for me. (set tax -> make trn -> run host -> unpack turn
look that value again
in most cases it has been changed).

>> But when i got next more time to look that formula. And i get back to
>> you.
>
> May I propose to use a client or viewer that displays the happyness in
> numbers in order to have a detailed look at the happyness? You can
> basically use any non-Tim client for that. As you use Winplan I propose
> to use Echoview to check out the happyness.
Ofcourse you can propose, but i want to make program, that i dont need to
manualy
check all my taxes and happyness values.

> I still have somehow the feeling, I don't get entirely what you observed
> with which programme in detail...
I've played only Thost games, with latest host and latest winplan.

-Toni
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation 

Ingo von Borstel wrote:
>>Neither do mine, but i remember what it was, and then run host and look how
>>mucho it
>>was dropped
>
> Hu? Without a numerical value you can say how much it dropped?

Winplan does display numerical happiness. It does not display numerical
*change*. So it will tell you that your natives are happy-99, but not
whether this "like your leadership" is a +1 or +4.


Stefan
 >> Stay informed about: Happyness calculation